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[In Exile]

Plaintiff wrote...

Find your own damn evidence, people don't have to justify their optimism to you.

The Justify Your Optimism Act, B.S.N. 2009 c. 4 s. 29 disagrees. 

[pause]

... What do you mean that isn't a real thing? 

[Sanunes]

I fully expect Dragon Age: Inquisition to be called the worst thing ever according to the BSN and then when the sequel is released it will be called the best of the series. Just like Mass Effect 2.

Will I like it or not, well that is something I can't even begin to really consider since there isn't enough information available for me to decide that yet. I will probably buy it, but what I haven't decided yet is when I am going to buy it.

[cjones91]

Sanunes wrote...

I fully expect Dragon Age: Inquisition to be called the worst thing ever according to the BSN and then when the sequel is released it will be called the best of the series. Just like Mass Effect 2.

Will I like it or not, well that is something I can't even begin to really consider since there isn't enough information available for me to decide that yet. I will probably buy it, but what I haven't decided yet is when I am going to buy it.

Kind of reminds me of a good portion of the Zelda fanbase,they'll bash the latest Zelda game only to praise it once enough time passes and the next is release until the cycle begins again.

[C00Ki3 GiRL]

I'm actually really excited for DA:I

I loved the other DA's, I miss my Warden though so I hope they'll make an appearance with Morrigan in Inquisition

[Star fury]

Sanunes wrote...

I fully expect Dragon Age: Inquisition to be called the worst thing ever according to the BSN and then when the sequel is released it will be called the best of the series. Just like Mass Effect 2.

Will I like it or not, well that is something I can't even begin to really consider since there isn't enough information available for me to decide that yet. I will probably buy it, but what I haven't decided yet is when I am going to buy it.

DA3 will have to be absolutely terrible, if people begin to praise DA2 after Inqusition's release.

[Mabaker]

They desperately need a quality title. Dragon Age II was an utter insult to players' intelligence. I'm looking forward to Inquisition, but only if it will be up to par with Origins as far as story telling and character interactions are concerned.

[esper]

I think da:I will be well put together, because the team seems to be putting a lot of effort and time into it this time.

I am, however, unsure if I will enjoy it. It seems to focus too much on exploration for my taste, I am not into the supernatural always evil conflict the demon thing hints towards, and worst of all I fear that the way they might bring the warden and Hawke into the game would retroactively destroy da:o and da2 for me due to forcing canon-like personalities on them.

So I am unsure if I will get the game or not.

[Dutchess]

No idea. They seem to take more time than for DA2, which is obviously a good thing. But I am unsure whether Bioware truly has learned from their mistakes. Recycled dungeons and combat waves are the two things that now always get cited by developers as mistakes that won't be repeated, but my main problem with DA2 was the quality of the writing - or lack thereof-, and I have never seen any acknowledgement from the team that maybe, possibly, this area could use some improvement as well. You can't improve if you're in denial, so... I will wait and see.

[Realmzmaster]

JCAP wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...

Why would Bioware/EA need to be redeemed? Bioware/EA is a compnay that makes games. Bioware is in the business to make money. If players do not like the trend that a company is setting they express that by not buying present or future products from that company. That is how a message is sent to a company.
But, if same company puts out a new game and the public buy it and that company makes a reasonable profit then that is the company's redemption.
If the company keeps making games and a profit that is all the redemption the company needs.
The audience can say they hate the company, but if they keep buying the product then all the public is sending is a mixed message. In that kind of message the only thing that matters is did the product make money and a reasonable profit.

Not quite that. A company needs a reasonable reputation to make profit too. Do you really think a company with history of making bad products will sell well their new product even if it is good?


Look at Crapcom for example.

The problem with the definition of bad products is that everyone has a different definition. As long as enough buyers think the product is good the company can survive a so-called bad reputation. If bad reputation was enough to sink a company then EA would have been gone long ago and Capcom with it. I do believe both companies still exist and are still making games and money.

[zMataxa]

renjility wrote...

No idea. They seem to take more time than for DA2, which is obviously a good thing. But I am unsure whether Bioware truly has learned from their mistakes. Recycled dungeons and combat waves are the two things that now always get cited by developers as mistakes that won't be repeated, but my main problem with DA2 was the quality of the writing - or lack thereof-, and I have never seen any acknowledgement from the team that maybe, possibly, this area could use some improvement as well. You can't improve if you're in denial, so... I will wait and see.

