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[OrcWhisperer]

VaultingFrog wrote...

Fortack wrote...

VaultingFrog wrote...

Fun is subjective.

On a personal level it is; generally speaking not so much.

How does one generalize a personal perspective to apply to a multitude of people?

Generally people like roller coasters, or else no one would build them, since no one is in business to lose money.  But some people personally find them to cause nausea and vomiting.  I once personally witnessed someone generally vomiting all over their rollercoaster car.

[VaultingFrog]

OrcWhisperer wrote...

VaultingFrog wrote...

Fortack wrote...

VaultingFrog wrote...

Fun is subjective.

On a personal level it is; generally speaking not so much.

How does one generalize a personal perspective to apply to a multitude of people?

Generally people like roller coasters, or else no one would build them, since no one is in business to lose money.  But some people personally find them to cause nausea and vomiting.  I once personally witnessed someone generally vomiting all over their rollercoaster car.

The problem is that your attempting to take an individuals personal perspective and apply it to other people. That just does not work.

People like or dislike things for different reasons. Some times they overlap however they tend to overlap because of different reasons.

Modifié par VaultingFrog, 30 octobre 2013 - 12:20 .

[Ferocious Panda]

megabeast37215 wrote...

HoochieHamiltoe wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

Fortack wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

I don't get why the pro-plat crowd won't admit that all it takes to crush Plat is a powerful weapon and the ability to aim it accurately out of right hand advantage. They're fooling themselves if they think it's way harder than Gold... in reality it's only just a little bit harder.

You can argue that Gold actually is harder than Platinum when factoring in playstyle. Going rambo on Gold, using a stupid build with a crappy gun, and meleeing all things is a lot harder than standing (safely) behind a wall gunning everything down from a distance on Platinum.

Also true... But you won't get the pro plat crowd to acknowledge that bc using melee and crap guns isn't 'optimal'.. therefore they can't even fathom doing it.. even if it is quite a bit more challenging than standing behind a right hand advantage corner, shooting their chosen Winfiltrator weapon and/or spamming grenades.

Gold with a melee Human Adept using a Disciple w/ Omniblade AND actually going for melee kills/playstyle IS more difficult than playing Plat with... Let's say... A Salarian Infiltrator with a Black Widow, or a TGI Harrier. It also takes more finesse bc you need to excercise great crowd control to close the gap for Human Adept melee so you don't get downed. Yet... Somehow... Spamming Flamer and shooting a Acolyte/Hurrdurrcane with a lolGeth Trooper somehow takes 'mad MLG 1337 skillz'. 

I don't get it... If plat players want a 'challenge'... Simply stop equipping top tier kits/weapons/builds, and FFS stop using cheese as your answer to a deficient kit. You will get much more challenge and overall mileage out of the game. 

I'm not trying to tell folks how to play the game either, I'm suggesting viable alternatives towards the hunt for 'challenge' other than playing boss spam. Late waves in Cerberus Gold with a melee kit takes much more moxy IMO, dancing in close quarters with 3 Phantoms and a Goon, crowd controlling them with a Falcon/Disciple while smashing their faces... Or you can hide behind a corner and shoot your Harrier.

Not all of us use OP kits on Platinum. I can comfortably take any kit and do well without the cheese.

Of course you can... So can I... But then you and I both are going to take a weapon to make up for the kits DPS deficiency, thus reducing variety in build/kit/weapon selection. 

Are you going take a Volus Vanguard into Plat with a Tempest/Falcon/Carnifex/Disciple melee setup, or are you going to take a Wraith/Reegar/Hurricane/Talon/etc.?

-complains about OP stuff
-6/6/6/6/6's all of his characters

[Supreme Leech]

Ferocious Panda wrote...

-complains about OP stuff
-6/6/6/6/6's all of his characters

lol

megascrub

[Manbearpig]

XFG-65 wrote...

Ferocious Panda wrote...

-complains about OP stuff
-6/6/6/6/6's all of his characters

lol

megascrub

Now the arguments about who is more legit at a coop game that can be broken in more ways than you can count will begin.

