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[Allan Schumacher]

So in your opinion are Daikatana, DNF, and A:CM polished games?

I know these games come up a lot, and they are examples of how a long dev cycle doesn't guarantee an outstanding experience (note: I have played none of these games, just going based on general perception), I think people start to lose some of the perspective.

Those games had really long dev cycles, but by the same token the games probably wouldn't have been any better had they been released sooner than they were.

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 30 octobre 2013 - 11:12 .

[NessCraig]

To fix the hunger compliaints I am making Dragon Age style cupcakes over here at my house right now. Everyone is welcome.

What I hear is that someone misspoke in an interview and everyone is freaking out about it. Fall 2014 seems to be the date that the game will be published and we all will survive until then.

[Rolling Flame]

I don't want to come off as snide, but does an autumn release mean an unpolished game?

[MissCurlsbel]

Ah, but these threads do make me chuckle.

You really believe that a release date being delayed means you'll get more stuff? If that were to happen, it means production is behind schedule. It means cutting stuff out, not adding.

Has Bioware even released an offcial announcement to create such chatter? If not, what's with the sudden anxiouness I'm witnessing?

[wolfhowwl]

MissCurlsbel wrote...

Ah, but these threads do make me chuckle.

You really believe that a release date being delayed means you'll get more stuff? If that were to happen, it means production is behind schedule. It means cutting stuff out, not adding.

Has Bioware even released an offcial announcement to create such chatter? If not, what's with the sudden anxiouness I'm witnessing?

EA's CFO told investors that he expects that they "would most likely, possibly have Dragon Age next year."

[MissCurlsbel]

wolfhowwl wrote...

EA's CFO told investors that he expects that they "would most likely, possibly have Dragon Age next year."

Not Bioware. No official announcement has been made to the press or on Bioware's Dragon Age Inquisition page or anywhere else.

Sometimes, these boards make me feel like I'm back in high school, when rumours are told so often, people actually start believing them to be true, without actually talking or receiving official confirmation from the sources.

[Br3admax]

Are we seriously making swipes at one of the few devs that actually frequently talks to us?

[Stakrin]

I hope that we can tame a dragon and keep it as a mount/10th party member.
Since I doubt that is currently in the game.

[Silfren]

Trista Hawke wrote...

Shark17676 wrote...

Trista Hawke wrote...

Shark17676 wrote...

I super excited to play Inquisition, too...but really, I'd much, much, much rather them push the game back in order to iron it out than rush it for an earlier release and force them to cut corners.

Remember, good things come to those who wait, y'all.

 

Well, apparently they don't if you read Gaider's comment on the first page of the thread. 

Aye, I'm aware of and understand what he's saying.  Sometimes additional content has to get cut for various reasons and that requires more time to trim the fat, so to speak.  It sucks to lose that extra content, but c'est la vie.

What I meant by "I want them to iron things out and not cut corners" is that I don't want them giving us a game full of bugs.  Nothing is more immersion-breaking for me than a glitchy game.

 

That is too true.

But I really would not want to lose content in addition to waiting. That also seems counterproductive to the whole waiting aspect. Gaider explained it, but I find it hard to believe that cutting content is the only option. If content is cut then, well, Bioware is just shooting themselves in the foot. They'll likely lose a lot of fans who are still butthurt over DA2. 

I'm not sure you understand the point.  If the game that is currently being made were deemed not ready for the original Fall 2014 release and it had to be pushed back, that extra time would have to go for polishing the existing game, which would include cutting bits that were unfinished, etc.  This is why you can hardly expect it to mean they'd be able to use that extra time to add to the game...they'd be scrambling as it is just to finish the existing product.  Among other things, that would mean that any unfinished content that had to be cut would also require tweaking other bits so that the now-cut content doesn't make the rest of the game awkward or inconsistent. 

That said, I think you read far too much into the article.  As it stands, the article is just saying that a Fall 2014 release is still the most likely outcome, while giving themselves an out if it happens that they turn out to be wrong.

Why do you find it hard to believe that cutting content would be the only option? 

