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[dreamgazer]

Greylycantrope wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Tbh, I've already excepted the fact that movies will never follow the lore fully when I saw Batman (1989)

But I still very enjoyed SOME of the movies I've seen

(laughs)

You can probably count the number of comic-book movies that "follow the lore" on two hands, maybe one. 

Most of the best ones just know how to work around the lore in interesting ways. 

I always figured that was mainly the point of a film or tv adaptation. It doesn't have to be exactly the same so long as the themes and characterizations feel familiar enough to the source material. Course I also read a bunch of AU comics where the etablished lore get's tossed out the window on the regular basis , so I might just be used to it .

Nah, you're on the money.  

This has been happening with adaptations of novels since the early days of Hollywood. 

Modifié par dreamgazer, 29 octobre 2013 - 10:36 .

[MerinTB]

Beerfish wrote...

MerinTB wrote...
EDIT - Moody Blues "Days of Future Passed" does proceed the story this film is based on by over a decade, yes, but the movie title is really from the comic arc "Days of Future Past" from the 1980's Uncanny X-Men comic so...

the filmmakers aren't stealing it - Claremont likely did in the 80's, though.

Moody Blues albumn came out in 1967. soooooo

Reread what I said, this time closely.

Do the underlined parts help?

Moody Blues preceeds comic by over a decade (1967 is 13 years before 1980, hence "over a decade")

Movie is based on comic story arc (hence movie is taking title from comic, not Moody Blues - though Claremont, writer of the comic, likely DID adopt the title from the album as the dude copied stuff all the time (Brood = HR Geiger's Alien designs, Shi'ar Imperial Guard = Legion of Super-Heroes, Starjammers = Star Wars, etc.)

[Mr.House]

TheChris92 wrote...

In terms of the Nolan movies I'd say they came closest to being a very faithful adaption of the Bat - Specifically the central factors, such as a mugger killing his parents & background stories for most of the well known villains. Batman Begins is basically Year One The Dark Knight's plot is heavily reminiscent of The Long Halloween where Harvey Dent and Gordon take on the mob, with Heath Ledger playing a very Killing Joke-inspired Joker. The third movie had some stuff from No Man's Land & Knightfall, where they actually managed to portray Bane as a criminal mastermind excluding the rather disappointing ending he met at the end of it though. At the same time the movies claimed their own identity away from the comics, the same way the Arkham games does. I think that's a positive thing -- I don't really know why I'm writing this since I know jack all about X-men, so yeah... Anyway I guess I think of it like this about all comic-book-adapted-movies.
There's gotta be a good chemistry, between the source material and the movie itself, but without leaning itself towards either or -- Otherwise it loses its own identity and I also doubt everything can be covered up in 120 minute long film.

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[TheRealJayDee]

mybudgee wrote...

Maybe "Watchmen"?

No. :happy:

But I won't start rant about why not because it'd be off-topic and because I've come to like the extended cuts of the movie quite a lot, so I'm good with it. And, all things considered, it was probably as close a "Watchmen" adaptation as we could ever hope to get (and given the box office performance it's likely gonna be the only), and it had some great casting choices and visuals!

[Fast Jimmy]

AresKeith wrote...

I wonder if Days of Future Past leads into the Age of Apocolypse in this movie

This thought crossed my mind. Mainly because of three things:

1) That would be so awesome.

2) Based on the trailer, the "future" group is recruiting Magneto (Ian-Mag says "you need my help"), so it COULD be possible that Wolverine isn't being sent by himself, but they are also sending Magneto back.

From the way this time travel seems to work, Wolverine is being sent back because he was alive back then, so his older mind could be sent back into his younger body. If Magneto did the same, you'd have a Magneto who has seen the full brunt and extent of human-mutant warfare and who would want to mobilize forces to crush the humans before they have a chance to strike. 

Somewhat supported by this is the short clip of Fass-Mag floating through the air, a power he did not have developed in First Class, but which Ian-Mag did have in the first set of movies. Maybe Ian-Mag's mind is transferred to Fass-Mag's body?

If so (and that's a LOT of so's, don't get me wrong), how amazing would it be to have Ian-Mag's mind in the past, attacking humans first, setting off a chain of events that result in Age of Apocalypse...? (Not at all in line with how Age of Apocalypse is kicked off in the comics, but since this Days of Future Past movie isn't following the same set of events either, then I don't think that is a limiting factor.)

Oh... and... for the last reason...

3) That would be SO friggin' awesome.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 29 octobre 2013 - 11:46 .

[AresKeith]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

I wonder if Days of Future Past leads into the Age of Apocolypse in this movie

This thought crossed my mind. Mainly because of three things:

1) That would be so awesome.

2) Based on the trailer, the "future" group is recruiting Magneto (Ian-Mag says "you need my help"), so it COULD be possible that Wolverine isn't being sent by himself, but they are also sending Magneto back.

