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"Uncertainty Over Fall 2014 Release" (What ADDITIONS do you request during your wait?)


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Sounds like EA plans to have this game as their AAA title for commercial revenue next year. EA is big and this is partly new ground for Bioware. They have done open games in the past but nothing close to the scale and ambition DA:I presents. I could see another delay happening. At least EA has confidence in the IP and Bioware to deliver a product rather than rushing them. In any event, Bioware is fortunate to have EA on their side being such a big corporation with massive resources. People like to hammer EA at how evil they are but this is where a major benefit is to gaming. They could push more resources into Bioware's corner and help them get it out in a timely fashion with help.

I would be slightly sad over a delay but I'll get over it knowing it will be a more polished product. I don't really expect more but rather a polished product. I don't care if they decided to add more. Cut promised features on the other hand...would probably not sit well with most of the fans who followed it closely. Could you  imagine them coming right back and saying, "well, we've decided to go back to human only customization" after first saying this would be the case and then later deciding they had plenty of time to add more racial customization? Wouldn't help that their stance with DA:I has only to announce features they 100% know will be in the game. Going back on promised features would raise red flags and make me question the quality/stability of the project.

Modifié par deuce985, 30 octobre 2013 - 07:32 .


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If the game gets pushed back nothing you can do about it they have there reasons....and just means your have a finely polished game.

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David Gaider wrote...

If you'd prefer, there could be no slippage and you could enjoy an unpolished game that arrived right on time. Angsting over the potential loss of features which couldn't have been delivered to the perfection you imagine in your head is a waste of time-- we don't cut things that are already completed and working.


ANGST


Is the reaction wheel already completed and working? I suppose our QA friend could anwer this too... >.>

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I've seen this brought up a few times, so I wanted to present an analogy for those who don't quite understand what's going on here.

Think about it as if you're a baker that's baking cupcakes for a customer's order. You know that the order is due in three days, and you need to deliver 100 cupcakes with peanut butter filling and dark chocolate icing with decorations... words written in the icing or something. You start the baking process, but realize one day into it that you won't be able to fill and frost all of the cupcakes in that time, because frosting them with the designs you made are taking a lot longer than expected. In addition, some of the cupcakes you frosted and filled are not done right (misspellings, or not enough filling, or broken). They will need to be remade.

You estimate you're going to need at least an extra day to finish filling and frosting all 100 of the cupcakes. So you go to your customer, and you present the following options:

1. 70 cupcakes filled and frosted by the deadline.
2. 100 cupcakes filled, but only 30 frosted by the deadline.
3. 80 cupcakes frosted, but only 40 of them filled by the deadline.
4. Delay the order for a day, delivering 100 frosted and filled cupcakes late. This will cost the customer more money, since you still need to pay the frosters and the fillers for their time. You do not have the operating budget to pay for them yourself out of pocket, which is why you must ask for more from the customer.

Imagine that the customer is actually not going to eat the cupcakes himself, but rather resell them at his coffee shop, along with other baked goods like muffins, cookies, alongside his fresh coffee.

Supposing that the customer decides to pay the additional money for the additional baking necessary for his order... would he expect to get any additional cupcakes, or additional decoration from them? It is unlikely to be so - the estimate is to complete just the initial order. Adding more to it would cost more, and would have to push the deadline out even further. That isn't something the customer is necessarily prepared for or wants. The customer may not be interested in adding more to the finished cupcake's design, he just wants the cupcakes he asked for. This is what often happens when a game is delayed.

The customer actually has an additional option available too - he can cancel his order. Under what circumstances would he do this? He knows he can't get a refund for the baking already done, and it will look bad to his customers if he already promised cupcakes but won't be able to offer to sell them, but if he doesn't have the money on hand to pay for more baking, he may just have to cut his losses, hoping to make up the rest on the sale of coffee and muffins. If the money he estimates he'll make from selling the cupcakes isn't higher than the additional money he has to pay to get the cupcakes finished, he will also probably cut his losses. He may decide to stop selling cupcakes altogether, if there are consistent problems with getting them made. This is often what happens when a game is cancelled.

