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[David Diablo]

Well what do you call this Manju. Maybe now you can explain why you bothered to send this, since you ignored my reply on XBL and the comment on your wall...

[ManRightChea]

So dramatic, I can't take it.

Modifié par ManRightChea, 30 octobre 2013 - 01:46 .

[David Diablo]

ManRightChea wrote...

So dramatic, I can't take it.

The suspense of the whole situation...

[IllusiveManJr]

I wanted to PM you to set up some matches but I can't PM anyone here anymore for some reason. And I didn't see your reply on LIVE.

[David Diablo]

IllusiveManJr wrote...

I wanted to PM you to set up some matches but I can't PM anyone here anymore for some reason. And I didn't see your reply on LIVE.

Sigh... Not that I care, but that still doesn't explain the fact you ignored my comment on your comment wall. Also, you can only PM someone if they're on your friends list.

[ClydeInTheShell]

What's this about now?

Score is all that matters. /thread

[chcknwng]

ClydeInTheShell wrote...

What's this about now?

Score is all that matters. /thread

Need to add badge in signature to complete the douchebagery

[ClydeInTheShell]

wngmv wrote...

ClydeInTheShell wrote...

What's this about now?

Score is all that matters. /thread

Need to add badge in signature to complete the douchebagery

I thought you said badge is a crutch?

[chcknwng]

ClydeInTheShell wrote...

wngmv wrote...

ClydeInTheShell wrote...

What's this about now?

Score is all that matters. /thread

Need to add badge in signature to complete the douchebagery

I thought you said badge is a crutch?

But it shows you are a douchebag.

[Dr. Tim Whatley]

prostheticlimbs wrote...

He made some accurate observations. Can't have that.

Link?

[LuckyBullet95]

XFG-65 wrote...

NuclearTech76 wrote...

XFG-65 wrote...

No it hasn't. I love the scoreboard. Whether I'm in 4th place with less than 100k points or in 1st place with over 350k points, the scoreboard never lies. It tells you how good you are at the game. If you're consistently breaking 200k in score, then you're good.

It does. I can outscore better players than myself but spamming snap cheese a whole match if they have detonating powers. Or I can spam Cain Mines and never give anyone even a sliver of a chance to kill much of anything. Most of the time the scoreboard is pretty accurate though but the scoring is pretty ridiculous. Mooks always account for more points, kills always give more credit no matter who did most of the damage, primers and detonators are completely screwy as far as scoring.

I didn't know about this. But you're referring to very specific situations here. You won't alwys be in a position where all you have to do is spam a priming power on everything in order to get a high score. The opportunity only presents itself occasionally. I really don't understand why there's such a huge fuss over score. Surely someone who scores 200k must have played better than someone who scores below 100k, right? And it makes you a better player if you can consistently outscore the people you play with. Key word here is consistency.

Not neccessarily no. You can easily score 200k a game by missiling triple boss spawns without even firing your gun or using a power. You can also easily score 200k by using the more powerful/overpowered kits in the game. it doesn't mean you were a better player than the other guy just because he used a Volus Adept and didn't missile. Sure Sub-100k is terrible in U/U/P regardless of kit when it comes to discussion as to whether or not a player is good or great but a guy using a Volus w/o missiling is not going to outscore a guy using a TGI who is missiling. The Volus could have:

1) Been constantly reviving the TGI who kept on being downed due to his recklessness.
2) Been focussing more heavily on objectives.
3) Primarily working on blocking spawns rather than hitting them, doesn't mean he's camping just that he is blocking say, the nook spawn to force a basement spawn on Glacier that the TGI is hitting first.

And even generally speaking a TGI player scoring 200k is not better than VolMerc scoring 130k. The TGI had the second highest damage output in the game with weaponry which is the key to steamrolling Platinum and the VolMerc had... enough toys to score a fair dozen thousand out of assists for staggering...

Another thing, regarding the cain mine spammage: I've played with a couple of players who are extremely good at using the Talon mercenary and they end up with huge scores. Not the case for me. I've tried to use this character and I've never been able to replicate what they do. You make it sound equivalent to using flamer on bronze on Glacier. But that's not the case. Cain mine spamamge can be very tough (for me) on certain maps on platinum, because that character is extremely squishy. You make it sound way too easy.

