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[IanLai]

prostheticlimbs wrote...

RainbowDazed wrote...

FatherOfPearl wrote...

RainbowDazed wrote...

EDIT: Hacking the mp-manifest is sad and anyone who has done it should feel bad. You all suck you lowsy cheaters.

Disagreed. I already have 600 hours on one platform, I'm not spending another 600 just to get up to speed on another one where ...alternative methods exist.

Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree. 

I don't care if people hack their singleplayer-games, that affects only them. When you hack a multiplayer-account, it affects me aswell. I'm nowhere near maxed out manifest, but I have no desire to cheat my way there. The people that have maxed their manifest have done it with hard work or cash and either way deserve the nice toys they have. 

I still don't have a Typhoon and every time I see one on the field I get all excited like "one day, oh yes, one day it will be mine." And it'll be mine because I earned it, not because I sold my tv-show to a huge corporation that turned it into an arcade-commercial! Well you get the point. Or don't. I don't care. That's why I wrote this whole pots. Because I don't care. 

Explain how my hacked PC manifest affects you.

in short you do not affect other players but in long term you will

1. max manifest is some players' part of the reason for playing the game, more player keep playing the game maintaining the game life cycle. so game company can keep profit . if more player can easily  max manifest in few hours, this will definietly shorten the game life. this create difficulies to find players in multiplay

2. the manifest in this game is part of the property of the game company. the game company provide you either you pay for them or keep playing to earn them. while you hack the game is stealing the game company profit. this can be  anthoer consideration in making
(just a supplemently about playing the game to earn game credit, game company does not get profit from these players, but these player help to keep the multiplay running , so get a better chance to get profit from others people who are willing to pay)

3. this is analogy , a theif steal other people thing does not necessary affect you directly , but it is definitely wrong. and one day you may suffer from him if no one catch him.

however  i understand if someone want to transfer manifest from one platform to other, this is your manifest and there is no fun in earing them again .

[Aquaman 40oz]

cato_84 wrote...

Tokenusername wrote...

The result is that you just spent 5 times the price of the game on the game.

Time is more valuable than money to some people.

Some people have more money than brains.

[NuclearTech76]

Aquaman 40oz wrote...

cato_84 wrote...

Tokenusername wrote...

The result is that you just spent 5 times the price of the game on the game.

Time is more valuable than money to some people.

Some people have more money than brains.

IDK, it takes around 800 hours plus to max a manifest. To some people that make a lot of money per hour and enjoy playing ME3 spending money for a maxed manifest makes more sense than invested that time. It's all a matter of perspective.

[RainbowDazed]

IanLai summed it up well. I'd at that people having the game lessen the meaning of my personal efforts. I have a lollicane IX and a Reelolgar VIII and I feel joy for having them. Most of my rares are like lvl 1-3 do those are special. Someone hacking an account diminishes the value of those little bundles of joy I have been lucky enough to obtain. because, you know, MP is a social experience and me having something not everyone has makes me feel happy and all giddy inside.

[Creator Limbs]

IanLai wrote...

prostheticlimbs wrote...

RainbowDazed wrote...

FatherOfPearl wrote...

RainbowDazed wrote...

EDIT: Hacking the mp-manifest is sad and anyone who has done it should feel bad. You all suck you lowsy cheaters.

Disagreed. I already have 600 hours on one platform, I'm not spending another 600 just to get up to speed on another one where ...alternative methods exist.

Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree. 

I don't care if people hack their singleplayer-games, that affects only them. When you hack a multiplayer-account, it affects me aswell. I'm nowhere near maxed out manifest, but I have no desire to cheat my way there. The people that have maxed their manifest have done it with hard work or cash and either way deserve the nice toys they have. 

I still don't have a Typhoon and every time I see one on the field I get all excited like "one day, oh yes, one day it will be mine." And it'll be mine because I earned it, not because I sold my tv-show to a huge corporation that turned it into an arcade-commercial! Well you get the point. Or don't. I don't care. That's why I wrote this whole pots. Because I don't care. 

Explain how my hacked PC manifest affects you.

in short you do not affect other players but in long term you will

1. max manifest is some players' part of the reason for playing the game, more player keep playing the game maintaining the game life cycle. so game company can keep profit . if more player can easily  max manifest in few hours, this will definietly shorten the game life. this create difficulies to find players in multiplay

2. the manifest in this game is part of the property of the game company. the game company provide you either you pay for them or keep playing to earn them. while you hack the game is stealing the game company profit. this can be  anthoer consideration in making
(just a supplemently about playing the game to earn game credit, game company does not get profit from these players, but these player help to keep the multiplay running , so get a better chance to get profit from others people who are willing to pay)

3. this is analogy , a theif steal other people thing does not necessary affect you directly , but it is definitely wrong. and one day you may suffer from him if no one catch him.

however  i understand if someone want to transfer manifest from one platform to other, this is your manifest and there is no fun in earing them again .

