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[Wizard of Ox]

ManRightChea wrote...

I am more impressed by something like this,   or maybe this www.youtube.com/watch

Using what some may consider mid tier and surpassing more capable classes. 

The Drell Adept is nowhere near mid tier, whatever weapon you choose to equip him with. And the KroSent is a powerhouse. xcal's a beast, no doubt about that, but that doesn't make the Drell mid tier. 

[Heldarion]

People who kick ass with GI kick ass without it too.

If you're getting outscored by a scrubby GI user it's because you're bad.

[NuclearTech76]

Heldarion wrote...

People who kick ass with GI kick ass without it too.

If you're getting outscored by a scrubby GI user it's because you're bad.

Not nessarily. I thiink the GI is the kit everyone should start with when learning to play the game though. It just helps see what is going on so much better than some other kits. You can see spawn points, enemy movements, notice patterns in the AI.

[ManRightChea]

KroGan_eRRanT wrote...

ManRightChea wrote...

I am more impressed by something like this,   or maybe this www.youtube.com/watch

Using what some may consider mid tier and surpassing more capable classes. 

The Drell Adept is nowhere near mid tier, whatever weapon you choose to equip him with. And the KroSent is a powerhouse. xcal's a beast, no doubt about that, but that doesn't make the Drell mid tier. 

Every kit is viable, yes. Thing is those kits are relatively mild compared to many kits on the game. I also like when someone can top score via effort and not just missiles.   BSN just seems to be hypocritical when it comes to score.  The BSN official stance is "Score doesn't matter, that's why we love to brag about it".

@Heldarion, Not sure what rings you run in, but the idea of a scrubby GI is pretty far fetched.  All things being equal, say gold wep to gold, UR to UR etc, gun to gun, the class itself is just capable of more DPS. Nothing particularly special about it. 

Like I said, it is just funny to me the mindset of some ME players. 

[Silvershroud]

ClydeInTheShell wrote...

The score matters to people who don't realize that it doesn't measure your skill. If you play long enough, you'll realize that you can play a great game and be in last place, or not play so great and be in first place. Everybody gets the same amount of credits and XP at the end, so the only thing that's important is getting to extraction, regardless of who gets the highest point total.

As for the whole cheese/OP/crutch kits argument, play what you enjoy and don't let anyone tell you differently.

Agreed, on all points.  Especially the play what you enjoy bit.

As for scoring first despite not playing well, I just played a gold/condor/geth game as a QFI with 3 TGIs.  I topped the score by quite a bit (which is a first for me).  I only died twice the entire match.  Despite that, I felt like it was one of my worst games.  Yeah, I scored well, but I got cut off from most objectives - Escort?  First I have to get through the enemy spawns that are between me and it.  I didn't get to the escort until it was almost done.  Same for the hack.  I didn't take a single shot at the targets.  When other players went down, I was only once able to get to one for a revive.

So basicaly I topped the score because I was useless to the team.  In my opinion, I was the worst player in that match.

[Cyonan]

ManRightChea wrote...

Not sure what rings you run in, but the idea of a scrubby GI is pretty far fetched.  All things being equal, say gold wep to gold, UR to UR etc, gun to gun, the class itself is just capable of more DPS. Nothing particularly special about it. 

A scrubby GI is not at all far fetched. You should try playing more pugs.

Somebody who isn't a good player will spend most of their time on the ground as a GI.

Also, on Gold I would take a grenade spammer over a GI any day.

[Doni]

A bit hyperbolic, but I do agree the scoreboard has only really had a negative impact on ME3.

It's a cooperative game, there's no need for a scoreboard. It just encourages (from what I've seen) mostly unfriendly competition between players, and tends to make these players forget that it's a game about shooting predictable enemy bots.

Modifié par Scruffaluphagus, 30 octobre 2013 - 06:17 .

[ManRightChea]

Cyonan wrote...


A scrubby GI is not at all far fetched. You should try playing more pugs.

Somebody who isn't a good player will spend most of their time on the ground as a GI.

Also, on Gold I would take a grenade spammer over a GI any day.

Any and all characters can be played poorly, but what does that have to do with the kit? I will relate this to something like say fighting games, which have clearly defined techniques such as ambiguous crossups, parry, charge partitioning, as well as established tiers. You can awesome skill with a lower tier fighter, yet still be outclassed at a competitive outing, as there are many other very skilled players that choose to use the higher tier choice. There is not right or wrong, but some fighters are simply more capable than others.

@Scruff, I kind of see it in that light too. There exists no competitive circuit for ME3, no predetermined loadouts, no PvP etc. Basically in ME3, skill is not black and white, but totally subjective. There isn't really a measure. Its just not a competitive game, I find it interesting people can find that sort of satisfaction in it.  I guess I just see it differently as a Gears, and fighting game player. 

Modifié par ManRightChea, 30 octobre 2013 - 06:31 .

[Wizard of Ox]

ManRightChea wrote...

KroGan_eRRanT wrote...

ManRightChea wrote...

I am more impressed by something like this,   or maybe this www.youtube.com/watch

Using what some may consider mid tier and surpassing more capable classes. 

The Drell Adept is nowhere near mid tier, whatever weapon you choose to equip him with. And the KroSent is a powerhouse. xcal's a beast, no doubt about that, but that doesn't make the Drell mid tier. 

Every kit is viable, yes. Thing is those kits are relatively mild compared to many kits on the game. I also like when someone can top score via effort and not just missiles. BSN just seems to be hypocritical when it comes to score.  The BSN official stance is "Score doesn't matter, that's why we love to brag about it".

