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[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@SergeantSnookie: You gonna wash the rest of my dishes elf?  That knife is cleaner than your ears. 

If anything needs to be washed it's you, you filthy shem. >

[Medhia Nox]

@SergeantSnookie: True, dealing with elves all day - I can hardly ever get the stink of uneducated poverty off of me.

Note: Figure if we're gonna talk about racism - might as well keep it DA:I related.

[The Hierophant]

Medhia Nox wrote...

I'm sorry - I don't speak poverty ridden slave race.

Indeed, my good sir. Just the other day one of their ilk had the audacity to ask me for the time, but then i said "It seems you're long overdue for a bath, so see to it mongrel." <chuckles while readjusting monocle> 

[maliluka]

The Hierophant wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

I'm sorry - I don't speak poverty ridden slave race.

Indeed, my good sir. Just the other day one of their ilk had the audacity to ask me for the time, but then i said "It seems you're long overdue for a bath, so see to it mongrel." <chuckles while readjusting monocle> 

hmmm... whats a matter shem, you actually couldn't tell the time so you had to slander the elf , such manners

Modifié par maliluka, 29 octobre 2013 - 04:58 .

[Wulfram]

I never knew chickens were so snobbish

Modifié par Wulfram, 29 octobre 2013 - 04:53 .

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Where is my Chinese-African female LI?

[The Hierophant]

maliluka wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

I'm sorry - I don't speak poverty ridden slave race.

Indeed, my good sir. Just the other day one of their ilk had the audacity to ask me for the time, but then i said "It seems you're long overdue for a bath, so see to it mongrel." <chuckles while readjusting monocle> 

hmmm... yes, apparently they don't teach Shems how to read or tell time, much less manners

Oh dear, such a falsehood. Unlike you creatures we're majorly capable of what you deny of us, but manners for a knife ear? <chuckles>

[Medhia Nox]

@TipLeFedora: Not until we've gathered up all the elves.

@The Heirophant: You cad! That poor elf probably got a proper beating for being so late for whatever his masters needed him to do. *sips scotch*

I have dwarves whip my elves - has a kind of poetry to it.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 29 octobre 2013 - 05:08 .

[BouncyFrag]

Race in video games is serious business folks.

[Aolbain]

I skipped the pages between 1 and 6. So confused.

[frankf43]

It's an argument over who came first the Chicken or the Elf.

[maliluka]

its also a drunken chicken too... don't believe a word it says

[Medhia Nox]

@frankf43: Whatever the case - we know, for a fact, that chickens have many more uses than elves.

I'll have you know I have my elves take very good care of my chickens.

[andar91]

From what I've seen of Vivienne, it looks like the new engine renders darker skin tones considerably better than the last one.

It has been stated multiple times that Isabela and Duncan are both black (Rivaini, in world), but the engines did not handle dark skin tones well. We have not seen or heard of anybody with features we would associate with Asia in the game yet, though they could certainly exist. I'm up for any of this as the story/world/writers dictate.

[Han Shot First]

FreshIstay wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

At best Isabela could be biracial.

But saying Dragon Age had black characters and using her as an example is a bit disingenous. She is far too European-looking.

Im not saying it, the lead writer is. And what's disingenuous is the fact that you think your some kind of encyclopedia on what black people look like, Black people (In America at least) look all kinds of different, you can't just generalize them with a set of features. What does a stereotypical white person look like? 

I didn't say that all black people look a certain way. Obviously there are many people who would identify as black who have mixed ancestry, and are light complected or have some European features. What I did say was that Isabela predominantly looks European. And that's a fact.

Show a screenshot of Isabela to anyone person completely unfamiliar with Dragon Age and ask them to identify that character's ethnicity, and I guarantee you not a single person will say 'black' or 'African.' Thus a dev claiming that Dragon Age featured black characters in the past is a bit disingenuous. Without the equivalent of Twitter canon, no one would even know she was black.

For all your high horse ranting about racism in a subsequent post, that dev statement potentially raises troubling questions about why a black character (and LI) had to be given European features and a light skin tone. *If* the engine isn't to blame, then accusations that the dev team was at least guilty of eurocentrism might not be far off the mark.