Modifié par Silfren, 31 octobre 2013 - 02:17 .

[Silfren]

Trista Hawke wrote...

MissCurlsbel wrote...

Ah, but these threads do make me chuckle.

You really believe that a release date being delayed means you'll get more stuff? If that were to happen, it means production is behind schedule. It means cutting stuff out, not adding.

Has Bioware even released an offcial announcement to create such chatter? If not, what's with the sudden anxiouness I'm witnessing?

 

You know what? I'm getting tired of this snotty attitude (in general). I made the thread for fun.  Gaider already came tromping through here with his, "OMG you are so not getting extra prezzies!" as if these threads even influence a thing. I thought this would just be for fun.

Gaider was quite calm and civil, actually, in setting you straight on the reality of the situation.  I can understand his reasoning, too.  People DO see threads like these and put more weight in them than is warranted.  I can see why people would address your OP as if they did actually think an extended release date might mean added content.  You certainly did, after all, and phrased your OP accordingly.  There's even one poster in here offering "advice" to the Devs.

This is just a thread, on the internet, for fun - for geeking out over add-ons  to consider for Dragon Age Inquisition. I can't believe how threatened some people are by that. What a ridiculous thing!

That may be what you're saying now, but your OP reads as if you think that a possible extension means that Bioware would have extra time and money to expand the game and would look at this thread to see what additional content fans might want, and consider implementing it.  Nobody is threatened by it, they're just trying to make you realize that it's not the way it works.

Modifié par Silfren, 31 octobre 2013 - 02:32 .

[LystAP]

Silfren wrote...

Trista Hawke wrote...

Shark17676 wrote...

Trista Hawke wrote...

Shark17676 wrote...

I super excited to play Inquisition, too...but really, I'd much, much, much rather them push the game back in order to iron it out than rush it for an earlier release and force them to cut corners.

Remember, good things come to those who wait, y'all.

 

Well, apparently they don't if you read Gaider's comment on the first page of the thread. 

Aye, I'm aware of and understand what he's saying.  Sometimes additional content has to get cut for various reasons and that requires more time to trim the fat, so to speak.  It sucks to lose that extra content, but c'est la vie.

What I meant by "I want them to iron things out and not cut corners" is that I don't want them giving us a game full of bugs.  Nothing is more immersion-breaking for me than a glitchy game.

 

That is too true.

But I really would not want to lose content in addition to waiting. That also seems counterproductive to the whole waiting aspect. Gaider explained it, but I find it hard to believe that cutting content is the only option. If content is cut then, well, Bioware is just shooting themselves in the foot. They'll likely lose a lot of fans who are still butthurt over DA2. 

I'm not sure you understand the point.  If the game that is currently being made were deemed not ready for the original Fall 2014 release and it had to be pushed back, that extra time would have to go for polishing the existing game, which would include cutting bits that were unfinished, etc.  This is why you can hardly expect it to mean they'd be able to use that extra time to add to the game...they'd be scrambling as it is just to finish the existing product.  Among other things, that would mean that any unfinished content that had to be cut would also require tweaking other bits so that the now-cut content doesn't make the rest of the game awkward or inconsistent. 

That said, I think you read far too much into the article.  As it stands, the article is just saying that a Fall 2014 release is still the most likely outcome, while giving themselves an out if it happens that they turn out to be wrong.

Why do you find it hard to believe that cutting content would be the only option? 

Well, it's either that or another potential ME3 controversy.

[slimgrin]

The Wolf Man wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Are we seriously making swipes at one of the few devs that actually frequently talks to us?

 

Pff. Define "talk". Gaider is rude when he decides to troll a thread. Someone even called him out on it earlier in this thread.  

BSN is a cesspool. 

May as well lock this thread because there's no point in the OP anymore. Everyone's just comin' on here saying the same old sh*t:

"THIS THREAD ALREADY EXISTS!" 

and "OMFG are you stupid? DID YOU NOT EARN YOUR GAMING INDUSTRY BUSINESS DEGREE? LOL NEWB."