Sometimes the customer cancels his order and the baker is left with a bunch of half-frosted, half-filled cupcakes. He believes that the finished cupcakes would sell and are fabulous, but he's got a limited amount of time before they start to go bad and he has to throw them away. So what does he do? He goes to other storefronts... cafes, ice cream shops, etc. to try to find a buyer for the abandoned cupcakes. Sometimes he does. Sometimes he cannot, and is forced to throw them out. This is what often happens when a game is dropped by a publisher, and tries to find another.

I hope this helps with the understanding. At the very least, I hope it makes people hungry.

Modifié par hoorayforicecream, 30 octobre 2013 - 08:08 .


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hoorayforicecream wrote...

I hope this helps with the understanding. At the very least, I hope it makes people hungry.


Ice cream>cupcakes.

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EntropicAngel wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

I hope this helps with the understanding. At the very least, I hope it makes people hungry.


Ice cream>cupcakes.


I agree with this. Hooray for ice cream.

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LOL, this forum panics over every little thing. That article is ridiculously misleading. That EA official simply doesn't want to make a guarantee of when the game is coming out just in case something unforeseen happens. Thats true for any game. Standard operating procedure especally when they have already given DA:I more development time.

This is a non issue. The article was just made to panic fans that are needlessly prone to panic.

Modifié par Wissenschaft, 30 octobre 2013 - 07:54 .


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hoorayforicecream wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

I hope this helps with the understanding. At the very least, I hope it makes people hungry.


Ice cream>cupcakes.


I agree with this. Hooray for ice cream.


I started to to read your comment but then those two magical words came up "cupcake" next thing I knew I had to have a one...I'll try to read your analogy between the gaming Industry and cupcakes after I'm finished :lol:

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Wissenschaft wrote...

LOL, this forum panics over every little thing. That article is ridiculously misleading. That EA official simply doesn't want to make a guarantee of when the game is coming out just in case something unforeseen happens. Thats true for any game. Standard operating procedure especally when they have already give DA:I more development time.

This is a non issue. The article was just made to panic fans that are needlessly prone to panic.


I disagree. Words like "most likely, possibly" are not simply vague, but imply there's a significant chance it might not happen. There's plenty of reason for concern here.

Before the dev comments, anyway.

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Dammit Hooray, I want cupcakes now.

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EntropicAngel wrote...

Wissenschaft wrote...

LOL, this forum panics over every little thing. That article is ridiculously misleading. That EA official simply doesn't want to make a guarantee of when the game is coming out just in case something unforeseen happens. Thats true for any game. Standard operating procedure especally when they have already give DA:I more development time.

This is a non issue. The article was just made to panic fans that are needlessly prone to panic.


I disagree. Words like "most likely, possibly" are not simply vague, but imply there's a significant chance it might not happen. There's plenty of reason for concern here.

Before the dev comments, anyway.

 

A phrase such as "most likely" implies theres a high chance its coming out in FALL 2014. Are people really going to nitpick the precise meaning of possibly?!

Modifié par Wissenschaft, 30 octobre 2013 - 07:57 .


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Kinda hilarious to see how wrong some people are when it comes to their knowledge of game development.

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Wissenschaft wrote...

Words like most likely imply theres a high chance its coming out FALL 2014. Are people really going to nitpick the precise meaning of possibly?!


That's not nitpicking at all. Words are very, very important. If anyone knows this, surely high-level businessmen in one of the largest, most notorious gaming companies knows this.

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I would urge for diverging narrative arcs based on our choices similar to The Witcher 2

FOCUS on making our choices matter in gameplay and story... I want to see consequences, dammit!

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Savber100 wrote...

I would urge for diverging narrative arcs based on our choices similar to The Witcher 2

FOCUS on making our choices matter in gameplay and story... I want to see consequences, dammit!


The choice matters because you made it.

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I hope that you, Bioware, are in the position to dictate when the game comes out. It'll come out when you're happy with it, and I hope that's when it does come out.

My worry after reading that article is EA may make a "business" decision based entirely on quarterly projections/earnings that ends up screwing us (players and Bioware) all.

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I r disappoint. :(

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Wissenschaft wrote...

