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[jasonxxsatanna]

 I think Garrus followed by Ash ,Edi and then Liara.
Put the right gun in Garrus or Ash's hand (sniper rifles) and they lay waste to enemies , I recently started a play thur and rarely give Garrus the Mantis ....but I did this time and he was popping heads open,  Ash is good too but marksman is buggy, but she is effective Edi is good  , Liara always shoots and uses powers , but suffers from the Miranda Lawson thing ....where they run out into the middle of enemies and get killed.

James is tanky but never seems to shoot as much unless I equip him with the typhoon. Grunt was that way in ME2 , they tend to stay behind cover alot and not shoot often enough .

Kadian is ok , still not sure of his use in ME3, in ME1 I always used him , he covered all bases back then for hacking , electrical uses (shielding) and had biotics to boot.

Javik is the same as Liara , but seems to shoot more than use , his powers so I micro manage him as well as Liara.

Tali I place her in the same place as Kadian , I never really used her much throughout  any of the games to much when I do I micro manage her too.

So , I would like to know what others think are the best squad mates.... the ones you feel excel.

[zuckendesfleish]

I always pick Liara even when I'm not playing with a biotic Shep (Vanguard/Adept/Sentinel).
Her cooldown is super-low so you can constantly make her use powers. Stasis/Singularity are great for weaker enemies, warp can weaken armor and detonate all power combos. She's a no-brainer for my Sheps

[capn233]

Liara is probably the best all around.

Garrus and Ash benefited greatly from the change to tech explosions, and CS being able to detonate easy FE's. Ash also has Inferno Grenades, while Garrus has Overload and Proxi.

Javik is also good. Liara and Javik are probably the most powerful pair with a biotic Shepard.

EDI is ok.

Tali has a fairly poor skillset. She is probably tied with James for least useful.

Kaidan is usually dead for me, but he is probably between EDI and Garrus.

[cap and gown]

Who is Shepard? Who is he fighting? My team mates will vary based on those two variables.

Tali, the ultimate Geth fighter. I also like her for Cat6. Her cool down on energy drain is phenomenal.

Beyond that it will depend a lot on Shepard. I have been mostly playing a Sentinel lately, with a little Vanguard thrown in just to give it a try. With that in mind:

EDI is good with area incinerate which creates a massive explosion when combined with chain overload. I like to use her against both Cerberus and Reapers. I have used her against Geth, but Ashley and Garrus have quicker cool downs on concussive shot.

Liara is my go-to team mate against Cerberus. She singularity's, Shepard throws. Or if I am a Vanguard, she singularity's, Shepard charges. On Eden Prime, even on insanity, I am pretty sure just me and Liara would be sufficient. She pops out singularities so fast no one gets by us. Her Warp is pretty good at 6.5 seconds as well. I do not spec her into stasis: too long a cool down for too little payback.

For a Biotic partner against Reapers I like either Kaiden, if he is available, or Javik. With Kaiden I focus on using his area Reeve to set up combos with Throw. Javik's pull is almost as good as Liara's singularity. It's down side is the enemies caught in the pull field may end up behind cover where I cannot get to them with Throw, whereas Singularity dangles them in the air making them easier targets. Javik's upside is his durability compared to Liara and the fact that he can use the Typhoon. Really, Liara, Javik, and Kaiden all make good team mates if Shep is a Sentinel or Vanguard. (Don't really know about adept. Can't bring myself to play adept in ME3 because I feel outclassed by Liara's insta-hit singularity. Loved playing an Adept in ME2, though.)

I used to never use Ashley, but specced for maximum weapon damage and assault rifle damage she is quite deadly. Good against Geth with disruptor ammo. Good against Reapers with incendiary grenades for a combo with chain overload. Nice 6.5 second cool down on concussive shot.

Garrus and Liara make a great anti-Cerberus team. Garrus can overload shields, has great sniper rifle damage, and a quick cool down on concussive shot. Liara can crowd control while Garrus helps strip/combo.