1. It is not mine. On PC I play merely for the people that are there. People playing the game does not affect the companies profits because this is not an MMORPG. We do not pay a monthly fee to play this game. People will continue to play the game if they find it fun. End of.

2. It is not stealing any profits because this implies that I would have paid for the packs to begin with. I would not have. Therefore, this argument is invalid.

3. The exact wording was that my hacked manifest affects you. Saying that it is wrong but doesn't affect anyone is counter-intuitive to your defense that hacking my manifest is very bad.

[Creator Limbs]

RainbowDazed wrote...

IanLai summed it up well. I'd at that people having the game lessen the meaning of my personal efforts. I have a lollicane IX and a Reelolgar VIII and I feel joy for having them. Most of my rares are like lvl 1-3 do those are special. Someone hacking an account diminishes the value of those little bundles of joy I have been lucky enough to obtain. because, you know, MP is a social experience and me having something not everyone has makes me feel happy and all giddy inside.

So what you're saying is you like to lord your virtual goodies around and pretend you're better than people. I see.

[IUsedToDieAtWaveOne]

I'd hack my manifests on consoles if I could. Having to earn everything all over again is a pain in the rear.

[Alfonsedode]

Curunen wrote...

PC?

Well I suppose we should be saying thank you - may help keep the servers up for longer!

Yep, that s my feeling too, and please use your money to your satisfaction OP !

nice thread and discussion there, i like it .
Btw, I don t care if people hack their account to get level 10 weapons, It doesn t affect my play, except maybe,a small portion of my score. But I am happy to see that some people disagree on it, on a moral point of view !

Anyway, could be fun that ME4 bonus depended on veryfing if ME3 MP manifest are legit !

[Beerfish]

Thank you op for supporting the venture with some actual cash, unlike a lot of these ungrateful; schleps that never spent a penny and then bleat about lack of maps, guns, new kits etc. not only that they proceed to criticize people that actually spend money.....and then look forward to ME4 multiplayer. A lot of dunces on these forums.

[Creator Limbs]

I don't actually plan on buying ME4. Or caring about it at all.

Once again, Beerfish, you have managed to be completely wrong.

[Jaded4Chaos]

Yeah, time > money for those who actually work. I wouldn't cheat either even if I was on PC.

[IanLai]

prostheticlimbs wrote...

1. It is not mine. On PC I play merely for the people that are there. People playing the game does not affect the companies profits because this is not an MMORPG. We do not pay a monthly fee to play this game. People will continue to play the game if they find it fun. End of.

2. It is not stealing any profits because this implies that I would have paid for the packs to begin with. I would not have. Therefore, this argument is invalid.

3. The exact wording was that my hacked manifest affects you. Saying that it is wrong but doesn't affect anyone is counter-intuitive to your defense that hacking my manifest is very bad.

1.from the begining i said it does not affect in short term. it is all about long term
your single belief is not matter, the point is the conquence. what you did is subtle . but all the people do it together affect the whole community. something like butterfly effects(not the same just similar).
if no one play the game, you find difficulties in finding the game and this affect me because the game life cycle be shortened. 1 of the reasons is because people hacking the assets and shoreten the game life cycle. and the one who hakc the game take part of the responsibility

2. i don't see your opinion apart from you think yourself is valid.
only 2 way to get the asset in game , pay or play 
you create anthoer one  hack. this is not the game company provide you .
they create the game , the let you pay for the assets . and you still think this does not affect game company profit
explain to me why they need to me ban players for cheating credit .
the game can't make profit to the company, and this make game company may consider about develop the next game. this also affect me too

3.i said it is an analogy , did you read it? and i explain why it affect others in the previous point.
you really think you get a theif  be your negibour does not affect you.

apart from you want to say invalid or counter-intuitive to make yourself sounds expert in debate
please give me a more concrete agurement for opposing.
only denying does not mean you are right
i am like talking with a rebellious stage kids ,only saying you are wrong you are wrong.

Modifié par IanLai, 31 octobre 2013 - 02:21 .

[Creator Limbs]

IanLai wrote...

prostheticlimbs wrote...

1. It is not mine. On PC I play merely for the people that are there. People playing the game does not affect the companies profits because this is not an MMORPG. We do not pay a monthly fee to play this game. People will continue to play the game if they find it fun. End of.

2. It is not stealing any profits because this implies that I would have paid for the packs to begin with. I would not have. Therefore, this argument is invalid.

3. The exact wording was that my hacked manifest affects you. Saying that it is wrong but doesn't affect anyone is counter-intuitive to your defense that hacking my manifest is very bad.