The Drell Adept is top tier not just viable and so is the Krogan Sentinel. I prefer both those kits to the GI. Although I get your point and somewhat agree with it, in my experience, most BSNers don't brag about score and don't resort to nukes or scorewh*ring just to inflate theirs. That being said, quite a few people here like to wave their e-peens (sometimes completely unworthily). Please, don't put everyone in the same basket. 

[ManRightChea]

The Drell Adept is top tier not just viable and so is the Krogan Sentinel. I prefer both those kits to the GI. Although I get your point and somewhat agree with it, in my experience, most BSNers don't brag about score and don't resort to nukes or scorewh*ring just to inflate theirs. That being said, quite a few people here like to wave their e-peens (sometimes completely unworthily). Please, don't put everyone in the same basket.

Fair enough, I do agree with you for the most part.  The Krogan Sent video was more in relation to taking that character, full melee spec and topping score on a map like London vs Reapers. I can respect that more than doing the same with a TGI or GI, Geth trooper etc. 

I do find it funny how though on the BSN ME3 MP boards, score doesn't matter, yet so many brag about top score. 

Modifié par ManRightChea, 30 octobre 2013 - 06:41 .

[Excella Gionne]

Will GI be ruined without Proxy Mine? I remember running GI without for a long time until I decided to go for the 6/5/6/63 build.

[Cyonan]

ManRightChea wrote...
Any and all characters can be played poorly, but what does that have to do with the kit? I will relate this to something like say fighting games, which have clearly defined techniques such as ambiguous crossups, parry, charge partitioning, as well as established tiers. You can awesome skill with a lower tier fighter, yet still be outclassed at a competitive outing, as there are many other very skilled players that choose to use the higher tier choice. There is not right or wrong, but some fighters are simply more capable than others.

It has nothing to do with the kit, but you said "the idea of a scrubby GI is pretty far fetched". It's not because you as you just said, any character can be played poorly which makes them a scrubby GI.

As far as gold is concerned, I wouldn't even say the GI is particularly more capable of a fighter than the other kits. As I said before, I think that a grenade spammer out performs a GI.

[LordDavias]

I have no problem admitting I have had, and will have again some pretty awful rounds on the GI. It's not just a glass canon, it's also a class, if sniping, that requires you to spend a certain amount of time focusing your vision to a small spot.

Combine low survivability with decreased awareness (even with see thru walls mode - which basically blinds me to the damn objective ) and throw in a slice of off-host lag, and u have urself a bad time on your hands. Once Tac Cloak is down and ur retreat didn't take u anywhere good, that's also a fun time

Any class that requires instant reaction on Shield Gate is gonna get hosed off-host, esp on bad pings.

[ManRightChea]

Cyonan wrote...

It has nothing to do with the kit, but you said "the idea of a scrubby GI is pretty far fetched". It's not because you as you just said, any character can be played poorly which makes them a scrubby GI.

As far as gold is concerned, I wouldn't even say the GI is particularly more capable of a fighter than the other kits. As I said before, I think that a grenade spammer out performs a GI.

I see what you mean, also have to agree about the nade spam, especially inferno nades lol.  Perhaps it is just skillful execution 

[Wizard of Ox]

ManRightChea wrote...

The Drell Adept is top tier not just viable and so is the Krogan Sentinel. I prefer both those kits to the GI. Although I get your point and somewhat agree with it, in my experience, most BSNers don't brag about score and don't resort to nukes or scorewh*ring just to inflate theirs. That being said, quite a few people here like to wave their e-peens (sometimes completely unworthily). Please, don't put everyone in the same basket.

Fair enough, I do agree with you for the most part.  The Krogan Sent video was more in relation to taking that character, full melee spec and topping score on a map like London vs Reapers. I can respect that more than doing the same with a TGI or GI, Geth trooper etc. 

I do find it funny how though on the BSN ME3 MP boards, score doesn't matter, yet so many brag about top score. 

Agreed. And that not liking wave 11 nukes makes you a scorewh*re. 

[ManRightChea]

I fear I may have turned this thread from a totally overdramatic lol thread into interesting and insightful debate. NOOOOOO!  OP should hang out with me a few days and run some competitive Gears, that community makes these boards seem like Utopia lol.

Modifié par ManRightChea, 30 octobre 2013 - 06:57 .

[IllusiveManJr]

Insightful? No. Popcorn worthy? Definitely.

[ChrisLupton]

NuclearTech76 wrote...
Not nessarily. I thiink the GI is the kit everyone should start with when learning to play the game though. It just helps see what is going on so much better than some other kits. You can see spawn points, enemy movements, notice patterns in the AI. 

Pity it's a rare kit then. I'm 400+ hours in and I still haven't unlocked it. 

[Striker93175]

[INVADERONE]

No other illustration details this exactly. Best ME3 reference ever.

Striker93175 wrote...

[GordianKnot42]

You win the internet.

Striker93175 wrote...

[Rotward]

OniGanon wrote...

Call of Duty? XBL? League of Legends? ...Second Life?

I love how the name implies that players have 'first' lives. 

[cronshaw]

score only matters if I come in first

[Creator Limbs]

modok8 wrote...

score only matters if I come in first

[bondiboy]

prostheticlimbs wrote...

modok8 wrote...

score only matters if I come in first

When I carry PUGS through a game I want them to know just how much they got carried
edit. Not sure why I quoted the above posters.....

Modifié par stricko, 31 octobre 2013 - 04:59 .