I used to use James against Reapers. My anti-Reaper team used to be EDI and James. But as I learned more about my team mates strengths and got "From Ashes", James ended up on the side lines. I did just take him on the Dreadnaught mission, but that was for the dialogue, not his skill set.

And for Citadel I just love playing with Wrex. I just laugh and laugh and laugh as he charges around the room while I just try to keep up.

Modifié par cap and gown, 30 octobre 2013 - 06:24 .

[jasonxxsatanna]

cap and gown wrote...

Who is Shepard? Who is he fighting? My team mates will vary based on those two variables.

Tali, the ultimate Geth fighter. I also like her for Cat6. Her cool down on energy drain is phenomenal.

Beyond that it will depend a lot on Shepard. I have been mostly playing a Sentinel lately, with a little Vanguard thrown in just to give it a try. With that in mind:

EDI is good with area incinerate which creates a massive explosion when combined with chain overload. I like to use her against both Cerberus and Reapers. I have used her against Geth, but Ashley and Garrus have quicker cool downs on concussive shot.

Liara is my go-to team mate against Cerberus. She singularity's, Shepard throws. Or if I am a Vanguard, she singularity's, Shepard charges. On Eden Prime, even on insanity, I am pretty sure just me and Liara would be sufficient. She pops out singularities so fast no one gets by us. Her Warp is pretty good at 6.5 seconds as well. I do not spec her into stasis: too long a cool down for too little payback.

For a Biotic partner against Reapers I like either Kaiden, if he is available, or Javik. With Kaiden I focus on using his area Reeve to set up combos with Throw. Javik's pull is almost as good as Liara's singularity. It's down side is the enemies caught in the pull field may end up behind cover where I cannot get to them with Throw, whereas Singularity dangles them in the air making them easier targets. Javik's upside is his durability compared to Liara and the fact that he can use the Typhoon. Really, Liara, Javik, and Kaiden all make good team mates if Shep is a Sentinel or Vanguard. (Don't really know about adept. Can't bring myself to play adept in ME3 because I feel outclassed by Liara's insta-hit singularity. Loved playing an Adept in ME2, though.)

I used to never use Ashley, but specced for maximum weapon damage and assault rifle damage she is quite deadly. Good against Geth with disruptor ammo. Good against Reapers with incendiary grenades for a combo with chain overload. Nice 6.5 second cool down on concussive shot.

Garrus and Liara make a great anti-Cerberus team. Garrus can overload shields, has great sniper rifle damage, and a quick cool down on concussive shot. Liara can crowd control while Garrus helps strip/combo.

I used to use James against Reapers. My anti-Reaper team used to be EDI and James. But as I learned more about my team mates strengths and got "From Ashes", James ended up on the side lines. I did just take him on the Dreadnaught mission, but that was for the dialogue, not his skill set.

And for Citadel I just love playing with Wrex. I just laugh and laugh and laugh as he charges around the room while I just try to keep up.

I agree ,Wrex is great and has me laughing also.......
I just love taking Garrus now , I guess because I didn't use him as much as I do now ,I just love hearing the Mantis split heads open , he seems to fire more often depending on what weapon, I usual give him all Turain weapons  but now I give him the Argus and keep the Mantis on him , going to see how the Argus works with him.

[capn233]

Argus isn't really all that great when used by the squad.

[Ribosome]

What I find most effective is to load up on as many biotics as possible, so Liara is an auto-include for most missions because singularity and stasis bubbles keep weaker enemies contained while another one of us detonates them. Up until the citadel coup, I usually have Javik take the second spot because his DoT attack synergizes well with Vanguards and he has lift grenades to spam on the clusters of enemies that Liara has controlled. After that mission I usually alternate between Javik and Kaidan depending on the mission (i.e. if I feel Overload is needed). So I'd probably say they're tied for effectiveness for me at least, since they both bring a lot to the table. They both can use assault rifles which just makes it all the better.