1.from the begining i said it does not affect in short term. it is all about long term
your single belief is not matter, the point is the conquence. what you did is subtle . but all the people do it together affect the whole community. something like butterfly effects(not the same just similar).
if no one play the game, you find difficulties in finding the game and this affect me because the game life cycle be shortened. 1 of the reasons is because people hacking the assets and shoreten the game life cycle. and the one who hakc the game take part of the responsibility

2. i don't see your opinion apart from you think yourself is valid.
only 2 way to get the asset in game , pay or play 
you create anthoer one  hack. this is not the game company provide you .
they create the game , the let you pay for the assets . and you still think this does not affect game company profit
explain to me why they need to me ban players for cheating credit .
the game can't make profit to the company, and this make game company may consider about develop the next game. this also affect me too

3.i said it is an analogy , did you read it? and i explain why it affect others in the previous point.
you really think you get a theif  be your negibour does not affect you.

apart from you want to say invalid or counter-intuitive to make yourself sounds expert in debate
please give me a more concrete agurement for opposing.
only denying does not mean you are right
i am like talking with a rebellious stage kids ,only saying you are wrong you are wrong.

I would love to respond to this but I honestly cannot understand a word you just said.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

IanLai wrote...

1.from the begining i said it does not affect in short term. it is all about long term
your single belief is not matter, the point is the conquence. what you did is subtle . but all the people do it together affect the whole community. something like butterfly effects(not the same just similar).

That's not what the butterfly effect is. Nor is it similar, in any way.

Your spurious reasoning is exactly what is causing part of the problem. Companies claim they must use the micro-transactions with RNG to counter the lost income created by people stealing. The problem is, they're countering a problem that doesn't exist until they create it.

If they sold items directly, in a fair transaction, then both sides would be better off, and they would make more money in the long run.

[chcknwng]

Di-Datau wrote...

I'd hack my manifests on consoles if I could. Having to earn everything all over again is a pain in the rear.

I could provide you with the password to my secondary account. It's far from being maxed but I had all the kits and most URs unlocked. At least you don't have to put Talon on every kit now.

[IanLai]

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

IanLai wrote...

1.from the begining i said it does not affect in short term. it is all about long term
your single belief is not matter, the point is the conquence. what you did is subtle . but all the people do it together affect the whole community. something like butterfly effects(not the same just similar).

That's not what the butterfly effect is. Nor is it similar, in any way.

Your spurious reasoning is exactly what is causing part of the problem. Companies claim they must use the micro-transactions with RNG to counter the lost income created by people stealing. The problem is, they're countering a problem that doesn't exist until they create it.

If they sold items directly, in a fair transaction, then both sides would be better off, and they would make more money in the long run.

he is asking how his own hack mainfest affect other players. that's why i explained it is not a simple direct affection.
and no matter you like it or not , it affect others.

actually i think what you are saying is more spurious .
no one use a gun force you to pay for the RNG,
you can choose to pay , you can hate it and not pay/play .
you can also work hard to play the game and get the creadit to buy it.

but hacking the game to get the credit is legit? no it is not and i explained how this affect the game companies and players in long term

you can say RNG is suck . you can say this behaviour is not a favour to customer.
but i can tell you there are many online game companies use a even disgusting RNG system. something even less than 0.1 % if you play the game to get the assets in game. but the fact is even they use a suck RNG system , they can earn profit . and someone pay for it. you can say their customer are idiot. but i sure they won't allow players to get a free credit by hacking

yes this RNG system suck. but again it does not mean you are doing it right by hacking the game
and it definitely affect the whole game and players in the future

PS. i can sure to tell you RNG let the game companies earn more than you think. i am not only saying mass effect
that's why they won't simply do a direct transaction with you

Modifié par IanLai, 31 octobre 2013 - 02:44 .

[Creator Limbs]

No one said it's legit.

I'm a girl.

And "working hard" to max my manifest is a stupid idea. The point of the game is to enjoy it, not to "work." It seems to me that you find the RNG just as laborious as anyone else.

Modifié par prostheticlimbs, 31 octobre 2013 - 03:04 .

[mhy_]

prostheticlimbs wrote...

No one said it's legit.

I'm a girl.

And "working hard" to max my manifest is a stupid idea. The point of the game is to enjoy it, not to "work." It seems to me that you find the RNG just as laborious as anyone else.

Precisely. I enjoy the game so much more now, $300 later, because I actually have some decent equipment. I am also more motivated to keep playing, since I've invested a lot in it. I make more in one day than the amount I spent on the packs, so the 100 hours I would have needed to play in order to get the equivalent of $300 in-game (i.e. 100 PSP/APs) seems hardly worth it.

