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CrashUrStox wrote...

I didn't spend a dime on micro-transactions and I have a maxed manifest (which I started in February, so I'm not exactly an old-timer). I also didn't have to spend a dime on DLC. From where I'm standing, letting others spend their money on microtransactions so the rest of us don't have to buy DLC looks like the best option to me, ESPECIALLY considering those people obviously wanted to buy the microtransactions. If I did have to buy the DLC, I probably wouldn't have it because I wouldn't want to spend over 100 bucks on a game. 


Some people were saying that if people didn't spend money to buy packs there would be no free DLC.

That would be someone as you as well.

I'm saying that if everyone coughed up (actually wanted to pay for the product they are using)... We wouldn't need free DLC or an RNG, because it would be paid and bioware get their due.


Some people have a somewhat irrational fear or opposition to DLC or microtransactions. In older days we had expansion packs. Somewhat more or less based around the fact that you had to use another cd or dvd with a game. That was X amount mb available for room.

An expansionpack could thus be upto the same amount of content as the original game. Meaning it should be priced around the price of a new game. Usually though the reuse of existing material (the game engine was allready made and reuse of art assets) allowed for a lower price.  

Today they just offer a wider range of "expansion" to the game. From funny hats, clothes, weapons, armor to new maps to entire campaigns, because most of us can just download it.

There is nothing wrong with a company wanting to sell a hat in a game. If it's 20 bucks I personally will say no, if it's 50 cents-1 dollar and I find it so hilarious that I'll laugh the first 20 times I see it on my char I might buy it.

It lets me play my game as I want to and spend money accordingly.

An RNG based store or random drops... Is a hindrance... to letting me play my game my way. "Want a black widow?" "Too bad here's a sabre instead".


As it is, bioware have made very very little money from me (or you) on the RNG store. If I could have been sure to get the weapon, gear and classes I wanted from packs. I'd allmost certainly have spent some money to get them.

As pretty much everywhere else, I don't mind paying for a product that I'm getting and it's certainly preferable to getting "free stuff", that someone else had to pay for and I'm supposed to feel gratefull towards not only the company, but also the other people.

PS: Imagine if say: the omega dlc, had been equally RNG based. Every auto save you'd have to throw dice til you hit 6 sixes... Till then you couldn't advance in the game.

PPS: I don't people buying the packs. It's their money and they can do what they want with them. It's just not for me and I'd much rather have had a different kind of store.

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#252
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Dala Kaar wrote...

Knockingbr4in wrote...

cowwy wrote...

Tokenusername wrote...

cowwy wrote...

I knew this was going to happen with this thread. It always does...

BSN needs better fodder though, something like the Wraith is better than Claymore thread.

BSN has needs, and if these needs are not meet they overflow in unexpected ways. Like the Reapers, BSN must purge itself every few months. It doesn't matter what the thread is, BSN has to spew its bile all over something or it'll get sick trying to hold it in.


We need some good new trolls. That one Anarchy dude was doing a decent job for awhile rustling peoples' jimmies but I feel like the quality of trolling on the BSN has declined dramatically. Probably sometime around when the new mods came around.

Also from what little of this thread I read it appears people have some serious reading comprehension issues. Par for the course I s'pose.


This is the Internets. Did you expect anything less?


He did say par for the course. You inebriated donkey punch. You walk like a chicken and your mother's chocolate chip cookies smell like rice.


You have me sorry for not knowing every idioms in existance, english isn't my native language. :/

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Neither of you have done better than "inebriated donkey punch".

Close though.

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Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

It's almost impossible to answer you, because everything you say is wrong.

You don't understand the words that you are using, and you are throwing around accusations without having any idea what you are talking about.

I do not hack. I have never cheated at Mass Effect. Nor did I ever claim ANY of the things you said in your post.

- I never said I hated Mass Effect

- I never said I hated earning my manifest

- I never claimed cheating is okay

- I never claimed I was forced to do anything

- I never said hacking was legit.

- I never said I hacked

- I never said stealing had no impact on people.

I was pointing out that your arguments are illogical. I attempted to explain the spuriousness of blaming the players for a problem created by the company.

You are in fact arguing with yourself, and putting a WHOLE LOT of words in my mouth. Don't be too surprised if I don't bother answering you, anymore.

i found i miss it, i try to understand what you say

actually i did not say most of the never point you mentioned
i only say parts of them you can do it, but not necessary you did it already.
like you can hate RNG, or you can play the game to get manifest.
but i never said you did it before . the you refere to anyone
especially i never accuse anyone pointing out their name and say he is cheater

in short ,i concluded
what you try to say is i am blaming the players for a problem created by the company?
i am saying the cheaters not players. totally different

you want to say RNG is a major problems for the game life cycle being shorten?
i explained how RNG is a widely use system in many games and it give huge amount of profit to the game companies
what i mean does not only refer to mass effect. RNG may be part of the problems but not the only reasons

some people may be frustrated by RNG and left the game.
But if you compared to every one cheat to get max manifest in game, cheater is obviously a major reason to make game life cycle shoreten in this specific case.

though you never answer, whatsoever, i just explain.

