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[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

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Modifié par BioWareMod01, 29 octobre 2013 - 01:57 .

[CrimsonN7]

Hey where are the white women at?

[Han Shot First]

Osena109 wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

KC_Prototype wrote...

To me, Vivienne looks black and could be the first black character in a DA game.

No. Isabela was black according to Gaider.

No Isabella was revaini like duncan

The people of Rivain are said to have skin tones that range from tan to ebony. So there are black Rivaini.

Isabela and Duncan just happen to fall on the tan end of the spectrum.

[Br3admax]

CrimsonN7 wrote...

Hey where are the white women at?

That's what dafuq I'm wonderin. 

[Kalas747]

Why does everybody have to play as somebody who looks like them? Jade Empire was based on asian culture/history and not once did I ever whine about not playing as a european looking character. WTF?

[dragonflight288]

I couldn't care less about ethnicity one way or another. I'll leave it at that.

[Vit246]

never mind.

Modifié par Vit246, 29 octobre 2013 - 01:24 .

[Am1vf]

Kalas747 wrote...

Why does everybody have to play as somebody who looks like them? Jade Empire was based on asian culture/history and not once did I ever whine about not playing as a european looking character. WTF?

It's because there is a lot of games in which you can play a white character and very few with a black PC.

I have no interest in playing a character who looks like myself, but those who want have much more games to do so if they are white.

[Medhia Nox]

As long as I'm not forced to play an elf *shivers*.

Elves are filthy.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Kalas747 wrote...

Why does everybody have to play as somebody who looks like them? Jade Empire was based on asian culture/history and not once did I ever whine about not playing as a european looking character. WTF?

Your privilege is showing. White characters are considered default, and PoC rarely get the same amount of coverage as white people. To simply say "go play another game" is incredibly insensitive and anti-inclusion, especially since we are talking about the company that strives to be inclusive to all gamers, not just the straight white male.

[Vit246]

Kalas747 wrote...

Why does everybody have to play as somebody who looks like them? Jade Empire was based on asian culture/history and not once did I ever whine about not playing as a european looking character. WTF?

If I understand your question correctly.....

Because Thedas might possibly be more diverse than we thought?

Modifié par Vit246, 29 octobre 2013 - 01:26 .

[Heimdall]

AutumnWitch wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

AutumnWitch wrote...

this guy was in DA2 and is "black" or "african" or whatever you want to call it.

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Cahir

Cahir was Chasind

that doesnt mean he isnt black..GMAB  Not all Fereldens have the same skin tone,

No, but if there are black people in Thedas one might assume that they wouldn't be the barbarian people originating in the damp dark cold forest at the end of the world.

[Kalas747]

Medhia Nox wrote...

As long as I'm not forced to play an elf *shivers*.

Elves are filthy.

Worst opinion possible!  You're dismissed.

[Medhia Nox]

@CrustyBot: It says clearly in "our" handbook that if "we" agree with you - we're expressing what's called "white guilt".

Instead - "we're" supposed to rage against anything and everything that suggests inclusion on the grounds of not having anything to feel "guilty" about.

Note: Sorry for giving away team secrets.

Note 2: Elves are still filthy though! 

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 29 octobre 2013 - 01:31 .

[Am1vf]

Lord Aesir wrote...

AutumnWitch wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

AutumnWitch wrote...

this guy was in DA2 and is "black" or "african" or whatever you want to call it.

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Cahir

Cahir was Chasind

that doesnt mean he isnt black..GMAB  Not all Fereldens have the same skin tone,

No, but if there are black people in Thedas one might assume that they wouldn't be the barbarian people originating in the damp dark cold forest at the end of the world.

Why not? This is not Earth we are talking about. The peoples of thedas could have evolved differently, and that is assuming that there is evolution in the world of Dragon Age.

Even if the chasind's features originally adapted to a warmer enviroment they could have migrated or the weather could have changed drastically since then.

[Heimdall]

CrustyBot wrote...

Kalas747 wrote...

Why does everybody have to play as somebody who looks like them? Jade Empire was based on asian culture/history and not once did I ever whine about not playing as a european looking character. WTF?

Your privilege is showing. White characters are considered default, and PoC rarely get the same amount of coverage as white people. To simply say "go play another game" is incredibly insensitive and anti-inclusion, especially since we are talking about the company that strives to be inclusive to all gamers, not just the straight white male.

While I agree with your principle, I don't think "go play another game" is at all what Kalas was saying.  Kalas was more wondering why people would find it so difficult to enjoy a game just because they didn't share the ethnicity of the protagonist.  Certainly I would agree that I felt no problem playing through Jade Empire despite a lack of white male protagonist.

[Kalas747]

Lord Aesir wrote...

CrustyBot wrote...