Garrus has a pretty great skillset too, I like occasionally bringing him to mix things up. I feel like I only ever use him for Overload and his crazy weapon damage but his other talents aren't to be underlooked.

Tali and EDI........I love them but their combat capabilities are so mediocre so I only ever see them in the squad when the game gives me no other choice. James gets relegated to permanent Normandy duty once I acquire more than two squadmates because I just really don't like the guy at all, and Ash is almost never alive in my playthroughs She's probably a slight step below Garrus in terms of usefulness though.

Edit: For snipers on squadmates, go Javelin or go home.

Modifié par ViaNegativia, 30 octobre 2013 - 07:40 .

[cap and gown]

ViaNegativia wrote...

What I find most effective is to load up on as many biotics as possible,  ...snip...

Yeah, but you play as a Vanguard. Squad mate value changes if you are a straight techie or a mix like Sentinel.

[jasonxxsatanna]

capn233 wrote...

Argus isn't really all that great when used by the squad.

What is a good AR for Garrus?
I had orginal gave him the N7 Valkyrie, last night I changed it to the Argus ....

[cap and gown]

The Valkyrie is HORRIBLE!

See this thread for squad mate assualt rifle recommendations: http://social.biowar.../index/17183832

[jasonxxsatanna]

cap and gown wrote...

The Valkyrie is HORRIBLE!

See this thread for squad mate assualt rifle recommendations: http://social.biowar.../index/17183832

Thanks cap and gown , I will try out the typhoon with Garrus , I usually give it to James.
How is the Lancer on squaddies or the Harrier?

[capn233]

Typhoons is the best.

Harrier and Lancer are also both good.

Prothean Particle Rifle is also a good choice.

The next best assault rifle is probably actually the Revenant. Squad doesn't have to worry about recoil, and the yaw recoil is a big part of why it is inaccurate out of the box.

I usually let Garrus roll with a sniper though.

[RedCaesar97]

cap and gown wrote...
Who is Shepard? Who is he fighting? My team mates will vary based on those two variables.
<snip>

I am going to half-agree with cap and gown. The most effective squadmates depend on your class and, to a lesser extent, your playstyle.

Typically, you want squadmates that compliment your abilities to create explosions.

So I find:

A) Biotic Shepard (Adept, Vanguard, Sentinel):
1. Liara
2. Javik
3. Kaidan
4.
5. Tali
6. Garrus and EDI.
7. 
8. James.
9.
...
100. Ashley

Because; Biotics first, then shield strippers, then James (because Incendiary Ammo can be useful?), then never Ashley.
And as a Vanguard you may forget you even have squadmates.


Engineer Shepard:
1. Ashley
2. Tali
3. EDI
4. Garrus
5. Liara and Javik
6. Kaidan
7. James

Because Ashley, Tali and EDI work best with the Engineer's skillset, and Garrus is okay.
Liara and Javik can help occasionally with biotics that can disable enemies if you want.
Kaidan offers nothing that other squadmates do not already offer.
And James is worse.


C) Infiltrator Shepard:
Wait. I have squadmates?

Okay, I would probably rank squadmates based on a variation of the Engineer's preferences:
1. Tali
2. Garrus
3. Kaidan
4. EDI
5. Liara and Javik
6.
7. James
8.
9.
10. Ashley

Because Energy Drain and Overload fills a small gap in your native skillset. 
Liara and Javik can help occasionally with biotics that can disable enemies if you want. 
James offers nothing all that useful.
And Ashley has nothing of real value to the Infiltrator that you cannot do you cannot do yourself.

D) Soldier Shepard:
1. Garrus
2. Ashley
3. Tali and Liara and Javik
4.
5.
6. EDI and Kaidan
7.
8.
9. James

Because Amplified Concussive Shot with squad ammo. 
Biotics and tech can disable.
Overload if you want it.
And James has nothing you do not already have.


Of course, you could give the Typhoon to assault rifle-wielding squadmates but that is essentially cheating. I only use it to farm credits in the Armax Arsenal Arena (Citadel DLC).