Modifié par mhy_, 31 octobre 2013 - 03:09 .

[IanLai]

prostheticlimbs wrote...

No one said it's legit.

I'm a girl.

And "working hard" to max my manifest is a stupid idea. The point of the game is to enjoy it, not to "work." It seems to me that you find the RNG just as laborious as anyone else.

you can simply ignore the manifest and enjoy the game. no need to hack at all, no need to "work hard"
if you don't enjoy the game , just quit and play others
i actually ignore the manifest. go to play other games, then back to me3,  i feel boring again, play other games.

[Creator Limbs]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

prostheticlimbs wrote...

No one said it's legit.

I'm a girl.

And "working hard" to max my manifest is a stupid idea. The point of the game is to enjoy it, not to "work." It seems to me that you find the RNG just as laborious as anyone else.

Last time I checked one doesn't require a maxed manifest to enjoy the game. At least I certainly didn't.


And whilst I agree that the RNG is notoriously stingy about giving out URs, maxing out all common, uncommon and rare items is hardly hard work. The unlock system for those is pretty much straightforward. If you still have to unlock some of those, it's actually more rare to get anything but new unlocks. UR unlocks are the only ones that are troublesome.



But you don't need URs to enjoy the game unless you absolutely, positively HAVE to get everything maxed to get any euphoric reaction from your body (which I believe would mean you'd have a medical condition or a very, very prominent case obsessive compulsory behaviour).

Never said the manifest needed to be maxed. But having access to every single gun is pretty nice.

[Lady Abstract]

 <_< why does this thread still exist

[RainbowDazed]

prostheticlimbs wrote...

RainbowDazed wrote...

IanLai summed it up well. I'd at that people having the game lessen the meaning of my personal efforts. I have a lollicane IX and a Reelolgar VIII and I feel joy for having them. Most of my rares are like lvl 1-3 do those are special. Someone hacking an account diminishes the value of those little bundles of joy I have been lucky enough to obtain. because, you know, MP is a social experience and me having something not everyone has makes me feel happy and all giddy inside.

So what you're saying is you like to lord your virtual goodies around and pretend you're better than people. I see.

Good sir, you should perhaps spend more time on contemplating the replies people give you and less time typing fast provocative answers. 

Yes, I am not ashamed to admit that in online games status means something to me. I like completig challenges for the joy of being a completionist, sure, but part of it is to be able to use a certain banner. I like having things that are rare and that you have to work to obtain. They feel more special. That's why I don't like cheating either. Obtaining all the banner for instance by hacking the game takes away the very thing that gives them any meaning - effort. I also like the suspense of buying new packs, getting new weapons or new appearance options for characters. What I mean by this is that there is no simple answer that sums everything up for this question. 

I have no illusion of being better than anyone. In fact, I'm a pretty crappy person in real life. But I do like to know that I have earned what I have. Cheaters in general inflate the value of hard work. That I do not like nor approve. 

Just my 2 cents, as I believe the american/english saying goes. 

Modifié par RainbowDazed, 31 octobre 2013 - 03:28 .

[IanLai]

RainbowDazed wrote...

prostheticlimbs wrote...

RainbowDazed wrote...

IanLai summed it up well. I'd at that people having the game lessen the meaning of my personal efforts. I have a lollicane IX and a Reelolgar VIII and I feel joy for having them. Most of my rares are like lvl 1-3 do those are special. Someone hacking an account diminishes the value of those little bundles of joy I have been lucky enough to obtain. because, you know, MP is a social experience and me having something not everyone has makes me feel happy and all giddy inside.

So what you're saying is you like to lord your virtual goodies around and pretend you're better than people. I see.

Good sir, you should perhaps spend more time on contemplating the replies people give you and less time typing fast provocative answers. 

Yes, I am not ashamed to admit that in online games status means something to me. I like completig challenges for the joy of being a completionist, sure, but part of it is to be able to use a certain banner. I like having things that are rare and that you have to work to obtain. They feel more special. That's why I don't like cheating either. Obtaining all the banner for instance by hacking the game takes away the very thing that gives them any meaning - effort. I also like the suspense of buying new packs, getting new weapons or new appearance options for characters. What I mean by this is that there is no simple answer that sums everything up for this question. 

I have no illusion of being better than anyone. In fact, I'm a pretty crappy person in real life. But I do like to know that I have earned what I have. Cheaters in general inflate the value of hard work. That I do not like nor approve. 

Just my 2 cents, as I believe the american/english saying goes. 

i know what you mean
i don't like it too. someone work hard to get their payment, even it is a game. while someone can get the instant access of all the thing without doing anything.
and the conquence finally become the hacker laught at the one that does not cheat ?
i can only say wtf .

Modifié par IanLai, 31 octobre 2013 - 03:35 .