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[rupok93]

EDIT: In spite of the responses I will rephrase the question.

Do you think DAI will have good storytelling?
Do you think DAI will have good gameplay with a mixture of tactical and action?
Do you think Bioware will improve upon and not repeat mistakes of the past in the dragon age franchise?

Please give some evidence (interviews, quotes,etc) if you can.

Modifié par rupok93, 02 novembre 2013 - 07:04 .

[agonis]

They don´t have to "redeem" themselves for me. I liked all their games for different reasons so far and I´m sure I will enjoy the next.

[Icy Magebane]

I wouldn't be on this site if I didn't. Simple as that. Whatever small problems I have with the series doesn't change the fact that this is one hell of a story they're telling.

[Br3admax]

EntropicAngel wrote...

I wasn't aware they needed "redeeming."

Inquisition will be good, just like every other Bioware game I've played.

This. A lot critisim, but I've never hated any BioWare game enough for them to need redemption. 

[Potato Cat]

Definitely. They don't need to 'redeem' themselves to me, especially the DA team, but I can sort of see why people might feel like they need to.

[riverbanks]

I think Inquisition will be fun and I think I will like it. Good and bad is a matter of lol opinions.

And yeah, "redeeem," narm narm. Bioware didn't kill your cat or steal your lunch money, they have nothing to redeem themselves for.

[Afro_Explosion]

Bioware doesn't have to redeem themselves at all for me while some fans declare bioware dead and every title under ea the spawn of satan.I and the more skeptical people are watching interested

[Lady Sif]

agonis wrote...

They don´t have to "redeem" themselves for me. I liked all their games for different reasons so far and I´m sure I will enjoy the next.

[rupok93]

Ok let me rephrase the question. Do you think the storytelling will be as good as origins? Do you think the exploration and depth of choice will be as good as past bioware titles such as baldurs gate?

I am not saying Bioware games were absolutely horrendous but I personally think quality has dropped somewhat compared to past games. Basically what I am asking is do you think inquisition will be excellent and pure awesomeness as opposed to just a good game?

[Makkaramestari]

There is no redemption, nor should there be. I'll judge the game by its own merits when it comes, and I'll either like or dislike it based on what it has to offer. And this game definitely won't make me reconsider my opinions on their previous titles, they are what they are, and no amount of new games will either improve or diminish them.

EDIT: Also, "good" is not a numeric value dispite the scorings given to games by media. Especially when it comes to storytelling. "As good as origins" means different things to different people. I myself highly disliked both the story and the way it was told in DA:O, but I really enjoyed the more personal story of DA2. 

Quite frankly, I've got no idea whether the game will be a masterpiece, utter crap or something in between, but I'm certainly hoping that it will lean strongly towards the direction of "masterpiece".

Modifié par Makkaramestari, 02 novembre 2013 - 04:59 .

[SafetyShattered]

agonis wrote...

They don´t have to "redeem" themselves for me. I liked all their games for different reasons so far and I´m sure I will enjoy the next.

Pretty much this.

[Mike3207]

I think it will be better than DA2, but that's really not saying much. As good as DAO? I doubt it.

[Mathias]

Everyone that's saying "They don't need to be redeemed", you need to think outside the box here. You're BSN users, the hardcore loyal fanbase, of course they don't need to be redeemed to you. But what about the others?

Let's not act like DA2, ToR and ME3 didn't happen. Regardless of whether or not you loved, hated, or were indifferent towards those games, there are A LOT of people that haven't been too thrilled with the quality of Bioware's past three games, especially with ME3, a game that some fans look at as a blemish on the series.

Whether you like it or not, there's been plenty of criticism and controversy towards Bioware these past 2 years. Maybe YOU still kiss their feet, but generally speaking they're not held in the same high respect in the gaming community as they used to be. People know about EA's history of obtaining well respected developers, and then shorty after their games start to drop significantly in quality. And once EA got a hold of Bioware, people noticed the same thing happening. History has a way of repeating itself.

I have a lot of high hopes for Dragon Age Inquisition, I'm crossing my fingers that DA:I will be Bioware's comeback game. I want this game to be so awesome and Bioware to say "Hey, we're still awesome." But I do think they've got a bit of an uphill battle to climb after DA2 and ME3.

[rupok93]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Everyone that's saying "They don't need to be redeemed", you need to think outside the box here. You're BSN users, the hardcore loyal fanbase, of course they don't need to be redeemed to you. But what about the others?