_________________

I'm curious what you didn't like about the writing.
I really enjoyed the story and the characters.  Some parts/characters I really liked and some i really disliked.

PS.  II personally think that it will be different again in overall feel but that I'll enjoy it anyway once i settle into the new "setting and battle mechanics".  It sounds like the story will still be strong as ever.

Modifié par zMataxa, 03 novembre 2013 - 11:07 .

[Boiny Bunny]

I'm rather neutral, or uncaring at this point. It would take a lot to get me seriously interested in the DA universe again, but I do have some optimism having now seen that combat doesn't look to be as awful as I found it in DA2.

[General TSAR]

Do you think DAI will have good storytelling?

Given their track record, I highly doubt that.

Do you think DAI will have good gameplay with a mixture of tactical and action?

Sure, to make up for the inconsistent story.

Do you think Bioware will improve upon and not repeat mistakes of the past in the dragon age franchise?

Nope.

[Fast Jimmy]

In Exile wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Find your own damn evidence, people don't have to justify their optimism to you.

The Justify Your Optimism Act, B.S.N. 2009 c. 4 s. 29 disagrees. 

[pause]

... What do you mean that isn't a real thing? 

It is very much a real thing. It was grandfathered in under the larger Upsetting Shorts Forum Etiquuette Omnibus (USFEO) of 2012, which dictated forum behavior for the entire BSN. 

[HiroVoid]

esper wrote...

I think da:I will be well put together, because the team seems to be putting a lot of effort and time into it this time.

I am, however, unsure if I will enjoy it. It seems to focus too much on exploration for my taste, I am not into the supernatural always evil conflict the demon thing hints towards, and worst of all I fear that the way they might bring the warden and Hawke into the game would retroactively destroy da:o and da2 for me due to forcing canon-like personalities on them.

So I am unsure if I will get the game or not.

Probably the best post I've seen.  I think considering the current effort, it'll be good or well put together unlike DA2 which had a lot of cut corners.  Whether I'll like it is another matter.  I was actually looking forward to a lot of the concepts for DA2, but I didn't like the actual execution of the concepts themselves.

[Star fury]

esper wrote...

I think da:I will be well put together, because the team seems to be putting a lot of effort and time into it this time.

I am, however, unsure if I will enjoy it. It seems to focus too much on exploration for my taste, I am not into the supernatural always evil conflict the demon thing hints towards, and worst of all I fear that the way they might bring the warden and Hawke into the game would retroactively destroy da:o and da2 for me due to forcing canon-like personalities on them.

So I am unsure if I will get the game or not.

Bioware seem infatuated with Skyrim's success, so they copy Bethesda's book a lot. I'm not sure they can combine a solid story(which is their strong point) with a big world. I don't think they bring back the Warden and Hawke, it makes no sense. 

[Boycott Bioware]

Star fury wrote...
Bioware seem infatuated with Skyrim's success, so they copy Bethesda's book a lot. I'm not sure they can combine a solid story(which is their strong point) with a big world. I don't think they bring back the Warden and Hawke, it makes no sense.

Skyrim success because of their good marketing and fans have been waiting for it for long...the game itself is a mess, it is improved from Oblivion, but still a mess...bugs and unrepairable bugs, cheap story, cheap narrative, bad quest design, bad AI and so much more...despite their success, they don't win the fans....The world is beautiful yes, but the trade off is everything else

[wolfhowwl]

Star fury wrote...

esper wrote...

I think da:I will be well put together, because the team seems to be putting a lot of effort and time into it this time.

I am, however, unsure if I will enjoy it. It seems to focus too much on exploration for my taste, I am not into the supernatural always evil conflict the demon thing hints towards, and worst of all I fear that the way they might bring the warden and Hawke into the game would retroactively destroy da:o and da2 for me due to forcing canon-like personalities on them.

So I am unsure if I will get the game or not.

Bioware seem infatuated with Skyrim's success, so they copy Bethesda's book a lot. I'm not sure they can combine a solid story(which is their strong point) with a big world. I don't think they bring back the Warden and Hawke, it makes no sense. 

Well Skyrim is an improvement from wanting the Call of Duty audience but Dragon Age still desperately needs its own identity.

[Star fury]

wolfhowwl wrote...

Star fury wrote...

esper wrote...

I think da:I will be well put together, because the team seems to be putting a lot of effort and time into it this time.