Modifié par RedCaesar97, 30 octobre 2013 - 11:46 .

[brad2240]

Liara is probably the best all around: wickedly fast cooldowns, powers to neutralize anything smaller than a brute and debuff everything else. She can combo with herself so she always has something to do regardless of your Shepard's class or the other squadmate you bring.

This also happens to be why I don't bring her very much, especially when I'm playing an Adept. I found out real quick that she would become the focus of my gameplay without really even trying. Liara is too good, IMO. Plus, I just get annoyed sometimes at the way the game tries to shove her down my throat.

Garrus is incredibly effective with his trio of defense stripping, debuffing and high weapon damage. I freely admit he's my crutch, he has a place on just about any team on any mission. I miss him if I don't take him. 

James is underrated. I like James a lot. He's tough, he brings the best ammo power in the game and he requires little in the way of micromanagement to do his job. I use him a lot with all classes.

Ashley is a pretty good caster for a Soldier. Not many (any?) other squadmates can make two types of combo explosions on their own. Combine with high weapon damage and she puts out a lot of hurt. She's a constant with my male Shepards from the time she rejoins the crew. 

Kaiden is another underrated squadmate, just like he was in ME 1. Overload and Reave are always useful powers to have, but Cryo is dead weight for me more often than not. I'm torn on Barrier, it combined with Reave gives him some toughness but defense powers on squadmates suck because of their already long cooldowns,

Tali gets the award for "Most Improved." In ME 2 she never left the Normandy except for her own loyalty mission. Now I can take her and not feel like I'm handicapping myself. Energy Drain and Sabotage are good enough to make up for her lackluster Drones.

EDI is better than I originally gave her credit for... if you only spec for Overload and Incinerate. Defense Matrix cripples her and I just can't get any use out of Decoy to justify the points spent. She does pretty well in combat, but I still leave her behind more often than not just because I object to her inclusion as a squadmate in the first place.
If it's not obvious by now, I lean mostly toward the Soldier-type teammates. They're always effective for me, regardless of what class I play. My favorite team is Garrus and Ashley, or Garrus and James if Ash is not around. Their weapons and powers give me an answer for everything.

[cap and gown]

RedCaesar97 wrote...


And as a Vanguard you may forget you even have squadmates.

Indeed, controlling them seems nearly impossible since once you charge far enough away from them their last positioning order no longer applies and suddenly you find them right next to you. The game becomes rather amusing actually, as you charge around the battlefield, occasionally bumping into your squadies.

[billpickles]

Not sure why all the hate for James. My last playthrough was an Infiltrator with Inferno Nades as BP, and I took James on every mission. He is the only squaddie that can offer Squad Incendiary Ammo, the best ammo power in the game. He is also able to use the Typhoon, which is so good on squadmates that Shepard can just sit behind cover and watch if he so chooses. On Infiltrators and Engineers, I think he would be an excellent choice, especially if Fire Explosions are a focus of the build (which they were for me).

On console, where you can only map one squadmate power and have to use the pause feature for any others, I find that Liara loses some of her appeal. Not that she isn't a solid squadmate choice, but which power do you map? Stasis is cool but has the longest cooldown of her three active powers. Singularity is crazy-fast but is also ineffective on anything but the lowest level mooks until shields/barriers are stripped, and anything down to just health will be dead in seconds or fractions thereof anyway. So Warp then? Good all-purpose primer/detonator/debuffer for sure, but it's also not quite as amazing as it was in ME2.

So while it's just one opinion, I would rank James higher and Liara a touch lower than pretty much every response above.

[jasonxxsatanna]

RedCaesar97 wrote...

cap and gown wrote...
Who is Shepard? Who is he fighting? My team mates will vary based on those two variables.
<snip>

I am going to half-agree with cap and gown. The most effective squadmates depend on your class and, to a lesser extent, your playstyle.