Let's not act like DA2, ToR and ME3 didn't happen. Regardless of whether or not you loved, hated, or were indifferent towards those games, there are A LOT of people that haven't been too thrilled with the quality of Bioware's past three games, especially with ME3, a game that some fans look at as a blemish on the series.

Whether you like it or not, there's been plenty of criticism and controversy towards Bioware these past 2 years. Maybe YOU still kiss their feet, but generally speaking they're not held in the same high respect in the gaming community as they used to be. People know about EA's history of obtaining well respected developers, and then shorty after their games start to drop significantly in quality. And once EA got a hold of Bioware, people noticed the same thing happening. History has a way of repeating itself.

I have a lot of high hopes for Dragon Age Inquisition, I'm crossing my fingers that DA:I will be Bioware's comeback game. I want this game to be so awesome and Bioware to say "Hey, we're still awesome." But I do think they've got a bit of an uphill battle to climb after DA2 and ME3.

This Thank you for saying it.

[JCAP]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Everyone that's saying "They don't need to be redeemed", you need to think outside the box here. You're BSN users, the hardcore loyal fanbase, of course they don't need to be redeemed to you. But what about the others?

Let's not act like DA2, ToR and ME3 didn't happen. Regardless of whether or not you loved, hated, or were indifferent towards those games, there are A LOT of people that haven't been too thrilled with the quality of Bioware's past three games, especially with ME3, a game that some fans look at as a blemish on the series.

Whether you like it or not, there's been plenty of criticism and controversy towards Bioware these past 2 years. Maybe YOU still kiss their feet, but generally speaking they're not held in the same high respect in the gaming community as they used to be. People know about EA's history of obtaining well respected developers, and then shorty after their games start to drop significantly in quality. And once EA got a hold of Bioware, people noticed the same thing happening. History has a way of repeating itself.

I have a lot of high hopes for Dragon Age Inquisition, I'm crossing my fingers that DA:I will be Bioware's comeback game. I want this game to be so awesome and Bioware to say "Hey, we're still awesome." But I do think they've got a bit of an uphill battle to climb after DA2 and ME3.

^this^

I too like Bioware and I really hope DA3 ends up being a huge success. But let's not kiss Bioware ass okay?

[riverbanks]

"blemish on the series", "kiss their feet", "held in high respect", "comeback game", "uphill battle", ugh.

Let's do this without the buzzwords now: "Loud people made a lot of noise about the past couple games, I hope the next game makes loud people make less noise about it."

Again, redemption is for sinners looking for absolution, and that whole mess belongs in a church. Bioware is just a company making games. Some will like those games, others won't. They can strive to make games that more people will like/less people will throw hissy fits about, but "as good as past games" is a matter of subjective opinion, it's not an objective evaluation of a particular game's qualities. Obviously we all hope we'll enjoy Inquisition, but if we're going to qualify an unreleased game by how well it compares to "past games" instead of how enjoyable it is by itself, we're not off to a good start.

Modifié par riverbanks, 02 novembre 2013 - 05:28 .

[Ianamus]

From what I've seen so far I think Inquisition is shaping up to be a very strong game, much stronger than Dragon Age 2 and maybe even stronger than Origins if it lives up to it's promises.

I was already sure I would be getting Inquisition though, even if it wasn't quite as great as Origins, because while I was slightly disappointed with Dragon Age 2 I still enjoyed it.

It's not like Mass Effect where they will have to do a lot of convincing to get me to even consider playing any future games in the series. I may have been disappointed with Dragon Age 2 and I wasn't very impressed with SWTOR but Mass Effect 3 is the only Bioware game so far I actively dislike. In fact it's the only video game period I wish I had never played.

Modifié par EJ107, 02 novembre 2013 - 05:40 .

[agonis]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Everyone that's saying "They don't need to be redeemed", you need to think outside the box here. You're BSN users, the hardcore loyal fanbase, of course they don't need to be redeemed to you. But what about the others?

Let's not act like DA2, ToR and ME3 didn't happen. Regardless of whether or not you loved, hated, or were indifferent towards those games, there are A LOT of people that haven't been too thrilled with the quality of Bioware's past three games, especially with ME3, a game that some fans look at as a blemish on the series.

