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[odddaughter90]

that is beginning to think, the one character that will roll over into the expansion, will be dog?

I mean, he's a mabari, and unless he got killed (nothing has said he died so far), logically he'd still be with the warden, if you transfered yours over and were the noble, or took dog when you found him.

Sure, I mean, I'd love to see Leliana, or ogren or another such party member be the reappearing one, but logically speaking... it just seems like thats what will happen.

Agree? Disagree? Why or why not.

[spiritage]

oghren is in the trailer.

[EthanDirtch]

Logically speaking, the dog is the most likely. Strictly within fiction, if you survived the Archdemon fight the dog would stay with you. Of course, it's also possible the dog left with Sten (just assuming from the epilogue scene if you survived the Archdemon fight).



I'm not sure, though. I mean, because of how logically sound this scenario is it automatically becomes the easy answer. I guess it really depends. I doubt the dog would show, for instance, if you chose to start over as an Orlesian warden.

[beelzeybob]

The old favorite doesn't have to be a playable character.

[StayPuftGiant]

I don't like Dog all that much. Reason being, he can't weild a two-handed Battle Axe and wear the Legion of the Dead armour.

[slimboiphatz]

but during your romance with leliana she asks you if you would like to to travel with you, or something like that, so why is it that it would only be the dog carrying over, why not leliana

[odddaughter90]

personally, I'd prefer if anyone but dog carried over. Dog was only like, level 12, when everyone else was much higher (possibly due to a leveling glitch that let me hit lvl 20 before the end of ostagar) and therefore was useless as a party member in comparison to, say, sten for instance.



not to mention, ogren said he'd be open to 'adventure' with you in a few months, which is how long awakening seems to take place after. Leliana goes with you (if you romance her) to restart the wardens, etc.



I'm just hoping they don't write it off as something as simple as "Lul Allistair was the one we brought back, we didnt say the favorite member would be playable." And should they choose to bring back a different member than dog (I hope they do), I want atleast some sorta reasoning/explanation as to what happened to dog. Just so I get some closure on the matter and its not like, the end of the game and you finally wonder "what happened to dog" and he runs into the room.

[beelzeybob]

slimboiphatz wrote...

but during your romance with leliana she asks you if you would like to to travel with you, or something like that, so why is it that it would only be the dog carrying over, why not leliana

Leliana isn't the only romantic companion that travels with you if you love them. In fact, the only one who leaves you is Morrigan.

• Leliana is killable at the ashes of Andraste and technically if you let Marjoliene free
• 
  Morrigan isn't killable, but she's in Orlais preggers or not.
• Alistair is killable @ the landsmeet
• Zevran is killable when you meet him/Personal Quest
• 
  Oghren is killable if you embarass him with his girlfriend
• 
  Wyne is killable @ magetower/Ashes of Andraste
• Shale is killable if you side with Branka during the Paragon of her kind quest
• Sten is killable at Haven

And dog is killable before you get him.. but when he joins you he never leaves

[SusanStoHelit]

Yep. You can kill Dog in Ostagar - or just never take the quest. Not everyone has Dog. Human Nobles get him automatically - for everyone else he's optional.

[Posioned]

I still don't see how just because a character is "killable" disqualifies them. As I have previously read they have said that what you've done (I think in the end mostly) will affect things.

Modifié par Posioned, 20 janvier 2010 - 05:20 .

[beelzeybob]

 An interesting note though, the Return to Ostagar expansion gives you redemption for getting dog again... No other companion has been given that to date (maybe return to Lothering? )

But it's almost like they are trying to force dog on us. 

[SusanStoHelit]

Posioned wrote...

I still don't see how just because a character is "killable" disqualifies them. As I have previously read they have said that what you've done (I think in the end mostly) will affect things.

It's because if they died for some people, they can't be the new companion. The one companion should be someone who can be carried over from everyone's games - or that's the theory. Bioware is unlikely to include a version for every companion, and you get to pick the one that you want, who survived for you. That would be prohibitively expensive.

If Dog died in my game - how can he be the companion? Same for all the others. Since if they're only including one, the same one for everyone, then that one has to survive in everyone's game. Which makes some sure that it was an npc - not a companion. Because all the companions are missing or dead in someone's game.

[beelzeybob]

Technically Morrigan can't be missing. But it's unlikely she will show her face in DA:A.