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Dala Kaar wrote...

Neither of you have done better than "inebriated donkey punch".

Close though.

I don't what wanna talk to you no more, you empty head animal food trough water.

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Knockingbr4in wrote...

Dala Kaar wrote...

Knockingbr4in wrote...

cowwy wrote...

Tokenusername wrote...

cowwy wrote...

I knew this was going to happen with this thread. It always does...

BSN needs better fodder though, something like the Wraith is better than Claymore thread.

BSN has needs, and if these needs are not meet they overflow in unexpected ways. Like the Reapers, BSN must purge itself every few months. It doesn't matter what the thread is, BSN has to spew its bile all over something or it'll get sick trying to hold it in.


We need some good new trolls. That one Anarchy dude was doing a decent job for awhile rustling peoples' jimmies but I feel like the quality of trolling on the BSN has declined dramatically. Probably sometime around when the new mods came around.

Also from what little of this thread I read it appears people have some serious reading comprehension issues. Par for the course I s'pose.


This is the Internets. Did you expect anything less?


He did say par for the course. You inebriated donkey punch. You walk like a chicken and your mother's chocolate chip cookies smell like rice.


You have me sorry for not knowing every idioms in existance, english isn't my native language. :/


Uhm.

Well...

Uh...

...

Explaining this to a non-native english speaking person is, complex. Suffice it to say, you aren't the butt of my joke.

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^ I figured as much.

I should go.

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78stonewobble

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IanLai wrote...
cheater is obviously a major reason to make game life cycle shoreten in this specific case.


No, the people that cheat are unable (they don't have the money) and unwilling (some due to the RNG) to pay to get a maxed manifest. They are also unable (they don't have the time) and unwilling (don't want to spend the time) to spend the time to get a maxed manifest regularly.

If they couldn't cheat they would not start paying/playing til they had a full manifest, they would just give up on the game.

Whether there are cheats available for a game or not, doesn't magically add time/money to a persons budget/schedule or fundamentally change that persons outlook on what he wants to spend of time/money.

Not having cheats would mean less players meaning shorter lifecycle.

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prostheticlimbs wrote...

You guys are not paying attention at all.

No one said it was bad to buy packs.

No one.



prostheticlimbs wrote...

You..are a disappointment to the master race.


That was your initial response to OP.

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Pearl (rip bioware)

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Corgun wrote...

prostheticlimbs wrote...

You guys are not paying attention at all.

No one said it was bad to buy packs.

No one.



prostheticlimbs wrote...

You..are a disappointment to the master race.


That was your initial response to OP.

Still didn't say that it was bad to buy packs. Reading comprehension is important.

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Mods, cure the forums. Ban us all.

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Cheating in public games is still bad though... It's equally annoying for me to have been looking for a challenge and end up in a game where some guy one shots everything ... with an avenger 1.

So... Please go make a private game and stick to one gun on one map so it doesn't adversely affect leaderboards, achievements and what not (for those people into that sort of weirdness).

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Corgun wrote...

prostheticlimbs wrote...

You..are a disappointment to the master race.


That was your initial response to OP.


So... pc master race comments are meant to be taken seriously?

Break out the barb wire for dem camps for console peasants...

I can't wait to see the separate benches at buststops either. "Pc players only" ... with like ... a tiny bench out in the rain for ps3 users... Image IPB

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78stonewobble wrote...

Corgun wrote...

prostheticlimbs wrote...

You..are a disappointment to the master race.


That was your initial response to OP.


So... pc master race comments are meant to be taken seriously?

Break out the barb wire for dem camps for console peasants...

I can't wait to see the separate benches at buststops either. "Pc players only" ... with like ... a tiny bench out in the rain for ps3 users... Image IPB

Not rain. We'll all have seizures just by looking at it, let alone being out in it.

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So... pc master race comments are meant to be taken seriously?

Break out the barb wire for dem camps for console peasants...

I can't wait to see the separate benches at buststops either. "Pc players only" ... with like ... a tiny bench out in the rain for ps3 users... Image IPB[/quote]

Ah OK, sorry not yet acclimated to the nerdspeak here yet, soon I will be up to your level.

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FatherOfPearl wrote...

78stonewobble wrote...

Corgun wrote...

prostheticlimbs wrote...

You..are a disappointment to the master race.


That was your initial response to OP.


So... pc master race comments are meant to be taken seriously?

Break out the barb wire for dem camps for console peasants...