Whether you like it or not, there's been plenty of criticism and controversy towards Bioware these past 2 years. Maybe YOU still kiss their feet, but generally speaking they're not held in the same high respect in the gaming community as they used to be. People know about EA's history of obtaining well respected developers, and then shorty after their games start to drop significantly in quality. And once EA got a hold of Bioware, people noticed the same thing happening. History has a way of repeating itself.

I have a lot of high hopes for Dragon Age Inquisition, I'm crossing my fingers that DA:I will be Bioware's comeback game. I want this game to be so awesome and Bioware to say "Hey, we're still awesome." But I do think they've got a bit of an uphill battle to climb after DA2 and ME3.

I don´t care for the criticism of other players, because I don´t share it. And I certainly do not kiss any feet just because I loved both ME3 and DA2. (Not that I don´t think both have room for improvement) I´m quite fed up being told that liking those games makes me a stupid human being unable to see the obvious.

People praising Baldurs Gate, Kotor and Jade Empire should replay them and reconsider their opinion. All games had their great moments but I doubt you could sale them as they are again now and get the same result. They have a very different style of storytelling, one that perhaps wouldn´t work anymore.
Kotor 1 for Example had a lot of strange FedEx-quest, that I didn´t even notice the first time I played it and the Jedi/Sith decisions were either holier than Jesus, and more evil than Satan (still one of my favorite games), Kotor 2 was sadly unfinished, Baldurs Gate´s fighting too complicated for players that just want some fun after work...

And about being fan on the BSN... Many of the fans coming here to write something positive are very soon repulsed by the pessimism and hate of many users, who haunt this site like ghosts.

[Realmzmaster]

Why would Bioware/EA need to be redeemed? Bioware/EA is a compnay that makes games. Bioware is in the business to make money. If players do not like the trend that a company is setting they express that by not buying present or future products from that company. That is how a message is sent to a company.
But, if same company puts out a new game and the public buy it and that company makes a reasonable profit then that is the company's redemption.
If the company keeps making games and a profit that is all the redemption the company needs.
The audience can say they hate the company, but if they keep buying the product then all the public is sending is a mixed message. In that kind of message the only thing that matters is did the product make money and a reasonable profit.

[JCAP]

Realmzmaster wrote...

Why would Bioware/EA need to be redeemed? Bioware/EA is a compnay that makes games. Bioware is in the business to make money. If players do not like the trend that a company is setting they express that by not buying present or future products from that company. That is how a message is sent to a company.
But, if same company puts out a new game and the public buy it and that company makes a reasonable profit then that is the company's redemption.
If the company keeps making games and a profit that is all the redemption the company needs.
The audience can say they hate the company, but if they keep buying the product then all the public is sending is a mixed message. In that kind of message the only thing that matters is did the product make money and a reasonable profit.

Not quite that. A company needs a reasonable reputation to make profit too. Do you really think a company with history of making bad products will sell well their new product even if it is good?


Look at Crapcom for example.

[Ianamus]

Realmzmaster wrote...

Why would Bioware/EA need to be redeemed? Bioware/EA is a compnay that makes games. Bioware is in the business to make money. If players do not like the trend that a company is setting they express that by not buying present or future products from that company. That is how a message is sent to a company.
But, if same company puts out a new game and the public buy it and that company makes a reasonable profit then that is the company's redemption.
If the company keeps making games and a profit that is all the redemption the company needs.
The audience can say they hate the company, but if they keep buying the product then all the public is sending is a mixed message. In that kind of message the only thing that matters is did the product make money and a reasonable profit.

Don't forget that an expansion to DA2 was cancelled (I think I heard somewhere it was due to low sales estimates but I can't say for certain) and SWTOR had to be made free to play rather quickly and generally isn't considered a commercial success. 

The public has been putting their money where there mouth is with regards to some of Biowares more recent titles. 

Modifié par EJ107, 02 novembre 2013 - 05:58 .

[Wulfram]

I think I'll enjoy it enough to be worth playing it. And it doesn't seem like it'll repeat DA2's apparent issue of being rushed, and I don't see much reason to expect a repeat of the ME3 ending thing either.

[Vulpe]

Despise the controversies and criticism regarding the ME3 ending , DA2 and SW:TOR, saying that Bioware needs to redeem themselves is a little to much. ME3 was a good game,only the last 5-10 minutes were kind of . DA2 was also a good game; not as good as DA:O, but still good. 

So no,  they don't need to "redeem" themselves . Want to see a company that really needs to redeem themselves ? See what CA did with ROME 2.