Modifié par Notorious P I G, 30 octobre 2013 - 01:00 .

[megabeast37215]

IamZAE wrote...

Plays gold
Plays gold with crutch friends
Plays gold with crutch friends and fat internet females
Plays gold with crutch friends and fat internet females with stupid melee builds
Plays gold with crutch friends and fat internet females with stupid melee builds that are 66666 glitch

Reported.

[megabeast37215]

Ferocious Panda wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

HoochieHamiltoe wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

Fortack wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

I don't get why the pro-plat crowd won't admit that all it takes to crush Plat is a powerful weapon and the ability to aim it accurately out of right hand advantage. They're fooling themselves if they think it's way harder than Gold... in reality it's only just a little bit harder.

You can argue that Gold actually is harder than Platinum when factoring in playstyle. Going rambo on Gold, using a stupid build with a crappy gun, and meleeing all things is a lot harder than standing (safely) behind a wall gunning everything down from a distance on Platinum.

Also true... But you won't get the pro plat crowd to acknowledge that bc using melee and crap guns isn't 'optimal'.. therefore they can't even fathom doing it.. even if it is quite a bit more challenging than standing behind a right hand advantage corner, shooting their chosen Winfiltrator weapon and/or spamming grenades.

Gold with a melee Human Adept using a Disciple w/ Omniblade AND actually going for melee kills/playstyle IS more difficult than playing Plat with... Let's say... A Salarian Infiltrator with a Black Widow, or a TGI Harrier. It also takes more finesse bc you need to excercise great crowd control to close the gap for Human Adept melee so you don't get downed. Yet... Somehow... Spamming Flamer and shooting a Acolyte/Hurrdurrcane with a lolGeth Trooper somehow takes 'mad MLG 1337 skillz'. 

I don't get it... If plat players want a 'challenge'... Simply stop equipping top tier kits/weapons/builds, and FFS stop using cheese as your answer to a deficient kit. You will get much more challenge and overall mileage out of the game. 

I'm not trying to tell folks how to play the game either, I'm suggesting viable alternatives towards the hunt for 'challenge' other than playing boss spam. Late waves in Cerberus Gold with a melee kit takes much more moxy IMO, dancing in close quarters with 3 Phantoms and a Goon, crowd controlling them with a Falcon/Disciple while smashing their faces... Or you can hide behind a corner and shoot your Harrier.

Not all of us use OP kits on Platinum. I can comfortably take any kit and do well without the cheese.

Of course you can... So can I... But then you and I both are going to take a weapon to make up for the kits DPS deficiency, thus reducing variety in build/kit/weapon selection. 

Are you going take a Volus Vanguard into Plat with a Tempest/Falcon/Carnifex/Disciple melee setup, or are you going to take a Wraith/Reegar/Hurricane/Talon/etc.?

-complains about OP stuff
-6/6/6/6/6's all of his characters

Complains about 6/6/6/6/6, says incendiary glitching is legit though, makes thread about it on BSN, gets head ripped off by BSN for audacious, ignorant hypocrisy, makes Megabeast's day... Lolz 

[Kel Riever]

I take a volus merc with no fitness and maybe a predator into platinum because:

1. I want to show what volus would play like according to lore. In other words, mostly dead on the ground.

2. It is the only 3 decoy character in the game (the actual decoy, the drone, and the volus itself!)

3. To hear the rage.

[Caineghis2500]

I prefer platinum over gold. UUP to be exact. I find it more challenging and fun. The meaning of fun can vary amongst individuals. Some prefer gold because it's more easy going-one faction with minimal boss spam-more freedom to run around and dominate nook spawns(which is highly dependent on ones own level of ability because others can do the same on platinum)-some like to focus more on pleasant conversations with friends than focus on multiple faction bosses coming at them from all sides etc etc etc..... I tend to do all of the above with disciple,zae and other friends in platinum lobbies just like any other gold lobby. I personally like boss spam of different factions in my face. I find it fun testing different builds on platinum and make them work along with like-minded people. Platinum isn't hard or annoying for me or those play I with. We carry normal and fun conversations and still kill things like nothing just like gold. There's not much things to kill in gold anyways. Just my opinion though

Modifié par caineghis2500, 30 octobre 2013 - 01:49 .

