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[KR96]

3DandBeyond wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote..
Don't you actually mean sarcasm?

I don't think any form of irony works well here. I suppose H.Y.R.'s remark counts as sarcasm, yes, since the BSN's a clear target.

Personally, I prefer to leave it to people to tell me they are being sarcastic and taking what they say at face value.  It actually is head canon and intentionally meant to be an ambiguous situation so that those that felt Shepard should die and those that felt Shepard should live would both have what they wanted and yet neither truly gets what they wanted.

I thought we were talking sbout arms and legs, not whether Shep lives or dies. You really think Bio meant to be ambiguous about the limbs?

I agree that taking sarcasm as if it were sincere can be a useful way to handle it, depending on how preposterous the proposition is. 

Actually both since there's no hint of a head either and the sudden loss of arms, legs, and all that would be extremely traumatic requiring very fast medical care.  No head would require a mortician.

Let's face it, you can fight like a Krogan, run like a leopard but you'll never be better than commander Shepard. 
No way some see-through toddler is going to kill of that guy/girl. 

[mass perfection]

I'm surprised no one has realized the agenda and globalist/transhumanist/satanic/tyrannical propaganda. Fortunately, this agenda completely backfired and helped point out who's evil and/or stupid and who at least has half a brain.

[AlanC9]

mass perfection wrote...

I'm surprised no one has realized the agenda and globalist/transhumanist/satanic/tyrannical propaganda. Fortunately, this agenda completely backfired and helped point out who's evil and/or stupid and who at least has half a brain.

OK, 3D.... what are we supposed to do with a post like this?

[ghost9191]

there is always the ignore option

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

That one is too good to ignore.

[AlanC9]

3DandBeyond wrote...

 There could be arms and legs just as there could be a head, but without that visual it all remains ambiguous with much of the "sadder" implication being supported by what destroy is explained as and what we're shown and the "happier" implication being the more obvious intent.  

As long as we're taking posts at face value , I must point out that the case for a head is far stronger than the case for limbs. A headless Shepard torso wouldn't be able to breathe like that .... unless his implants are taking over?

And I'll non-ironically agree with the rest of the post. It's a pity that there are so few options for Shepard to even consider that TIM might have a point. 

[jstme]

AlanC9 wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

I'm surprised no one has realized the agenda and globalist/transhumanist/satanic/tyrannical propaganda. Fortunately, this agenda completely backfired and helped point out who's evil and/or stupid and who at least has half a brain.

OK, 3D.... what are we supposed to do with a post like this?

I am 4D as far as i am aware,but my advice would be - do not feed the,errr, illusive man. 

[3DandBeyond]

AlanC9 wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

I'm surprised no one has realized the agenda and globalist/transhumanist/satanic/tyrannical propaganda. Fortunately, this agenda completely backfired and helped point out who's evil and/or stupid and who at least has half a brain.

OK, 3D.... what are we supposed to do with a post like this?

Am I supposed to be responsible for the opinions of others?  It's always up to you how you respond and up to me how I do.  That's what individual responsibility is for. I tend to try but don't always succeed, to try and realize there are human beings with real feelings behind every post.  But since I'm also human I am in no way perfect so I can't tell anyone what to say or feel. I may vociferously explain and defend my feelings on things, but then it's up to others to also deal with opinions as they see fit.

Lacking a full understanding of the post, I'd ask the poster to elaborate or if it didn't appeal to me and I wanted no further explanation, I'd move on.

As it is there is something to the point that the endings were part of an agenda to paste everything into some stereotypical view of the galaxy or the choices as what is happening in the world today and how polarized different factions are becoming-the idea that some have that there is no bleed through of ideas and we are fracturing into caricatures of such things as religious zealots, doomsday scientists, and so on.  The idea that we will enter into this dystopia that began as a view of worst case scenarios if we let tech control us rather than we control it, totally rules out individualism.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 30 octobre 2013 - 12:45 .

[3DandBeyond]

AlanC9 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

 There could be arms and legs just as there could be a head, but without that visual it all remains ambiguous with much of the "sadder" implication being supported by what destroy is explained as and what we're shown and the "happier" implication being the more obvious intent.  

As long as we're taking posts at face value , I must point out that the case for a head is far stronger than the case for limbs. A headless Shepard torso wouldn't be able to breathe like that .... unless his implants are taking over?

And I'll non-ironically agree with the rest of the post. It's a pity that there are so few options for Shepard to even consider that TIM might have a point. 