Typically, you want squadmates that compliment your abilities to create explosions.

So I find:

A) Biotic Shepard (Adept, Vanguard, Sentinel):
1. Liara
2. Javik
3. Kaidan
4.
5. Tali
6. Garrus and EDI.
7. 
8. James.
9.
...
100. Ashley

Because; Biotics first, then shield strippers, then James (because Incendiary Ammo can be useful?), then never Ashley.
And as a Vanguard you may forget you even have squadmates.


Engineer Shepard:
1. Ashley
2. Tali
3. EDI
4. Garrus
5. Liara and Javik
6. Kaidan
7. James

Because Ashley, Tali and EDI work best with the Engineer's skillset, and Garrus is okay.
Liara and Javik can help occasionally with biotics that can disable enemies if you want.
Kaidan offers nothing that other squadmates do not already offer.
And James is worse.


C) Infiltrator Shepard:
Wait. I have squadmates?

Okay, I would probably rank squadmates based on a variation of the Engineer's preferences:
1. Tali
2. Garrus
3. Kaidan
4. EDI
5. Liara and Javik
6.
7. James
8.
9.
10. Ashley

Because Energy Drain and Overload fills a small gap in your native skillset. 
Liara and Javik can help occasionally with biotics that can disable enemies if you want. 
James offers nothing all that useful.
And Ashley has nothing of real value to the Infiltrator that you cannot do you cannot do yourself.

D) Soldier Shepard:
1. Garrus
2. Ashley
3. Tali and Liara and Javik
4.
5.
6. EDI and Kaidan
7.
8.
9. James

Because Amplified Concussive Shot with squad ammo. 
Biotics and tech can disable.
Overload if you want it.
And James has nothing you do not already have.


Of course, you could give the Typhoon to assault rifle-wielding squadmates but that is essentially cheating. I only use it to farm credits in the Armax Arsenal Arena (Citadel DLC).

I agree with your list .....i can't speak on the Inf. or  Eng. class yet have not played as either  yet for Shep in ME3 yet .....Soldier class is my fav  so have a soft spot for that class.

As for what bilpickles said about no love for James , I like him , I used him more when I played Sent. it just seems to me that he does not fire on enemies to often unless he uses the typhoon , he is hard to kill though , I had the same problem with Grunt in ME2 he stayed in cover and would not engage the enemy often enough , unless they came with in melee range then he would do the Krogan charge dance..... .

[cap and gown]

I found for my Sentinel that using Ash and James against the clone made the fight go faster than I have ever seen it. Basically, we just grenaded it into submission. One combo after the other. Overload, concusive shot. Inferno grenade, overload. Carnage, overload. If either was on cool down then, boom, grenade time. Otherwise power use.

[jasonxxsatanna]

its funny I never use to use Ash that often in ME1 since I played soldier or vanguard mostly but in ME3 I find her more useful for some reason

[Ice Cold J]

 Well, I'd say EDI because she can use incinerate and overload, so she can take down extra defenses and let my vanguard go to work.
Kaidan to a lesser extent with overload and Reave.

after them, any of Vega, Garrus, or Liara, since any one of them can take down one of the above mentioned extra defenses.

Javik is a monster against groups of non-sheilded foes. Ashley's great at long range combat. Tali is very specified agasint Geth and Cerebus. Her powers have little effect on the Reapers or Collectors (in Armax)

Thats my opinion. I've never seen anyone (save Garrus) do exceptional damage with any weapon I've given them, so I'm going on versatility and buffin/debuffing ability.

[capn233]

jasonxxsatanna wrote...

its funny I never use to use Ash that often in ME1 since I played soldier or vanguard mostly but in ME3 I find her more useful for some reason

In ME1 she was a pure tank, and her weapon damage output wasn't really that great until later when you get better weapons.

In this game she has a very good skillset and good weapon training.  Exception being Marksman, mainly because it is bugged.

[brad2240]

billpickles wrote...