Your privilege is showing. White characters are considered default, and PoC rarely get the same amount of coverage as white people. To simply say "go play another game" is incredibly insensitive and anti-inclusion, especially since we are talking about the company that strives to be inclusive to all gamers, not just the straight white male.

While I agree with your principle, I don't think "go play another game" is at all what Kalas was saying.  Kalas was more wondering why people would find it so difficult to enjoy a game just because they didn't share the ethnicity of the protagonist.  Certainly I would agree that I felt no problem playing through Jade Empire despite a lack of white male protagonist.

Thank you sir, my sentiments exactly.

[Gwydden]

I am confused. If Isabella, Duncan, the Inquisitor from the demo aren't black people, what the hell are they? I mean, they certainly strike me more as mediterranean than "black", but is there a number of features a character has to have to be considered as such?

Black is just a color. And in this context, often confused with "brown".

[Heimdall]

Am1_vf wrote...

Why not? This is not Earth we are talking about. The peoples of thedas could have evolved differently, and that is assuming that there is evolution in the world of Dragon Age.

Even if the chasind's features originally adapted to a warmer enviroment they could have migrated or the weather could have changed drastically since then.

The Chasind originate in the Ferelden valley until the Tevinters drove them further south, it makes about as much sense for them to be black as it does for scots to be black.  The lack of sun makes it a disadvantage.

in any case, Cahir doesn't even look black and we've seen other Chasind in Lothering more obviously pale and possessing red hair in at least one case.

[Fast Jimmy]

Kalas747 wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

CrustyBot wrote...

Your privilege is showing. White characters are considered default, and PoC rarely get the same amount of coverage as white people. To simply say "go play another game" is incredibly insensitive and anti-inclusion, especially since we are talking about the company that strives to be inclusive to all gamers, not just the straight white male.

While I agree with your principle, I don't think "go play another game" is at all what Kalas was saying.  Kalas was more wondering why people would find it so difficult to enjoy a game just because they didn't share the ethnicity of the protagonist.  Certainly I would agree that I felt no problem playing through Jade Empire despite a lack of white male protagonist.

Thank you sir, my sentiments exactly.

LOL Was this level of introspection and thought needed to respond to a poster who, just minutes before, said "White people are terrible?" 

People are having fun with the topic. 

[Medhia Nox]

@Fast Jimmy: Well, let's be super serious business - 'we are pretty terrible.

Not ELF terrible mind you - kinda, Qunari terrible.

[Gwydden]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Fast Jimmy: Well, let's be super serious business - 'we are pretty terrible.

Not ELF terrible mind you - kinda, Qunari terrible.

Why is that?

[Am1vf]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Am1_vf wrote...

Why not? This is not Earth we are talking about. The peoples of thedas could have evolved differently, and that is assuming that there is evolution in the world of Dragon Age.

Even if the chasind's features originally adapted to a warmer enviroment they could have migrated or the weather could have changed drastically since then.

The Chasind originate in the Ferelden valley until the Tevinters drove them further south, it makes about as much sense for them to be black as it does for scots to be black.  The lack of sun makes it a disadvantage.

in any case, Cahir doesn't even look black and we've seen other Chasind in Lothering more obviously pale and possessing red hair in at least one case.

As much as I like to make parallels between fantasy worlds and reality, it doesn't have to work that way. 

The races in the world of Dragon Age don't have to be a reflection of the real world. That means that features we associate with black or white people can be combined differently. Maybe they can be black and redheaded, maybe some chasinds are black and some aren't. Maybe some chasinds were from somewhere else before living in the Ferelden Valley and they mixed with other whiter people. 

This is all speculation ofc, anything is possible. I'm not trying to say that the Chasind are black, just that they, or at least some, could be. Maybe it'll turn out that the people from the western half of Orlais are black and there is several ways it could be written so it makes sense, if the devs want to have more black people in DA.

Modifié par Am1_vf, 29 octobre 2013 - 01:59 .

[Gwydden]

Am1_vf wrote...

As much as I like to make parallels between fantasy worlds and reality, it doesn't have to work that way. 

The races in the world of Dragon Age don't have to be a reflection of the real world. That means that features we associate with black or white people can be combined differently. Maybe they can be black and redheaded, maybe some chasinds are black and some aren't. Maybe some chasinds were from somewhere else before living in the Ferelden Valley and they mixed with other whiter people. 

This is all speculation ofc, anything is possible. I'm not trying to say that the Chasind are black, just that they, or at least some, could be. Maybe it'll turn out that the people from the western half of Orlais are black and there is several ways it could be written so it makes sense, if the devs want to have more black people in DA.

This reminds me of the Aiel from The Wheel of Time: blond/redheaded people with tanned skin living in a desert. The books also featured a single continent with a wide variety of ethnicities. Considering all the inspiration DA obviusly takes from WoT, I wouldn't be surprised if the dichotomy was taken specifically from that series.