From the way this time travel seems to work, Wolverine is being sent back because he was alive back then, so his older mind could be sent back into his younger body. If Magneto did the same, you'd have a Magneto who has seen the full brunt and extent of human-mutant warfare and who would want to mobilize forces to crush the humans before they have a chance to strike. 

Somewhat supported by this is the short clip of Fass-Mag floating through the air, a power he did not have developed in First Class, but which Ian-Mag did have in the first set of movies. Maybe Ian-Mag's mind is transferred to Fass-Mag's body?

If so (and that's a LOT of so's, don't get me wrong), how amazing would it be to have Ian-Mag's mind in the past, attacking humans first, setting off a chain of events that result in Age of Apocalypse...? (Not at all in line with how Age of Apocalypse is kicked off in the comics, but since this Days of Future Past movie isn't following the same set of events either, then I don't think that is a limiting factor.)

Oh... and... for the last reason...

3) That would be SO friggin' awesome.

That's a good theory, but I don't think Ian-Mag goes back in time with Wolverine into Fass-Mag's body because they already have to deal with the young Magento (who's already on that path) to get his help

Actually in First Class he does float towards the end of the movie, so I'm not surprised to see him do it now

But while the movie isn't following the set of events, Singer still tries to keep things in flow. So if they are gonna do Age of Apocolyse after that (And I hope so) they'll need to have Mr. Sinister in the movie somewhere.

Because I think he was one of big factors in that (but I could be wrong, I'm rusty on lore)

[spirosz]

Mr.House wrote...

TheChris92 wrote...

In terms of the Nolan movies I'd say they came closest to being a very faithful adaption of the Bat - Specifically the central factors, such as a mugger killing his parents & background stories for most of the well known villains. Batman Begins is basically Year One The Dark Knight's plot is heavily reminiscent of The Long Halloween where Harvey Dent and Gordon take on the mob, with Heath Ledger playing a very Killing Joke-inspired Joker. The third movie had some stuff from No Man's Land & Knightfall, where they actually managed to portray Bane as a criminal mastermind excluding the rather disappointing ending he met at the end of it though. At the same time the movies claimed their own identity away from the comics, the same way the Arkham games does. I think that's a positive thing -- I don't really know why I'm writing this since I know jack all about X-men, so yeah... Anyway I guess I think of it like this about all comic-book-adapted-movies.
There's gotta be a good chemistry, between the source material and the movie itself, but without leaning itself towards either or -- Otherwise it loses its own identity and I also doubt everything can be covered up in 120 minute long film.

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[spirosz]

Also, this actually... looks really good. I'm excited.

[TheRealJayDee]

I really liked the Age of Apocalypse in the comics, and I was so pissed when they cancelled the Wolverine & The X-Men series right after they teased AoA for the second season. But until I've seen how they handle DoFP and in what state it leaves the already ****ed up movie continuity I can't say if I want an AoA movie that is connected with it.

They'd need to introduce Apocalypse and Sinister. They'd need to re-introduce Cyclops -who received questionable treatment in the movies before being killed/removed- in an alternate version. They'd need to make up their minds about how they want to portray Sabretooth. I don't even want to think about X-Man...

Well, maybe they do lay the groundwork for something like that in DoFP. And I guess I have to accept that if they try to do a take on the AoA it won't be resembling the comics very much. Could still be cool, I guess.

[AresKeith]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

I really liked the Age of Apocalypse in the comics, and I was so pissed when they cancelled the Wolverine & The X-Men series right after they teased AoA for the second season. But until I've seen how they handle DoFP and in what state it leaves the already ****ed up movie continuity I can't say if I want an AoA movie that is connected with it.

They'd need to introduce Apocalypse and Sinister. They'd need to re-introduce Cyclops -who received questionable treatment in the movies before being killed/removed- in an alternate version. They'd need to make up their minds about how they want to portray Sabretooth. I don't even want to think about X-Man...

Well, maybe they do lay the groundwork for something like that in DoFP. And I guess I have to accept that if they try to do a take on the AoA it won't be resembling the comics very much. Could still be cool, I guess.

It could also be an excuse to erase everything from X-Men The Last Stand, I mean they already brough Xavier back lol

[TheRealJayDee]

AresKeith wrote...