EDIT: also with her ****y attitude, it's unlikely she's a majority "favorite" 

Modifié par 13eelzebub, 20 janvier 2010 - 05:29 .

[Ecael]

Posioned wrote...

I still don't see how just because a character is "killable" disqualifies them. As I have previously read they have said that what you've done (I think in the end mostly) will affect things.

If they're killable in the plot, they won't get a major part in the next game/expansion, if any. Ashley, Kaidan and Wrex have minor parts in Mass Effect 2 because they were killable and won't show up on some people's save files.

Sten is killable by leaving him in Lothering
Leliana is killable by leaving her in Lothering or by killing her at the Urn
Wynne is killable by siding with the Cullen or by killing her at the Urn
Alistair is killable by execution or by sacrificing himself for the Archdemon
Loghain is killable by execution or by sacrificing himself for the Archdemon
Shale is killable by siding with Branka and killing her at the Anvil or in camp
Zevran is killable by executing him when he first attacks or when he sides with Taliesen

Morrigan and Oghren are the only two that can't die - they can only leave your party. With Return to Ostagar, Dog probably can't be scripted out, although the PC sacrificing himself in the end can cause complications if he's imprinted to the PC. It's likely that Oghren is set up to return in the expansion while Morrigan will be a major villain (or ally-turned-villain or villain-turned-ally) when Dragon Age starts to focus primarily on the Orlesian continent.

Modifié par Ecael, 20 janvier 2010 - 05:37 .

[odddaughter90]

sadly, Im beginning to think that oghren is the returning character, which leaves open holes, but you guys do raise good points.



Not to mention, I suppose it was mostly just wishful thinking that the red headed dwarf in the DA:A trailer wasn't oghren.



But if the returning character is a "majority favorite," can you reall consider someone the majority favorite, simply because the majority had nothing bad to say about him?



I mean, I didn't find him annoying, but I sure as hell didn't find him engaging, mostly because he doesnt have ovaries, or (in my opinion) hilarious.

[Treason1]

Everyone keeps claiming it's Ohgren, based off of the brief, couple minutes trailer for the expansion.



I've watched over and over again, and if you want to claim that the red-haired dwarf proves that it's him, then I'll counter that with saying that ALISTAIR was shown with far more recognition, so why can't it be him?



In response to the OP, I, too, started thinking that the "old favorite" come back as the single companion from the game that you can carry over into the expansion, will be "Dog."

[slimboiphatz]

i would love to see morrigan com back as a party member but thats probably wishful thinking for me

[errant_knight]

odddaughter90 wrote...

personally, I'd prefer if anyone but dog carried over. Dog was only like, level 12, when everyone else was much higher (possibly due to a leveling glitch that let me hit lvl 20 before the end of ostagar) and therefore was useless as a party member in comparison to, say, sten for instance.

not to mention, ogren said he'd be open to 'adventure' with you in a few months, which is how long awakening seems to take place after. Leliana goes with you (if you romance her) to restart the wardens, etc.

I'm just hoping they don't write it off as something as simple as "Lul Allistair was the one we brought back, we didnt say the favorite member would be playable." And should they choose to bring back a different member than dog (I hope they do), I want atleast some sorta reasoning/explanation as to what happened to dog. Just so I get some closure on the matter and its not like, the end of the game and you finally wonder "what happened to dog" and he runs into the room.

Dog should have leveled up with the rest of your party....

[beelzeybob]

Whoever that red headed dwarf we saw in the Trailer was, we can tell a  few things;

-He is a berserker (though this is common among dwarven warriors)
-He's definitely not a PC

I'm actually starting to doubt he is Oghren tbh, after catching picture 2 (Note that his beard isn't the same exact one Oghren has. Perhaps it's his relative? 

[Treason1]

13eelzebub, thank you for the screen shots. I'd caught the first and third scenes with little difficulty, but the second flashed by too fast (and my attention was focused on the dragon) to see the red hair and such.

I can now understand why people assume Ohgren will be returning. There is indeed a striking resemblance to him. Still, I'm not convinced. There were a good number of red-haired dwarves in Orzammar and any of them could have decided to join...Heck, this dude we're seeing could be from Kal Sharok, for all we know.

Modifié par Treason1, 20 janvier 2010 - 04:25 .