[IamZAE]

megabeast37215 wrote...

IamZAE wrote...

Plays gold
h

Reported.

Reported for making a false report.

Modifié par BioWareMod03, 30 octobre 2013 - 06:23 .

[Manbearpig]

IamZAE wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

IamZAE wrote...

Plays gold

Reported.

Reported for making a false report.

reported for exessive use of report function

Modifié par BioWareMod03, 30 octobre 2013 - 06:23 .

[Moby]

Please no.

[Deerber]

ManRightChea wrote...

If Gold was really equally/more challenging then Plat, more than 3% of players would play Plat difficulty. Why would someone play an equally challenging difficulty for less credits? Actions speak louder than words, if Plat is so easy it would have more players, period. Its easy to talk a good game, especially while playing a difficulty where one can play like a buffoon and still do just fine.

Hell most casual Gold players do all they can to avoid Collectors much less want to tackle Plat games. How can Gold be far more relaxed as so many have said, yet just as challenging? Total contradiction.

Because is simply *much* better designed than platinum, as easy as that.

Also you know... There are people who don't play this game for virtual credits. There are people who play this game for the same reason they play any game: to have fun. I know it's probably hard for your little brain to grasp, but I assure you that some do. Actually, I would argue that most people do...

Modifié par Deerber, 30 octobre 2013 - 11:13 .

[Creator Limbs]

wngmv wrote...

NuclearTech76 wrote...

Geek Fest wrote...

The thing is we have completely broken the game to the point where a team with armored compartments can make it through platinum without ever giving the enemy a chance to fight back. Outside of that there are dozens of ways to make the game completely trivial if you want to. The only to way to add challenge into the mix is to reduce the number of players, play with bad pugs, or use less than optimal loadouts.

Platinum isn't really much harder than gold. The AI is exactly the same. It just comes down to how hard you decide to make it.

This.

And who is up for farming with me tonight on D3 as a completely other topic? I have figured out how to break that game as well now thanks to the glorious goodies friends have given me.

what's the point of playing that game at all if you decide to dupe/accpeting top tier Legendary/set pieces from friends?

I actually don't mind getting stuff from friends...doesn't ruin the game at all for me, since the only aspect of the game that interests me is fighting things and seeing interesting stuff, as well as leveling up my characters and seeing what works best and how it works.

Farming equipment sounds boring.

[OniGanon]

megabeast37215 wrote...
Complains about 6/6/6/6/6, says incendiary glitching is legit though

Incendiary glitching IS legit.

It was investigated by BioWare, to which they said something to the effect of 'yeah, something weird is indeed going on there. How about that.' And then not one more single frack was given about it.

6/6/6/6/6 is considered cheating. It was a bannable offense, back when they actually bothered banning people.

Maybe it has less impact on the game than incendiary glitch, or indeed many other glitches used and abused in the game, but the fact is it's considered cheating and incediary glitch is considered 'Creative Use of Game Mechanics.'

What is cheating is not determined by magnitude of impact on the game. It's determined by BioWare.

[Maker MEDA]

 Most of the time teammates arent good enough for Plat, so gold is the sweet spot.

But if you lucked out with a quality team Platinum can be a smooth ride.

[NuclearTech76]

OniGanon wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...
Complains about 6/6/6/6/6, says incendiary glitching is legit though

Incendiary glitching IS legit.

It was investigated by BioWare, to which they said something to the effect of 'yeah, something weird is indeed going on there. How about that.' And then not one more single frack was given about it.

6/6/6/6/6 is considered cheating. It was a bannable offense, back when they actually bothered banning people.