It could also be an excuse to erase everything from X-Men The Last Stand, I mean they already brough Xavier back lol

I do hope that at the end of the new movie we have some kind of re-established continuity that does somehow right some of the wrongs all the movies, but especially The Last Stand did. With Jean and Scott alive, and Scott being more of the leader he's supposed to be and less being reduced on being Jean's boyfriend/jealous boyfriend/depressed boyfriend/possibly disintegrated boyfriend. ^^

[AresKeith]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

It could also be an excuse to erase everything from X-Men The Last Stand, I mean they already brough Xavier back lol

I do hope that at the end of the new movie we have some kind of re-established continuity that does somehow right some of the wrongs all the movies, but especially The Last Stand did. With Jean and Scott alive, and Scott being more of the leader he's supposed to be and less being reduced on being Jean's boyfriend/jealous boyfriend/depressed boyfriend/possibly disintegrated boyfriend. ^^

That's why Singer should've stayed Director for that movie

But I doubt we'll see Jean Scott back, unless they do something in the past that would drastically change the events of The Last Stand

And if the movie does really well and they follow up with AoA with no Jean and Scott, I wouldn't be upset over it

[mybudgee]

^ BTTF ?!?

[dreamgazer]

mybudgee wrote...

^ BTTF ?!?

A decent film, so long as you don't think about its many plot holes created by paradoxes and the nature of memory.

[Mr.House]

TipsLeFedora wrote...

I am skeptical. I have never seen a time travel plotline executed well.

Read the comic the movie is being based on then?

[dreamgazer]

TipsLeFedora wrote...

I am skeptical. I have never seen a time travel plotline executed well.

Give Source Code, Looper, and Twelve Monkeys a look.

People regard Primer a bit higher than I do, but it's worth checking out, too.

[In Exile]

MerinTB wrote...

I LOVED that trailer. Even if it still makes Wolverine out to be the messiah of mutants (with Xavier seemingly delegated to an apostle or something.)

Is that how you see it? Because to me it seems like it's all about Xavier being the one person who can keep the world from imploding. Especially the last Xavier-Xavier scene ending on "Please, we need you to hope again". 

Wicked 702 wrote...

For those of you that remember: The X-Men Animated series in the early-mid 90's covered this story arc ("Days of Future's Past") quite well. I'm very much hoping for a (somewhat) faithful recreation of that experience.

That's actually why I'm excited about the movie. It was one of my favourite arcs - especially the sacrifice that Wolverine and Storm made in that storyline. 

Fast Jimmy wrote...
If so (and that's a LOT of so's, don't get me wrong), how amazing would it be to have Ian-Mag's mind in the past, attacking humans first, setting off a chain of events that result in Age of Apocalypse...? (Not at all in line with how Age of Apocalypse is kicked off in the comics, but since this Days of Future Past movie isn't following the same set of events either, then I don't think that is a limiting factor.)

I don't know. It seems to me that future Magneto is not at all like old Magneto. At least based on the trailer, and based on Xavier's goal, it strikes me that their aim is to prevent war, not cause it. 

Besides, it makes the story more tragic if future Magneto is a Xavier-like figure that will never exist because he's just the wrong person for the job at the wrong time. So, basically, Magneto becomes the villain rather than the hero because Xavier is there to carve out another way. 

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

Goddamn it Wolverine is the Tali of X-men. On the other hand you really can't not like Hugh Jackman.


why do people hate cyclops so much

dreamgazer wrote...

TipsLeFedora wrote...

I am skeptical. I have never seen a time travel plotline executed well.

Give Source Code, Looper, and Twelve Monkeys a look.

People regard Primer a bit higher than I do, but it's worth checking out, too.

Source code is a really good movie and has one of the most tear jerking scenes ever, but it doesn't actually turn into time travel until the ending- the cheesy, horrible, good-work undoing ending, so I don't think it qualifies as a "time travel plotline executed well". Looper's quite good, but there's one big, not very obvious plot hole. I liked The Butterfly Effect too.

[mybudgee]

I dont hate Cyclops' character, just the actor (Jimmy Marsden)

See: end of X-men 2

[mybudgee]

Also; Magneto DOES in fact float around in "First class"... at the end, after killing Kevin Bacon

[AresKeith]

fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb wrote...

Goddamn it Wolverine is the Tali of X-men. On the other hand you really can't not like Hugh Jackman.


why do people hate cyclops so much

It's not that I hate him 

It's that I never really cared for the character in X-Men in general

[Mr.House]

Probably because Cyclops in the movie was boyfriend, jelous boyfriend, depressed boyfriend, broody boyfriend. DEAD BOYFRIEND.

[Milan92]

AresKeith wrote...

fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb wrote...

Goddamn it Wolverine is the Tali of X-men. On the other hand you really can't not like Hugh Jackman.


why do people hate cyclops so much

It's not that I hate him 

It's that I never really cared for the character in X-Men in general

Same.

[AresKeith]

Milan92 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb wrote...

Goddamn it Wolverine is the Tali of X-men. On the other hand you really can't not like Hugh Jackman.


why do people hate cyclops so much

It's not that I hate him 

It's that I never really cared for the character in X-Men in general

Same.

Jean Grey was kinda meh for me

But I liked the Actress