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[capn233]

Not everyone.

It mattered a lot more in ME1, especially early game.

For ME3 you can get away with a lot more combinations largely because Tech combos can be detonated by any direct damage power, and because the enemy types and compositions does not really punish certain squad compositions. Every squad member can be somewhat effective against every enemy.

ME2 was in between, although most squad members were best against one faction and not quite as good against others, with a couple exceptions.

[cap and gown]

Just give me ME3 Miranda and I am good to go. Who'd of thunk she could get any better than she was in ME2?

[jasonxxsatanna]

cap and gown wrote...

jasonxxsatanna wrote...

I miss that , from ME1 where you needed to bring the right squad to fit with whatever class Shep you played .
Your right in ME3 as well as ME2 it didn't  matter who you bring really ,ME1 each squad member mainly engineer classed squadmates help with opening locked items or decoding or whatever.....hope it returns inthe next game

I don't understand. As far as I can tell, everyone on this thread has emphasized the point that picking squad mates depends heavily on which class your Shepard is.

What I mean is ,as far as in ME1 say your Soldier Shep if you have a pod or safe that needs hacking you needed a squad mate that had that skill and it needed to be leveled up to do so or decoding certain things you needed to be a hacker or have a squadmate that was one .... in ME2 and ME3 having different squad do certain jobs is not as important and they only play a role in combat to do that skill they have .

It does help in the long run to bring the right team but you could actual play without  team mates and do fine .
The support role they bring had more depth to me in ME1 .....Is what I was trying to say ....sorry if I didn't make it clear. 

[cap and gown]

Well, I couldn't do fine without my team. Well, at least the classes I have played the most: Engineer and Sentinel. I could see a Vanguard not needing a team. Maybe Soldiers too, if you are a good shot.

[brad2240]

cap and gown wrote...

I don't understand. As far as I can tell, everyone on this thread has emphasized the point that picking squad mates depends heavily on which class your Shepard is.

I gravitate towards Garrus and James, regardless of what class I'm playing. Ash takes over for James in the second half of the game if she's alive. I almost have to force myself to use the others. As opposed to ME 2, where I wanted all of them with me on every mission and I would often replay missions just to have different teammates with me.

Liara is over the top regardless of Shepard's class. She could solo the game for you if you wanted her to.

Kaiden fits onto any team because he can set up and detonate tech bursts or biotic combos.

EDI can handle any defense, but wants to combo with somebody to get the most out of each cast.

Tali works best with a tech Shepard that she can Sabotage for. Of them all, she's the only one who really has much in the way of dependence on Shepard's class and even that's fairly minor.

In ME 1, you were encouraged to have a tech for opening locks and biotics were just too good not to have on the team. In ME 2, every class except Sentinel had some kind of deficiency against one type of defense or another, so you wanted to take teammates to cover that weakness. ME 3 Shepard has no weakness. He either has the tools to remove/do extra damage to all defenses, or the ability to just power right through them, ie: biotic explosions vs. shields.

So squadmates don't really depend on Shep's class anymore. In some ways that's good because it gives you the freedom to take who you want without feeling like you're handicapping yourself out of a sense of loyalty. In some ways it's bad because it homogenizes the gameplay and further blurs the distinction between classes.

[cap and gown]

OK, I admit it, I am the worst ME player in the universe. I cannot play insanity without my squad, and I need a decent squad to do it.

[jasonxxsatanna]

I know yesterday , I was told to put the Typhoon and a nice sniper rifle for Garrus, what weapons are you guys using on Liara, Edi and Kaidan?
I would normally use the Hurricane and Scorpion for Liara and Edi, Kaidan the Valkyrie and Talon, but
my current play thur on Liara and Edi , its Blood pack weapons , are those good picks ?

[brad2240]

cap and gown wrote...

OK, I admit it, I am the worst ME player in the universe. I cannot play insanity without my squad, and I need a decent squad to do it.

Clearly you've never seen me trying to play a Vanguard.  

But no, trust me, you're not the worst. Just being on this board and finding out how the game actually works gives you a leg up on most players. Even if you feel you need the squad to make it, that's fine. It's a squad based game.