I can't wait to see the separate benches at buststops either. "Pc players only" ... with like ... a tiny bench out in the rain for ps3 users... Image IPB

Not rain. We'll all have seizures just by looking at it, let alone being out in it.


Damn, still defending your boyfriend.  

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What's it like to function in the world the way that you do?

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Please. I've heard 8-year-olds that are more mature than you.

Oh, and

prostheticlimbs wrote...

I'm a girl.



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78stonewobble

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Corgun wrote...

Ah OK, sorry not yet acclimated to the nerdspeak here yet, soon I will be up to your level.


Well I just read it as a joke more than any serious criticism. Image IPB

EDIT: A play on the stereotypes.

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FatherOfPearl wrote...

Please. I've heard 8-year-olds that are more mature than you.


Tbh. I've yet to meet a truely mature human being and I've worked with the elderly. o.O

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FatherOfPearl wrote...

Please. I've heard 8-year-olds that are more mature than you.

Oh, and

prostheticlimbs wrote...

I'm a girl.

People seem overly interested in your dick. Come to my windowless van, I have halloween candy. 

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78stonewobble wrote...

IanLai wrote...
cheater is obviously a major reason to make game life cycle shoreten in this specific case.


No, the people that cheat are unable (they don't have the money) and unwilling (some due to the RNG) to pay to get a maxed manifest. They are also unable (they don't have the time) and unwilling (don't want to spend the time) to spend the time to get a maxed manifest regularly.

If they couldn't cheat they would not start paying/playing til they had a full manifest, they would just give up on the game.

Whether there are cheats available for a game or not, doesn't magically add time/money to a persons budget/schedule or fundamentally change that persons outlook on what he wants to spend of time/money.

Not having cheats would mean less players meaning shorter lifecycle.


hi  78stonewobbe nice to see you again

a bit misunderstanding here
what i mean is  comparing to the impact of cheates shorten game life vs RNG system shorten game life
EDIT(of couse there are many reasons for shorten game life. and what i mean is compare the above 2. as anthoer one  said RNG is a reason )

i agree cheater not add profit to game company, they may even pay the pirate verson of the game too

"Not having cheats would mean less players meaning shorter lifecycle"
but this is totally invalid

we can't classified cheaters as only 1 single group.
1. "If they couldn't cheat they would not start paying/playing til they had a full manifest, they would just give up on the game. "
you mentioned actually these groups they play the game or not , their influence on game life is subtle
becuase they either cheat and get max mainfest, then leave the game or entirley not play the game if they can't cheat.

2."if they couldn't cheat they would start play normally"
these kinds of people , they may be able to play the game normally, and they find the game is interesting (or they left the game). so they continue to play the game. it is true they may not pay for anything. but they continue play the game
case 2 actually are non cheater when they find the game can't cheat easily.

3."cheaters that cheat and coninue play"
as case 1 mentioned, the majority of cheater actually left the game after they max manifest.
some cheaters may also enjoy the game . they also add some effort in continue game life?
i would totally disagree. actually i won't play the game that is full of cheaters.
these kinds of people hurt the players that don't cheat. possibily reduce the number of players that is still playing
new player come and they may find the game are full of cheaters. they may find the game is boring or if they do not cheat, they can't play. they usually remove players from the original player base more than adding players in a significatiant way. in return they only shoren game life because totally number of players are reduced.

i see some of the game that won't get maintain and full of cheaters. actullay they can continue the game life , but the player base won't be large .  i don't see how cheaters can help in maintaing game life in this case. only a dead game.
if there are new DLCs.(don't get me wrong here, not maintaining the game does not mean they don't put new DLC to the market. they only not look for cheaters , clear leaderboard, no bug fix etc)  the reduce number of players  is more likely reduce the game profit of DLCs too. you can say cheaters don't affect game company profit directly, but reduce player base get a indirect influence on game profit for sure

this is one of the reasons bioware maintatining the game for a year until all DLC s are out
as compare to RNG, you may find a some posts on these forum that how frustrate about the RNG. but  entirley give up the game because of RNG is not a majority  especially compare to cheaters that hurt the game

EDIT
i am sorry i am not meaning to type so many. just type and type and you know 

Modifié par IanLai, 01 novembre 2013 - 03:04 .


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KroGan_eRRanT wrote...

FatherOfPearl wrote...

Please. I've heard 8-year-olds that are more mature than you.

Oh, and

prostheticlimbs wrote...

I'm a girl.

People seem overly interested in your dick. Come to my windowless van, I have halloween candy. 




May the mods have mercy on all our souls.

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12 pages... uh. Worth reading?

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krjn_09 wrote...

12 pages... uh. Worth reading?

Not really. The first 9 pages were about PC manifest hacking, and the semantics involved; whereas the last few pages are pretty entertaining.

Edit: although Yo Son randomly said he has a larger penis than me on page 7, so that's a thing.

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