Ever watch someone die?  If not or if you have and have not experienced things that can happen then the point is lost on you.  There are autonomic and even residual muscular actions that can mimic many things-like say the headless chicken effect.  Nerves and neural activity are electrical impulses and the body can have many different actions long after clinical are full on actual death has occurred.  Sometimes, there's also built up electrical impulses that can even cause limbs to move well after death.  It's not unlikely that the chest can move even due to expelling gases from tissues and organs as death goes through stages.  For instance, digestive gases can be released much like farting.  And, depending upon where the torso is there's a possibility of oxygen exchange of some type or CO2 exchange.  Don't know, the game doesn't say.

If you consider for a minute that Shepard lost his/her head-there's even a possibility of the trachea being crushed at some point but then things shift and it opens up-air could move in or out depending upon pressure inside the body and outside of it or residual responses.

[Obadiah]

AlanC9 wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

I'm surprised no one has realized the agenda and globalist/transhumanist/satanic/tyrannical propaganda. Fortunately, this agenda completely backfired and helped point out who's evil and/or stupid and who at least has half a brain.

OK, 3D.... what are we supposed to do with a post like this?

Answer him.

"Yes."

[Killdren88]

Indeed it is disgusting. Forcing such a massive change without the consent of the beings who would effected is insane. The argument for synthesis boils down to "I want the people I love to live safe and secure while experiencing all the "Benefits" Synthesis offers and to hell with everyone else who says otherwise." And if you don't want to be synthesized..well here's a gun off yourself. But don't worry once your perception changes.... you'll see things our way.

Modifié par Killdren88, 30 octobre 2013 - 12:51 .

[3DandBeyond]

Obadiah wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

I'm surprised no one has realized the agenda and globalist/transhumanist/satanic/tyrannical propaganda. Fortunately, this agenda completely backfired and helped point out who's evil and/or stupid and who at least has half a brain.

OK, 3D.... what are we supposed to do with a post like this?

Answer him.

"Yes."

Huh?  Since when am I supposed to do what you say or have to critique everyone else's posts.  Contrary to what you may think, it's quite possible for you to form your own ideas of things-unless this means you're ceding that to me.

[3DandBeyond]

Killdren88 wrote...

Indeed it is disgusting. Forcing such a massive change without the consent of the beings who would effected is insane. The argument for synthesis boils down to "I want the people I love to live safe and secure while experiencing all the "Benefits" Synthesis differs and to hell with everyone else who says otherwise." And if you don't want to be synthesized..well here's a gun off yourself. But don't worry once your perception changes.... you'll see things our way.

Yep.

[dreamgazer]

mass perfection wrote...

I'm surprised no one has realized the agenda and globalist/transhumanist/satanic/tyrannical propaganda. Fortunately, this agenda completely backfired and helped point out who's evil and/or stupid and who at least has half a brain.

While I'm not a supporter of this ending myself, I can assure you that many of its supporters' intellects and the discussions they've had make certain destroy advocates look absolutely pathetic in comparison. 

[Obadiah]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Obadiah wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

I'm surprised no one has realized the agenda and globalist/transhumanist/satanic/tyrannical propaganda. Fortunately, this agenda completely backfired and helped point out who's evil and/or stupid and who at least has half a brain.

OK, 3D.... what are we supposed to do with a post like this?

Answer him.

"Yes."

Huh?  Since when am I supposed to do what you say or have to critique everyone else's posts.  Contrary to what you may think, it's quite possible for you to form your own ideas of things-unless this means you're ceding that to me.

Dude, I was answering AlanC9's question on what he should do with the post, not telling you what to do.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

dreamgazer wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

I'm surprised no one has realized the agenda and globalist/transhumanist/satanic/tyrannical propaganda. Fortunately, this agenda completely backfired and helped point out who's evil and/or stupid and who at least has half a brain.

While I'm not a supporter of this ending myself, I can assure you that many of its supporters' intellects and the discussions they've had make certain destroy advocates look absolutely pathetic in comparison. 

Eh, we have most of the people with Destroy. Odds are, we're going to get a lot more of the angry, emotional, and, to be frank, stupid people.

Still, I'm able to get Synthesis fans to agree that it was very poorly executed. And rather very inconsistent narratively and thematically with the rest of the series. I like to think I'm one of the better decriers of Synthesis on the BSN, but that judgement ultimately isn't up to me.

Also, Dream, great job burning that guy. 

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 30 octobre 2013 - 01:02 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

But the thing is that you could also choose control then and no one else dies today. They're just machines doing what they were told anyway. Storage containers of genetic material of past cycles with a VI that takes instructions from you. That's what the reapers are. You just found out 5 minutes ago. "I control the reapers. They are my solution."

Before the EC you could have repaired the mass relays then left. Now, you have to create a dystopia and watch over the many. So if you choose control, it's best to just play it with the original ending.