I'm curious as to how you build your Engineer and Sentinel, though, and which squadmates you felt were necessary to make those classes work.

[cap and gown]

Sentinel:
Throw: Force (didn't find radius to be useful), combo
Warp: Combo, Expose, Pierce
Tech Armor: durability (tried damage/radius for a while, found I didn't explode the armor much), power damage, durability
Overload: chain, neural shock, shield
Offensive Mastery: damage, weight, damage
Fitness: durability, squad, durability
Bonus: Armor Piercing or Dominate, depending on mission

Against Geth: Tali (Sabotage, Energy Drain > Overload), Ash, Garrus
Against Reapers: EDI (area incinerate > chain overload), Kaiden (area Reave > Throw), Javik (Typhoon, Pull, Dark Chanel > Throw)
Against Cerberus: Liara, EDI, Garrus
Against Cat6: Wrex, Tali, Ash/Kaiden, maybe Garrus.

Modifié par cap and gown, 31 octobre 2013 - 06:47 .

[brad2240]

That's almost exactly how I build my Sentinel. I usually go for Warp Ammo or Fortification for a bonus. I try to keep weight low and rarely carry more than one gun.

I spam Throw and Overload but kill more with my weapon than my powers, that's just my playstyle. I don't emphasize biotic explosions too much with a Sentinel, I save them for bosses mostly.

I use James and Garrus a lot in the first half of the game (sorry to repeat myself) for squad Incendiary and a second shield stripper. Second half is usually Garrus and the Virmire Survivor, when the game isn't forcing me to take someone else. No one else brings anything I can't live without.

Shepard should be doing the lion's share of the killing, regardless of what class you play or what teammates you bring. If this isn't happening, you may need to revise your approach to a given fight. Your build and basic tactics look solid to me.

Modifié par brad2240, 31 octobre 2013 - 11:02 .

[maaaad365]

Any team-mate with the ability to equip the Adas is god-like in single-player. Put incendiary ammo with damage over time on that and you don't have to fire one shot the whole game.

Modifié par maaaad365, 31 octobre 2013 - 11:21 .

[cap and gown]

When using Armor piercing ammo my usual load out is: Hurricane - Power magnifier, stability dampener; Eagle (early) - Power magnifier, extended barrel; Suppressor (later) - Power magnifier; extended clip. When using Dominate I go with Vindicator - stability dampener, piercing mod; Eagle - Power magnifier; piercing mod. Or possibly just the Valkyrie with piercing mod and extended clip. For the Coup I use the Raptor - concentration mod, extended barrel; and Eagle - power magnifier, extended barrel. Weight bonus is never less than 180%.

My guns do very little of the overall damage. I am very power and combo centered:

Y - throw (1.4 second cool down)
right bumper - overload (2.5 second cool down)
left bumper - warp (2.5 second cool down)

Overload is my most common power, which is why it is right above the trigger. Throw is second most used for combos. Warp is reserved for bosses.

Modifié par cap and gown, 31 octobre 2013 - 11:29 .

[RedCaesar97]

jasonxxsatanna wrote...

I know yesterday , I was told to put the Typhoon and a nice sniper rifle for Garrus, what weapons are you guys using on Liara, Edi and Kaidan?
I would normally use the Hurricane and Scorpion for Liara and Edi, Kaidan the Valkyrie and Talon, but
my current play thur on Liara and Edi , its Blood pack weapons , are those good picks ?

Those are good picks.
Personally, I just give them the Scorpion if they can use a pistol. It is good for the ocassional staggers to stop enemies from shooting you as often.

Quite frankly, it does not really matter what weapons you give your squad unless you are really trying to maximize their weapon damage output. 
I use squadmates for their power sets and not their weapons so their weapons are secondary to me. I find that even with the best weapons (Typhoon, Prothean Particle Rifle, Adas assault rifle), you as Shepard still kill faster and more often than your squadmates, unless you count power combos.

Modifié par RedCaesar97, 31 octobre 2013 - 11:36 .