On console, where you can only map one squadmate power and have to use the pause feature for any others, I find that Liara loses some of her appeal. Not that she isn't a solid squadmate choice, but which power do you map?

For my general Liara build, it's Singularity. That's the power you spam on mooks so it gets the most use by far. Stasis is more anti-Phantom than anything else and there's rarely a need to Warp anything less than a boss or elite-level enemy.

I should note that I always have a shield-stripper on my team. If for some reason I didn't, I would value Stasis more than Singularity.

jasonxxsatanna wrote...

its funny I never use to use Ash that often in ME1 since I played soldier or vanguard mostly but in ME3 I find her more useful for some reason

Ash in ME 1 was overshadowed by Wrex's immortality. I used her a lot because she was most often my LI and I like using my LI on my team as much as possible. Soldier Shep, Ash and Kaiden made a great team, until Virmire obviously.

When I play a Vanguard or an Adept, Ashley and Garrus are my go-to team. If you haven't tried out this combo, I recommend it.

ME 3 doesn't encourage a balanced squad the way ME 1 did and Ash can synergize with a Soldier Shep better than she could before. And in 3, the triple Soldier team makes for a very nasty death squad with any combination of Ash, James or Garrus.

[jasonxxsatanna]

capn233 wrote...

jasonxxsatanna wrote...

its funny I never use to use Ash that often in ME1 since I played soldier or vanguard mostly but in ME3 I find her more useful for some reason

In ME1 she was a pure tank, and her weapon damage output wasn't really that great until later when you get better weapons.

In this game she has a very good skillset and good weapon training.  Exception being Marksman, mainly because it is bugged.

Thats probably the reason I didn't use her back then , with me being a soldier or vang. back during ME1  Garrus took the role of sniper , most the time unless I felt the need , so Ash was rarely used, Kaidan was my go to followed by Garrus , Liara and Wrex.......Tali I used on Lunar base and sometimes on Noveria .....very limited on using her.

[jasonxxsatanna]

brad2240 wrote...

billpickles wrote...

On console, where you can only map one squadmate power and have to use the pause feature for any others, I find that Liara loses some of her appeal. Not that she isn't a solid squadmate choice, but which power do you map?

For my general Liara build, it's Singularity. That's the power you spam on mooks so it gets the most use by far. Stasis is more anti-Phantom than anything else and there's rarely a need to Warp anything less than a boss or elite-level enemy.

I should note that I always have a shield-stripper on my team. If for some reason I didn't, I would value Stasis more than Singularity.

jasonxxsatanna wrote...

its funny I never use to use Ash that often in ME1 since I played soldier or vanguard mostly but in ME3 I find her more useful for some reason

Ash in ME 1 was overshadowed by Wrex's immortality. I used her a lot because she was most often my LI and I like using my LI on my team as much as possible. Soldier Shep, Ash and Kaiden made a great team, until Virmire obviously.

When I play a Vanguard or an Adept, Ashley and Garrus are my go-to team. If you haven't tried out this combo, I recommend it.

ME 3 doesn't encourage a balanced squad the way ME 1 did and Ash can synergize with a Soldier Shep better than she could before. And in 3, the triple Soldier team makes for a very nasty death squad with any combination of Ash, James or Garrus.

I miss that , from ME1 where you needed to bring the right squad to fit with whatever class Shep you played .
Your right in ME3 as well as ME2 it didn't  matter who you bring really ,ME1 each squad member mainly engineer classed squadmates help with opening locked items or decoding or whatever.....hope it returns inthe next game

[cap and gown]

jasonxxsatanna wrote...

I miss that , from ME1 where you needed to bring the right squad to fit with whatever class Shep you played .
Your right in ME3 as well as ME2 it didn't  matter who you bring really ,ME1 each squad member mainly engineer classed squadmates help with opening locked items or decoding or whatever.....hope it returns inthe next game

I don't understand. As far as I can tell, everyone on this thread has emphasized the point that picking squad mates depends heavily on which class your Shepard is.