[David7204]

The fact that different races tend to have different physical traits other than skin tone is beyond debate.

Black people tend to have wiry hair, for example.

Modifié par David7204, 29 octobre 2013 - 08:50 .

[AlexanderCousland]

Han Shot First wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

At best Isabela could be biracial.

But saying Dragon Age had black characters and using her as an example is a bit disingenous. She is far too European-looking.

Im not saying it, the lead writer is. And what's disingenuous is the fact that you think your some kind of encyclopedia on what black people look like, Black people (In America at least) look all kinds of different, you can't just generalize them with a set of features. What does a stereotypical white person look like? 

I didn't say that all black people look a certain way. Obviously there are many people who would identify as black who have mixed ancestry, and are light complected or have some European features. What I did say was that Isabela predominantly looks European. And that's a fact.

Show a screenshot of Isabela to anyone person completely unfamiliar with Dragon Age and ask them to identify that character's ethnicity, and I guarantee you not a single person will say 'black' or 'African.' Thus a dev claiming that Dragon Age featured black characters in the past is a bit disingenuous. Without the equivalent of Twitter canon, no one would even know she was black.

For all your high horse ranting about racism in a subsequent post, that dev statement potentially raises troubling questions about why a black character (and LI) had to be given European features and a light skin tone. *If* the engine isn't to blame, then accusations that the dev team was at least guilty of eurocentrism might not be far off the mark.

1. What are European features? Don't reply to me if you don't answer that question.

2.If Black North Americans (Not Africans) are largely mixed with European & Indian blood wouldn't it make sense that Blacks inherit some of those features?
Again if we are going to have a honest conversation you have to answer that question.

3. I not getting into some stupid conversation about  how many people will vote Isabela black. You don't get to vote on someone's Blackness. Instead how about you go a couple pages back and look at the Screenshots I posted of Isabela and Beyonce and maybe then you'll be convinced there are Black Women who look like her.

4. How is Bioware featuring Black Character's disgengenous because you don't think their Characters look black enough to be considered black? And Who is it disingenuous to? Is it disingenuous that Vivienne is black or she is black enough to pass your personal black test? 

5. You literally just posted this " raises troubling questions about why a black character (and LI) had to be given European features and a light skin tone."
 
So tell me, Is there some kind of skin tone all black people have as a standard? Im under the impression you can be Black and look like this.


Or this

[Cadell_Agathon]

O____O'
Hummunah hummunah hummunah hummunah BONER!

All kidding aside, we've had this debate a trillion times. Art team and story team's visions may not exactly line up for a character. Old engine that couldn't render realistic dark skin tones is not longer in use. Vivster is in DAI and is obviously not white. We've only seen 3 of the major NPCs. Lets please drop the subject.

[Thetford]

Cadell_Agathon wrote...

Vivster is in DAI and is obviously not white.

Personally, I would prefer Vivilicious to be her nickname. 

[Br3admax]

David7204 wrote...

The fact that different races tend to have different physical traits other than skin tone is beyond debate.

Black people tend to have wiry hair, for example.

Considering that people in the same race have different physical traits, there was no point in you saying this. 

[Xilizhra]

Show a screenshot of Isabela to anyone person completely unfamiliar with Dragon Age and ask them to identify that character's ethnicity, and I guarantee you not a single person will say 'black' or 'African.' Thus a dev claiming that Dragon Age featured black characters in the past is a bit disingenuous. Without the equivalent of Twitter canon, no one would even know she was black.

I'd say "Middle Eastern/North African," myself. What does that count as?

[Plaintiff]

BouncyFrag wrote...

Race in video games is serious business folks.

Do you consider videogames to be worthy of classification as an artform? Or do you consider them juvenile toys with no worth to adults or intellectuals?

[Fast Jimmy]

Plaintiff wrote...

BouncyFrag wrote...

Race in video games is serious business folks.

Do you consider videogames to be worthy of classification as an artform? Or do you consider them juvenile toys with no worth to adults or intellectuals?

Considering that people can turn defactaion into a "classifcation as an artform," I don't see why that means video games need to aspire to do anything other than be entertainment if they so desire.

[Zered]

Filament wrote...

I agree, a game without inclusivity is as terrible as 2girls1cup.

That is so wrong.