IanLai wrote...
if no enemies can know your position when cloak and no enemies bind shoot
in return you don't have damage boost
i am fine with it
Modifié par Rotward, 02 novembre 2013 - 12:31 .
robarcool wrote...
Nope. That would make it as nearly as worthless as subnet. An invisibility that breaks immediately after firing a shot and it didn't kill that enemy or damage him enough to back down? Nope, won't take it ever.
Rotward wrote...
As someone who has 4 or 5 promotes on every class, I'm not sure why there's such hate for TC. Maybe I'm just not a good infiltrator, but I don't find it to be stronger than all the other kits. I know that my sentinel's perform as well, and engineers.
If it's really that overpowered, you'd have to reduce the damage bonus to balance it. Otherwise it's just going to nerf kits that rely on cloak + powers, without touching weapon focused kits.
Alien Number Six wrote...
They were born, captured, experimented on, destroyed and discarded. When the chance presented itself I broke loose and as Joker puts it "Started killing all their guys."XFG-65 wrote...
Alien Number Six wrote...
Finally XFG makes some sense.
You never told me what happened to your five predecessors. Did you consume them?
may be OP in hacking or devicesRad_Rage wrote...
IanLai wrote...
if no enemies can know your position when cloak and no enemies bind shoot
in return you don't have damage boost
i am fine with it
Being totally invisible and undetected by the enemies for up to 11 seconds would be way more "OP" than what Tactical Cloak is now.
IanLai wrote...
may be OP in hacking or devicesRad_Rage wrote...
IanLai wrote...
if no enemies can know your position when cloak and no enemies bind shoot
in return you don't have damage boost
i am fine with it
Being totally invisible and undetected by the enemies for up to 11 seconds would be way more "OP" than what Tactical Cloak is now.
but you can't damage any enemies or you break the cloak without any damage boost
IanLai wrote...
may be OP in hacking or devicesRad_Rage wrote...
IanLai wrote...
if no enemies can know your position when cloak and no enemies bind shoot
in return you don't have damage boost
i am fine with it
Being totally invisible and undetected by the enemies for up to 11 seconds would be way more "OP" than what Tactical Cloak is now.
but you can't damage any enemies or you break the cloak without any damage boost
Rad_Rage wrote...
IanLai wrote...
may be OP in hacking or devicesRad_Rage wrote...
IanLai wrote...
if no enemies can know your position when cloak and no enemies bind shoot
in return you don't have damage boost
i am fine with it
Being totally invisible and undetected by the enemies for up to 11 seconds would be way more "OP" than what Tactical Cloak is now.
but you can't damage any enemies or you break the cloak without any damage boost
I don't need a damage boost when I can sneak up right behind a guy and put a point blank Claymore shot in his head. And anytime I'm in trouble I could just cloak and lose all aggro for 11 seconds. I could be practically invincible.
A single claymore shot is not enough to kill most enemies on higher difficuilty. Even if you do manage to kill whatever your target was, they will most likely be accomponied by other enemies, which you are now flanked by with your cloak on cooldown.Rad_Rage wrote...
I don't need a damage boost when I can sneak up right behind a guy and put a point blank Claymore shot in his head. And anytime I'm in trouble I could just cloak and lose all aggro for 11 seconds. I could be practically invincible.
Modifié par Tokenusername, 03 novembre 2013 - 10:31 .
suriviability won't make a character OP. Krogan vanguard, geth prime etc. they don't get any damage boost . soi never heard about anyone claim they are OP . only TGI, AIU which get damage boost+ suriviabiliy and they finally were nerfed . at least this is the history of balance change. no damage boost mean you need to use more time to kill enemies than before . claymore , javalin they can't even OHK a shielded mobs without damage boost from tactical cloakRad_Rage wrote...
IanLai wrote...
may be OP in hacking or devicesRad_Rage wrote...
IanLai wrote...
if no enemies can know your position when cloak and no enemies bind shoot
in return you don't have damage boost
i am fine with it
Being totally invisible and undetected by the enemies for up to 11 seconds would be way more "OP" than what Tactical Cloak is now.
but you can't damage any enemies or you break the cloak without any damage boost
I don't need a damage boost when I can sneak up right behind a guy and put a point blank Claymore shot in his head. And anytime I'm in trouble I could just cloak and lose all aggro for 11 seconds. I could be practically invincible.
Tokenusername wrote...