You're not trying hard enough. Any decent Platinum player is perfectly capable of replicating Cain Mine Spam. You won't neccessarily need one of the two arrow powers so you could invest in Fitness (not that it's worth too much given that you only get 35% health iirc) and failing that you could take Cyclonic Mods if you were still struggling. The overall damage increase from Power Amp isn't exactly the maker of Cain-Spam, just makes it more potent. As long as you can consistantly spam spawns then you should be getting almost every single exp bonus in the game outside of comboing. It's why the class scores so high, so consistantly. The only problem you might have when trying to replicate it is on some of the bigger, more open maps. London springs to mind as one that you might struggle with, but even then you can predict spawns and try and force spawns either up top or behind either of the two centre crates. You won't always score 300k with it on the larger maps but you will still likely get top of the scoreboard.

[megabeast37215]

This thread does not deliver.

OMG Hoochie... That gif is hilarious!

Modifié par megabeast37215, 30 octobre 2013 - 03:38 .

[ManRightChea]

XFG-65 wrote...

NuclearTech76 wrote...

XFG-65 wrote...

No it hasn't. I love the scoreboard. Whether I'm in 4th place with less than 100k points or in 1st place with over 350k points, the scoreboard never lies. It tells you how good you are at the game. If you're consistently breaking 200k in score, then you're good.

It does. I can outscore better players than myself but spamming snap cheese a whole match if they have detonating powers. Or I can spam Cain Mines and never give anyone even a sliver of a chance to kill much of anything. Most of the time the scoreboard is pretty accurate though but the scoring is pretty ridiculous. Mooks always account for more points, kills always give more credit no matter who did most of the damage, primers and detonators are completely screwy as far as scoring.

I didn't know about this. But you're referring to very specific situations here. You won't alwys be in a position where all you have to do is spam a priming power on everything in order to get a high score. The opportunity only presents itself occasionally. I really don't understand why there's such a huge fuss over score. Surely someone who scores 200k must have played better than someone who scores below 100k, right? And it makes you a better player if you can consistently outscore the people you play with. Key word here is consistency.

Another thing, regarding the cain mine spammage: I've played with a couple of players who are extremely good at using the Talon mercenary and they end up with huge scores. Not the case for me. I've tried to use this character and I've never been able to replicate what they do. You make it sound equivalent to using flamer on bronze on Glacier. But that's not the case. Cain mine spamamge can be very tough (for me) on certain maps on platinum, because that character is extremely squishy. You make it sound way too easy.

I agree with LuckyBullet. Getting high scores consistently on Gold an Plat is overall too ambiguous to directly tie high scores to any sort of skill. Usually a drastically higher score than your teammates means either you intentionally seek to play with newer or lesser skilled players to artifically boost score totals, you tend to favor the highest DPS classes/weapons, you are the type of player that will ignore objectives or play like a douchebag to ensure top score. What I mean by play like a douche is that you are the type of player that like to try to block another players fire if they are out DPSing you, only only start nuking spawns when you aren't winning by effort, you ignore objectives while your team does them so you can keep killing etc.  

Anyone can nuke spawns to get top score, and most any player can loadout with ACV and do the same thing. I have had people leave lobbies when they spot level X URs. I have had players intentionally try to block my weapons or powers to make sure I did not earn the kill.  I have had players ignore objectives etc when they start falling behind.  Most of these players love to wait for their team to wear down enemies, intentionally not firing until they know they can get credit for the kill etc. Honestly players like these are not skilled, they are ****s.

Modifié par ManRightChea, 30 octobre 2013 - 04:38 .

[Wizard of Ox]

Kill stealing is back! That being said, we all know what Kook's about so ignore his BS.

[ManRightChea]

The GI tends to be the class of choice for the douchebag populace of ME3. In truth, Infiltrators are in my opinion the least skillful classes on ME.

[megabeast37215]

ManRightChea wrote...

The GI tends to be the class of choice for the douchebag populace of ME3. In truth, Infiltrators are in my opinion the least skillful classes on ME.

I'd argue Flamer classes are far more brain dead. 

[IllusiveManJr]

megabeast37215 wrote...

ManRightChea wrote...