Maybe it has less impact on the game than incendiary glitch, or indeed many other glitches used and abused in the game, but the fact is it's considered cheating and incediary glitch is considered 'Creative Use of Game Mechanics.'

What is cheating is not determined by magnitude of impact on the game. It's determined by BioWare.

What you say is true however the incendiary glitch has way more benefit than most any 66666 build character. Geth Trooper might be the exception to the rule.

It seems more like Bioware based their rules on the difficulty of fixing their own errors. The 66666 one they didn't even attempt to fix they expect us to do it for them. How many random players that don't post on BSN do you believe has any idea about these rules and gives a single F about them?

[ANDYHUGFAN]

Maker MEDA wrote...

Most of the time teammates arent good enough for Plat, so gold is the sweet spot.

But if you lucked out with a quality team Platinum can be a smooth ride.

I agree. For me it's 50/50 I like to play Gold because it allows me to use more different kits/weapons and a more agressive playstyle (melee builds). I'm not good enough yet to say I can do the same on Platinum. On Platinum difficulty I like to have enemies out of different factions in game and the team synergy. If you play with randoms they tend to bleed out on purpose far more on Gold difficulty than on Platinum, just my experience so far. So if I don't have to clutch waves after waves like in a Gold match today on Jade vs Geth where everybody kissed the floor from wave 5 on and I had to solo every single wave till extraction, then I'm more than happy - because I like teamplay.

[ManRightChea]

Deerber wrote...

ManRightChea wrote...

If Gold was really equally/more challenging then Plat, more than 3% of players would play Plat difficulty. Why would someone play an equally challenging difficulty for less credits? Actions speak louder than words, if Plat is so easy it would have more players, period. Its easy to talk a good game, especially while playing a difficulty where one can play like a buffoon and still do just fine.

Hell most casual Gold players do all they can to avoid Collectors much less want to tackle Plat games. How can Gold be far more relaxed as so many have said, yet just as challenging? Total contradiction.

Because is simply *much* better designed than platinum, as easy as that.

Also you know... There are people who don't play this game for virtual credits. There are people who play this game for the same reason they play any game: to have fun. I know it's probably hard for your little brain to grasp, but I assure you that some do. Actually, I would argue that most people do...

Yeah I know right? Everyone's idea of fun is different. Your idea of fun is to be a rat bastard, we are all different in the end. 

Gold is not equally as challenging as Plat, plain and simple, anyone saying otherwise is a liar.  The people of BSN do not represent the entire population, many of whom do play for creds.

Modifié par ManRightChea, 30 octobre 2013 - 07:52 .

[Arctican]

megabeast37215 wrote...

Fortack wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

I don't get why the pro-plat crowd won't admit that all it takes to crush Plat is a powerful weapon and the ability to aim it accurately out of right hand advantage. They're fooling themselves if they think it's way harder than Gold... in reality it's only just a little bit harder.

You can argue that Gold actually is harder than Platinum when factoring in playstyle. Going rambo on Gold, using a stupid build with a crappy gun, and meleeing all things is a lot harder than standing (safely) behind a wall gunning everything down from a distance on Platinum.

Also true... But you won't get the pro plat crowd to acknowledge that bc using melee and crap guns isn't 'optimal'.. therefore they can't even fathom doing it.. even if it is quite a bit more challenging than standing behind a right hand advantage corner, shooting their chosen Winfiltrator weapon and/or spamming grenades.

Gold with a melee Human Adept using a Disciple w/ Omniblade AND actually going for melee kills/playstyle IS more difficult than playing Plat with... Let's say... A Salarian Infiltrator with a Black Widow, or a TGI Harrier. It also takes more finesse bc you need to excercise great crowd control to close the gap for Human Adept melee so you don't get downed. Yet... Somehow... Spamming Flamer and shooting a Acolyte/Hurrdurrcane with a lolGeth Trooper somehow takes 'mad MLG 1337 skillz'. 

I don't get it... If plat players want a 'challenge'... Simply stop equipping top tier kits/weapons/builds, and FFS stop using cheese as your answer to a deficient kit. You will get much more challenge and overall mileage out of the game. 