A single claymore shot is not enough to kill most enemies on higher difficuilty. Even if you do manage to kill whatever your target was, they will most likely be accomponied by other enemies, which you are now flanked by with your cloak on cooldown.Rad_Rage wrote...
I don't need a damage boost when I can sneak up right behind a guy and put a point blank Claymore shot in his head. And anytime I'm in trouble I could just cloak and lose all aggro for 11 seconds. I could be practically invincible.
IanLai wrote...
suriviability won't make a character OP. Krogan vanguard, geth prime etc. they don't get any damage boost . soi never heard about anyone claim they are OP . only TGI, AIU which get damage boost+ suriviabiliy and they finally were nerfed . at least this is the history of balance change. no damage boost mean you need to use more time to kill enemies than before . claymore , javalin they can't even OHK a shielded mobs without damage boost from tactical cloakRad_Rage wrote...
IanLai wrote...
may be OP in hacking or devicesRad_Rage wrote...
IanLai wrote...
if no enemies can know your position when cloak and no enemies bind shoot
in return you don't have damage boost
i am fine with it
Being totally invisible and undetected by the enemies for up to 11 seconds would be way more "OP" than what Tactical Cloak is now.
but you can't damage any enemies or you break the cloak without any damage boost
I don't need a damage boost when I can sneak up right behind a guy and put a point blank Claymore shot in his head. And anytime I'm in trouble I could just cloak and lose all aggro for 11 seconds. I could be practically invincible.
anyway we are imaginaing about change in TC don't take it serious
IanLai wrote...
claymore , javalin they can't even OHK a shielded mobs without damage boost from tactical cloak
Have you ever heard of a hypothetical?InstaShark wrote...
Why are we still talking about balancing when there's no more balance-change updates?
Tokenusername wrote...
Have you ever heard of a hypothetical?InstaShark wrote...
Why are we still talking about balancing when there's no more balance-change updates?
Modifié par InstaShark, 04 novembre 2013 - 02:10 .
You're saying invisibility = invincibility, which it does not. Invisibility allows you to move into or out of positions, but not both at the same time.Rad_Rage wrote...
Tokenusername wrote...
A single claymore shot is not enough to kill most enemies on higher difficulty. Even if you do manage to kill whatever your target was, they will most likely be accompanied by other enemies, which you are now flanked by with your cloak on cooldown.Rad_Rage wrote...
I don't need a damage boost when I can sneak up right behind a guy and put a point blank Claymore shot in his head. And anytime I'm in trouble I could just cloak and lose all aggro for 11 seconds. I could be practically invincible
Ok, so what's the difference in that scenario with the way cloak is now? Once that 1 guy is dead or near dead, now that I'm on cooldown I'll be in trouble if I run into a group of guys.
if you want to talk about phasic ammo/disruptor than yesDeerber wrote...
IanLai wrote...
claymore , javalin they can't even OHK a shielded mobs without damage boost from tactical cloak
Modifié par IanLai, 04 novembre 2013 - 02:35 .
some classes ike GI and TGI they are OP with their own power for weapon damage boost. weapon damage usually get a more stable output than power especially higher diffulties. while those classes also get good survivability so we usually say these classes are OP.Rad_Rage wrote...
Oh I'm not that serious about it. It's just harmless conjecture. Whether or not TC gets changed for the next game doesn't really bother me.
I guess I just look at OP a different way. I look at something being OP through practice rather than by design. Even though I don't feel ME3 is a really high skill cap game, in my experience, no character in this game is idiot proof. I've played with a bunch of terrible players who use so called "OP" kits and do terribly with them, or average players who use them and play...mediocre with them.. I know my experience is but a small iota of the entire playerbase's, but it does count for something.
Bottom line, if you're bad, you're going to be bad regardless of what characters you use.
IanLai wrote...
if you want to talk about phasic ammo/disruptor than yes
if you talk about procesed collector captain, than need head shot + ammo power
claymore properly need to get all pellet hit on bodyshot
+1Deerber wrote...
IanLai wrote...
if you want to talk about phasic ammo/disruptor than yes
if you talk about procesed collector captain, than need head shot + ammo power
claymore properly need to get all pellet hit on bodyshot
Again, wat.
A clean claymore headshot kills each and every humanoid sized enemy in the game, even on platinum and without any ammo. Why you wouldn't use ammo, by the way, is beyond me...
The Javelin needs ammo to get OHK on possessed collectors, otherwise a headshot is all that's required.
I really don't see what you're talking about.
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