[cap and gown]

Squad mate default weapons: (note, the only squad mate I actually have change weapons during a mission is Garrus)

EDI, Liara: Hurricane
Tali: Eagle (Dreadnaught), Suppressor (later). (For the ops center I have her switch to the Piranha)
Ash, James, Kaiden, Javik: Typhoon
Garrus: Viper, Typhoon
Wrex: Claymore with blade and extended barrel
Aria: Hurricane
Nyreen: Typhoon

Modifié par cap and gown, 31 octobre 2013 - 11:59 .

[jasonxxsatanna]

RedCaesar97 wrote...

jasonxxsatanna wrote...

I know yesterday , I was told to put the Typhoon and a nice sniper rifle for Garrus, what weapons are you guys using on Liara, Edi and Kaidan?
I would normally use the Hurricane and Scorpion for Liara and Edi, Kaidan the Valkyrie and Talon, but
my current play thur on Liara and Edi , its Blood pack weapons , are those good picks ?

Those are good picks.
Personally, I just give them the Scorpion if they can use a pistol. It is good for the ocassional staggers to stop enemies from shooting you as often.

Quite frankly, it does not really matter what weapons you give your squad unless you are really trying to maximize their weapon damage output. 
I use squadmates for their power sets and not their weapons so their weapons are secondary to me. I find that even with the best weapons (Typhoon, Prothean Particle Rifle, Adas assault rifle), you as Shepard still kill faster and more often than your squadmates, unless you count power combos.

Thanks Red , I 'm just trying new / different was of playing the game just to see how different it makes it .

[valium]

in ME3 every class is great and can deal with everything EZPZ on insanity, ME2 you kind of had to cover your weakness a bit. which usually meant bringing miranda, because miss perfect was perfect for every situation + squad bonuses.

on topic, garrus, with a sniper rifle and overload

[jasonxxsatanna]

valium wrote...

in ME3 every class is great and can deal with everything EZPZ on insanity, ME2 you kind of had to cover your weakness a bit. which usually meant bringing miranda, because miss perfect was perfect for every situation + squad bonuses.

on topic, garrus, with a sniper rifle and overload

I agree with you on both counts

[Darkstar Aurora]

I consider Liara and Tali the most effective in the campaign, due to their recharge speed and their numerous means of controlling the battlefield with their powers.

Aria and Nyreen are the most effective on Omega...though they are without peer, both in terms of no options and simply because they are awesome.

Jack and Samara are the most effective in Armax Arsenal Arena; Jack is the most powerful biotic team member in the trilogy at this point, and Samara is the perfect compliment being the only squadmate with Throw.

Wrex I think would have been the most fun, though he was somewhat disapointing due to his grenade/pack supply being rapidly depleted by his combat scripting.

Modifié par Darkstar Aurora, 24 novembre 2013 - 04:39 .

[themikefest]

For ME3 Ashley/Kaidan and James

For the trilogy Ashley/Kaidan, James, Miranda and Zaeed

[MassivelyEffective0730]

ME1: Jenkins

ME2: Everyone except Tali and Garrus.

ME3: James and Javik.

[2Pac]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

ME1: Jenkins

ME2: Everyone except Tali and Garrus.

ME3: James and Javik.

No.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

alliance commander wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

ME1: Jenkins

ME2: Everyone except Tali and Garrus.

ME3: James and Javik.

No.

Yes.

I'll concede some for ME2

Drop Jack and Morinth. Then you have a better team.

[spockjedi]

If you don't have ammo powers, James with squad Incendiary Ammo.
For the rest, Kaidan.

[Daemul]

I am someone who doesn't really need squadmates tbh, even on Insanity, to the extent that when they go down I don't even bother reviving them, I just solo the rest of the wave myself. Then again, I usually play as a Vanguard or Sentinel, two of the best classes, so it may be different if I played as an Engineer, which I really must do one of these days.

Since the squad I pick really doesn't matter to me, I usually take my characters LI, Liara for Femshep and Ashley for Maleshep, then for the 2nd spot I just take who I feel like taking at that time. They are all useful in their own way, I wouldn't say one is better than the other, they are each the best at something.