I'm just saying no one else has to die today.

[3DandBeyond]

dreamgazer wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

I'm surprised no one has realized the agenda and globalist/transhumanist/satanic/tyrannical propaganda. Fortunately, this agenda completely backfired and helped point out who's evil and/or stupid and who at least has half a brain.

While I'm not a supporter of this ending myself, I can assure you that many of its supporters' intellects and the discussions they've had make certain destroy advocates look absolutely pathetic in comparison. 

I prefer to look at it as though there are proponents and opponents of every position regarding every argument over this game that run the gamut of intelligence.  Some have to face higher hurdles since they overcome language barriers and others just are not well spoken, but as is said in Desiderata-even the dull and ignorant have their stories.  Gems can be found in the most unlikely of places if we just look and get to the heart of things, rather than needing to label everyone.

And dreamgazer, I'm not specifically referring to your post at all or the point you're making which is a good one.  It's just always been a problem here that some need to pigeonhole others as haters, crazy, stupid, selfish, or whatever.  I think it best (though failure happens) to characterize things in the game and not the people that may like it.  Stuff happens though and we're all human.

[3DandBeyond]

Obadiah wrote...




Dude, I was answering AlanC9's question on what he should do with the post, not telling you what to do.

Ok, sorry dude.    My very large mistake.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

dreamgazer wrote...


Nothing clearly indicates Shepard's arms or legs aren't there, HYR,

The breath-scene does. No arms or legs in sight. So to believe they exist is headcanon.

And let's not forget what High EMS Destroy Shepard went through up to that point: [Scraped by Harbinger's laser] --> [shot in the shoulder by Marauder Shields] --> [tossed onto Citadel like a rag doll] --> [walks into fire-explosion] --> [buried under rubble]. I mean, the guy will actually die if EMS is low or even mid. But at high, he'll be A-okay? Yeah, I don't think so.

In ME2, he could get up from underneath a metal beam. Why can't he pick himself up out of less in ME3?

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 30 octobre 2013 - 01:07 .

[Deverz]

If you want to believe Shep is missing arms and legs and will bleed out and die a slow death there's nothing stopping you. If you want to believe Shep survived, went back to Earth and made love with Wrex there's nothing stopping you. No one is right or wrong. Everything post-Crucible is headcanon-country.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

And come on. None of us ever want to see an ending like this again, ever. I really hope Bioware drops the trope of "the way overpowered ancient evil" coming back to destroy the world, galaxy, universe, whatever. It will always require some kind of deus ex machina at the end. It has no place in a sci-fi story like this. I'd like to see something better out of them.

To be quite honest, I don't like any of the endings to this story. I don't think I ever will. What I don't like about them? Each one of them forces an agenda. This is that "bittersweet" feeling. This is why you're left with that hollow feeling no matter which one you chose. This is why the best thing you could have done afterwards is say "f*** it" and played Borderlands 2 for some stupid fun, or if that wasn't out yet, played something else like maybe made another run of Skyrim.

I don't really care about the game that much anymore. I have no investment in it except the group project right now which I'm quite excited about.

[Killdren88]

[quote]Deverz wrote...

If you want to believe Shep is missing arms and legs and will bleed out and die a slow death there's nothing stopping you. If you want to believe Shep survived, went back to Earth and made love with Wrex there's nothing stopping you. No one is right or wrong. Everything post-Crucible is headcanon-country.[/quote
A d that is Mass Effect's greatest sin. A cheap means to not put export into how it ended ambiguous endings only ****** people off.

[Iakus]

Deverz wrote...

If you want to believe Shep is missing arms and legs and will bleed out and die a slow death there's nothing stopping you. If you want to believe Shep survived, went back to Earth and made love with Wrex there's nothing stopping you. No one is right or wrong. Everything post-Crucible is headcanon-country.

How about SHepards survival in Control and Synthesis.  Is that valid headcanon?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Killdren88 wrote...

Deverz wrote...

If you want to believe Shep is missing arms and legs and will bleed out and die a slow death there's nothing stopping you. If you want to believe Shep survived, went back to Earth and made love with Wrex there's nothing stopping you. No one is right or wrong. Everything post-Crucible is headcanon-country.

And that is Mass Effect's greatest sin. A cheap means to not put export into how it ended ambiguous endings only ****** people off.

New consoles. No import. This was the end of Shepard's story. And really does it matter? Bethesda doesn't carry an export for TES games. For a future game this should go far enough in the future like 400 years that it doesn't matter. You won't need an export then. Of course the 10 people who had Liara die in their low EMS ending will scream bloody murder knowing BSN, especially if she has a cameo appearance for the lolz.