LOL, this forum panics over every little thing. That article is ridiculously misleading. That EA official simply doesn't want to make a guarantee of when the game is coming out just in case something unforeseen happens. Thats true for any game. Standard operating procedure especally when they have already given DA:I more development time.

This is a non issue. The article was just made to panic fans that are needlessly prone to panic.

Yup. The way it was worded made it sound like he was 90% positive the game was coming out next year.

We're introducing UFC next year. We have Sims next year, we would most likely, possibly have Dragon Age next year."


He's saying it's MOST LIKELY coming next year but still has the possibility something could slow the project up. He can't say it's 100% for sure because it's new territory for Bioware. Considering Bioware keeps adding features to the game when they thought they wouldn't have them...I think that's a positive sign the game is actually ahead of schedule for them. When someone uses "most likely"...to me it usually implies well over 50% chance. Anyways, considering the game has over another year of development it's pointless to worry about it right now.

Modifié par deuce985, 30 octobre 2013 - 09:26 .


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I say don't worry about it until an official statement confirms a delay. Until then, I'm assuming it's still going to be released on schedule.

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I'm also in the "don't panic" camp, and I'd like to point out that even if the game was pushed back and did come out only in 2015, it could still come out in early 2015. Fall 2014 is very close to the start of 2015, after all, so even a delay of a few months would mean a 2015 release. Not to sound rude, but some of the reactions almost make it sound like "might not come out in 2014" means the same as "will be delayed for another year".

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As I said in the other thread:

This is really good news. EA should always be uncertain about the release date of a game this far out. EA cannot yet know that the game will be done and polished by Fall 2014. If they insisted on enforcing the release date, despite that lack of knowledge, that would potentially lead to an unfinished game (like KotOR2).

edit: Though, I suppose it could mean that they're considering closing the studio, in which case they'd never get DAI.

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Sylvius the Mad wrote...

As I said in the other thread:

This is really good news. EA should always be uncertain about the release date of a game this far out. EA cannot yet know that the game will be done and polished by Fall 2014. If they insisted on enforcing the release date, despite that lack of knowledge, that would potentially lead to an unfinished game (like KotOR2).

edit: Though, I suppose it could mean that they're considering closing the studio, in which case they'd never get DAI.

 

That started off really positive and then nose dived into negativity. lol

Modifié par Wissenschaft, 30 octobre 2013 - 10:20 .


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David Gaider wrote...

Trista Hawke wrote...
So, I'm not here to gripe if the game's release *does* get pushed back. If it's pushed back, it's pushed back. Thus is life. However, IF THAT WERE THE CASE, can we reap the benefits of it being pushed back + the profits of EA's 2014 big hit releases? Can they add more to Dragon Age Inquisition if the fans are made to wait until 2015?


If the release date does slip, and that's IF, it will undoubtedly because we feel we need more time to make the game we currently have on our hands. At that point we will be cutting content that's not finished yet, not adding new content in. You will get less features, possibly some that were already mentioned would be removed, not new features thrown in as candy to "reward" you for the extra wait.


Glad to hear that.  Would much rather the finished product only contain content which is regarded as 'completed' and polished to a high standard.  Half-baked features/content can be re-added later as DLC (or not at all if it simply wasn't going to work).

Also glad to hear that Bioware is being given some space to move the release date if absolutely necessary.  Best Bioware related news I've heard in months, in fact.

:)

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Trista Hawke wrote...

If the game is, say, delayed beyond Fall 2014 - what would you like Bioware to add to Inquisition's development that is definitely *not* being implemented during current production? Post your hopes/dreams below! 


Customizable bodies, like Skyrim or Dragon's Dogma ^_^ I would like to decide if my character is bulky or slender, has wide shoulders, narrow hips, etc. I would love that. Every time I turn on Dragon's Dogma I fiddle with the CC. It's so awesome! Would love that for DA:I.

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hoorayforicecream wrote...

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I hope this helps with the understanding. At the very least, I hope it makes people hungry.

Great analogy :)

Now I'm hungry, and it seems that Victory Games is no longer making those Tiberium flavored cupcakes. Drats.

Modifié par Gileadan, 30 octobre 2013 - 11:01 .