And Gaider's usual attitude, which is rude, unpleasant, and probably one of the best examples of how *not* to represent your company's image. Sheep will be sheep and they will let a guy talk down on them just so they can bask in his snark-laden glory. Masochists.

You sir, don't mince words.

[Silfren]

[quote]The Wolf Man wrote...

[quote]Br3ad wrote...

Are we seriously making swipes at one of the few devs that actually frequently talks to us? [/quote] 

Pff. Define "talk". Gaider is rude when he decides to troll a thread. Someone even called him out on it earlier in this thread.[/quote]

Except that he wasn't trolling and he wasn't being rude.[/quote]

[dreamgazer]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Gaider is just honest tbh

Yup.

[Br3admax]

Gaider, while not always my favorite writer, is a pretty cool dude, and no one should have to give smiles and lie to us to gain our trust and hard earned money. Him being honest and wanting to get a story across is one of the reasons that I still buy BioWare products even though I may not agree with the quality on all parts. I also fail to see how he is trolling by not answering the OP with, "Yes, we're sorry, Master-Fans. We'll do better next time. Don't hurt us."

[MissCurlsbel]

Dear OP,

I had absolutely no ill intent in my comments. I recognize they come off as passionate but, so is my nature in what game industry matters are concerned. This has been a double-edged sword for me in more situations than I care to admit and, upon reading your original post I responded with what I believed to be the most rational and, obvious answer to the question being asked on your original post.

I regret that you found it came of as "snotty", as you put it, and thus present my apologies.

I cannot, however, guess at the true nature of a post unless there's evidence to its seriousness or not. I skimmed through what other people had said and, taking into account it was being taken seriously, I responded accordingly.

I am sorry if you felt prejudice towards what I've said but, I really meant no harm, only to share my point of view, has others have done before me.

As for your original question, if there was a chance at adding stuff to the game, I would be glad if we could see what merging spells would result in (for example, what would happen if you cast a frost spell and then added lightning to it, scientifically speaking?).
If not on this game, maybe on the next one, who knows?

[MissCurlsbel]

Filament wrote...

If you had to explain the process to her, how would the question be disingenuous? It would simply be ignorant. I don't see the need to throw this kind of accusation around without giving the benefit of the doubt first.

I believe Mr. Gaider only meant to educate on this one. I don't think he meant any harm by it...

[Star fury]

The Wolf Man wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Are we seriously making swipes at one of the few devs that actually frequently talks to us?

 

Pff. Define "talk". Gaider is rude when he decides to troll a thread. Someone even called him out on it earlier in this thread.  

BSN is a cesspool. 

May as well lock this thread because there's no point in the OP anymore. Everyone's just comin' on here saying the same old sh*t:

"THIS THREAD ALREADY EXISTS!" 

and "OMFG are you stupid? DID YOU NOT EARN YOUR GAMING INDUSTRY BUSINESS DEGREE? LOL NEWB."

And Gaider's usual attitude, which is rude, unpleasant, and probably one of the best examples of how *not* to represent your company's image. Sheep will be sheep and they will let a guy talk down on them just so they can bask in his snark-laden glory. Masochists.

David Gaider wasn't rude, if you're so sensitive, prepare to be constantly frustrated on the Internet. And yes, the same thread does exist.

[TEWR]

David Gaider wrote...

Trista Hawke wrote...
But I really would not want to lose content in addition to waiting.

The march towards release involves cuts for every game, including every one we've made to date. There have always been cuts. All I was saying is that, were the date to slip, it would be because that process is ongoing-- we would be trying to finish the game, not adding in new content. That's called scope creep.

So asking "what ADDITIONAL stuff would we get for waiting?" is disingenuous. Were a delay to occur, what you would end up getting is a polished game as opposed to an unpolished one.

Either way, it hasn't happened. Our release date has not changed. If I'm forced to, I will end the thread with that statement so people don't run around spreading misinformation to those who don't know any better.

Would it not be entirely possible to, while you're cutting the content (should the date get pushed back), shelve the ideas and revisit them as DLC?

Much like how you shelved, revisited, and tweaked things for the whole "Cailan and Celene" subplot.