The GI tends to be the class of choice for the douchebag populace of ME3. In truth, Infiltrators are in my opinion the least skillful classes on ME.

I'd argue Flamer classes are far more brain dead. 

Destroyer w/Striker missile glitching 

[ManRightChea]

megabeast37215 wrote...

ManRightChea wrote...

The GI tends to be the class of choice for the douchebag populace of ME3. In truth, Infiltrators are in my opinion the least skillful classes on ME.

I'd argue Flamer classes are far more brain dead. 

Flamer is more brain dead but there are more Infiltrators than Flamer classes. The douchebags of ME can't rely on Flamer as many weapons will out DPS it.  So sad.

[DcIhNaGv3z]

ManRightChea wrote...

The GI tends to be the class of choice for the douchebag populace of ME3. In truth, Infiltrators are in my opinion the least skillful classes on ME.

I wonder if the scoreboard was not there, and you never knew you were being outscored by an infiltrator, if you would still hold such a negative opinion.

Personally, I play kits that I have fun with, and dont care what other people consider skillful/OP/Crutch/Cheese.

Modifié par DcIhNaGv3z, 30 octobre 2013 - 07:15 .

[GordianKnot42]

I never look at the scoreboard, so I wouldn't know.

But as for sickening player bases, as much as I adored the game, Red Dead Redemption players tended to be awful. I've only gotten 2 or 3 creepy messages from ME players. Red Dead free roam was like an exercise in tolerating verbal abuse over the mic.

[GordianKnot42]

DcIhNaGv3z wrote...

Personally, I play kits that I have fun with, and dont care what other people consider skillful/OP/Crutch/Cheese.

[ManRightChea]

DcIhNaGv3z wrote...

ManRightChea wrote...

The GI tends to be the class of choice for the douchebag populace of ME3. In truth, Infiltrators are in my opinion the least skillful classes on ME.

I wonder if the scoreboard was not there, and you never knew you were being outscored by an infiltrator, if you would still hold such a negative option.

Personally, I play kits that I have fun with, and dont care what other people consider skillful/OP/Crutch/Cheese.

To be honest, a large part of why I consider the GI to be the douchebag class extradonaire is simply that with the right weapons, he can essentially undermine the entire team.  GI, with Hurricane X, debuff and tac cloak bonus as well? Good luck killing much. The way I see it, I could slap my Hurricane X on the class with some SMG amps etc and do the same thing, but I see it a douchey thing to do.  Just because you can potentially kill everything imo is not a justification for doing so.  Unless on Plat, then those that need every kill just to have it come off as douchey to me.  I know people are usually quite selfish so it doesn't surprise me, but I guess I am not that kind of guy. 

If score matters that much, do a solo.  Its always the class someone switches too when they happen to be outscored the game before and have to redeem themselves to salvage their precious ego.  Infitrators in general just are not that skillful, but that is my opinion.

I am more impressed by something like this,   or maybe this www.youtube.com/watch

Using what some may consider mid tier and surpassing more capable classes. 

Modifié par ManRightChea, 30 octobre 2013 - 05:34 .

[ClydeInTheShell]

The score matters to people who don't realize that it doesn't measure your skill. If you play long enough, you'll realize that you can play a great game and be in last place, or not play so great and be in first place. Everybody gets the same amount of credits and XP at the end, so the only thing that's important is getting to extraction, regardless of who gets the highest point total.

As for the whole cheese/OP/crutch kits argument, play what you enjoy and don't let anyone tell you differently.

[ManRightChea]

ClydeInTheShell wrote...

The score matters to people who don't realize that it doesn't measure your skill. If you play long enough, you'll realize that you can play a great game and be in last place, or not play so great and be in first place. Everybody gets the same amount of credits and XP at the end, so the only thing that's important is getting to extraction, regardless of who gets the highest point total.

As for the whole cheese/OP/crutch kits argument, play what you enjoy and don't let anyone tell you differently.

Agreed friend. I have always kind of wondered, if ME3 is kind of a bastion for those that don't really excel at PvP competitive games such as fighters or shooters, even Starcraft etc? I guess the reason I find it interesting is that when you actually do play competitive mediums its kind of hard not to laugh at how important score is to some on a game like this.