I'm not trying to tell folks how to play the game either, I'm suggesting viable alternatives towards the hunt for 'challenge' other than playing boss spam. Late waves in Cerberus Gold with a melee kit takes much more moxy IMO, dancing in close quarters with 3 Phantoms and a Goon, crowd controlling them with a Falcon/Disciple while smashing their faces... Or you can hide behind a corner and shoot your Harrier.

The argument that Gold is harder than Platinum because of playstyle is a rather misleading argument. One could use the same argument and say Bronze is harder than Gold with that argument. If you're using the exact same loadout, such as the melee Human Adept, you're going to have a harder time on Platinum than on Gold.

A competent team will make any difficulty trivial, especially at this stage of the game where everything is pretty figured out. However, the difference in difficulty comes in PUG, where there is almost 0 chance of failure in extracting on Gold, but a very real chance of not extracting on Platinum. Since PUG is most of what I do if I go online in ME3MP, the challenge is still there.

As for boss spam complaint on Platinum, that's greatly exaggerated. Most waves have at most 2 bosses at all times. Only Collector Wave 10 is a true boss wave spam. The rest are filled with enemies like Hunters, Phantoms, Marauders, Pyroes, etc. These same enemies you'd find in Gold except on Platinum, it's not limited to one faction.

[Wizard of Ox]

Don't mind Deerber. I have heard he can't even DrellGuard properly, what a jerk.

[Deerber]

KroGan_eRRanT wrote...

Don't mind Deerber. I have heard he can't even DrellGuard properly, what a jerk.

[codsquallic]

On Gold, I don't care about the other players, their load outs, and the kit I'm using, or if they are near me or not. On Plat I just want 1-2 other good pugs, or a familiar name, and then It's mostly sitting in one spot, but those times when we can go rambo in plat are the best.

[Fortack]

Arctican wrote...

The argument that Gold is harder than Platinum because of playstyle is a rather misleading argument. One could use the same argument and say Bronze is harder than Gold with that argument. If you're using the exact same loadout, such as the melee Human Adept, you're going to have a harder time on Platinum than on Gold.

A competent team will make any difficulty trivial, especially at this stage of the game where everything is pretty figured out. However, the difference in difficulty comes in PUG, where there is almost 0 chance of failure in extracting on Gold, but a very real chance of not extracting on Platinum. Since PUG is most of what I do if I go online in ME3MP, the challenge is still there.

As for boss spam complaint on Platinum, that's greatly exaggerated. Most waves have at most 2 bosses at all times. Only Collector Wave 10 is a true boss wave spam. The rest are filled with enemies like Hunters, Phantoms, Marauders, Pyroes, etc. These same enemies you'd find in Gold except on Platinum, it's not limited to one faction.

You're likely going to kill more Primes in a Platinum Collector game than in a Gold Geth game. On Gold most waves don't have boss units at all; on Platinum nearly all waves have 2 or more of em. On Gold you can avoid boss units almost completely; on Platinum you're gonna need something to wear those bullet sponges down quickly, one way or another. Sounds a lot like boss spam to me.

A melee Human Adept can kill most (up to 95% of all) enemies (depending on faction) using melee as his or hers primary means of attack - and still do rather well in the hands of a good player. On Platinum this simply doesn't work anywhere near as well as it does on Gold, regardless how good you are.

The real problem (with Platinum) is how it widens the gap between the powerful things and the rest. Using less optimal stuff has a rather small impact on Gold, but becomes huge when you try it on Platinum. I don't mind gimping myself on purpose, but there are limits to how far I am willing to go.

[INVADERONE]

I enjoy both but I do get why some may enjoy Gold more. I would say that Gold is very enjoyable as you can use various kits as opposed to platinum where the builds are different. I use all characters on Platinum but there are Gold builds that I cant really use on Platinum but can on Gold. Gold is the staging ground for all standard and niche kits so I can see why that would be more fun at times.