I am, however, unsure if I will enjoy it. It seems to focus too much on exploration for my taste, I am not into the supernatural always evil conflict the demon thing hints towards, and worst of all I fear that the way they might bring the warden and Hawke into the game would retroactively destroy da:o and da2 for me due to forcing canon-like personalities on them.

So I am unsure if I will get the game or not.

Bioware seem infatuated with Skyrim's success, so they copy Bethesda's book a lot. I'm not sure they can combine a solid story(which is their strong point) with a big world. I don't think they bring back the Warden and Hawke, it makes no sense. 

Well Skyrim is an improvement from wanting the Call of Duty audience but Dragon Age still desperately needs its own identity.

Yeah, Skyrim is at least RPG while shooter players would never touch other genres.  

Modifié par Star fury, 04 novembre 2013 - 06:58 .

[Nefla]

When DA:O came out I loved it, when DA2 came out, I thought it was ok but very disappointing in many extreme ways (such as no race selection, tiny reused map, boring, disjointed plot, etc...). When Mass Effect came out I really liked it, when ME2 came out I absolutely loved it, when ME3 came out I was 10x more upset and disappointed with it than I had been with DA2 and that was even before I got to the ending. For me there has never been a good old days nostalgia that makes me decide that a game I previously disliked is suddenly great when compared to a new game.

I have high hopes for DA3, the devs have been hitting the right notes, promising concrete features that are important to me while at the same time not blowing hype geared at a 12 year old up our asses "press a button, something AWESOME happens!" or buzzwords like "epic" "streamlined" etc...If the game sucks I will be devastated and will probably end up not playing any BW games in the future. If it's awesome it will restore my faith. If it's mediocre, I might buy 1 more game or so but my interest will taper off like it did with Assassin's Creed.

[NessCraig]

Yes.

It will be epic.

Next question

[Nightdragon8]

rupok93 wrote...

EDIT: In spite of the responses I will rephrase the question.

Do you think DAI will have good storytelling?
Do you think DAI will have good gameplay with a mixture of tactical and action?
Do you think Bioware will improve upon and not repeat mistakes of the past in the dragon age franchise?

Please give some evidence (interviews, quotes,etc) if you can.

considering the last time people from Bioware where interviewed and we where lied to. I don't see how asking for frankly suspect infomation is of any use. So until they deliver on what they promise in interviews or quotes, I;m considering them just words to get the hype up on the game.

(sorry and no offence BW but i hope it is an understandable view point to take.)

[Jonathan Seagull]

I don't necessarily agree that anyone was "lied to," but I think the devs would find the general sentiment completely understandable. If you find yourself skeptical of whatever statements they make, your best bet is simply to wait and then judge for yourself. I think at least one or two devs have even advised posters to do just that.

I personally am very much looking forward to it. I'm not a sorcerer (as far as any of you know), so of course I can't be sure, but I'm fairly certain that I'll at least consider it good. And whether I judge it to be "good," "great," or "crazmazing," I'm pretty certain I'll enjoy it a lot. I am curious to see exactly how the story is balanced against exploration, because it's a tricky thing, but again, I have pretty solid faith that I'll find it highly enjoyable.

Modifié par Jonathan Seagull, 04 novembre 2013 - 09:19 .

[Dutchess]

zMataxa wrote...

renjility wrote...

No idea. They seem to take more time than for DA2, which is obviously a good thing. But I am unsure whether Bioware truly has learned from their mistakes. Recycled dungeons and combat waves are the two things that now always get cited by developers as mistakes that won't be repeated, but my main problem with DA2 was the quality of the writing - or lack thereof-, and I have never seen any acknowledgement from the team that maybe, possibly, this area could use some improvement as well. You can't improve if you're in denial, so... I will wait and see.

_________________

I'm curious what you didn't like about the writing.
I really enjoyed the story and the characters.  Some parts/characters I really liked and some i really disliked.

PS.  II personally think that it will be different again in overall feel but that I'll enjoy it anyway once i settle into the new "setting and battle mechanics".  It sounds like the story will still be strong as ever.

The companions were the only good thing about DA2. The story itself was a mess. There was barely any story to begin with, mostly a series of separate side quests, in which you usually ended up fighting and killing an insane mini antagonist. To force conflict, the writers kept using insanity as an excuse to have somebody who can't be reasoned with and you are forced to fight. They pushed this so far that it became complete nonsense, like Orsino turning into a monster while Hawke is supporting him, or Grace suddenly hating you and wanting to kill everyone even if you helped her.

[Ananka]

I'm pretty excited about DA:I, I'll probably even pre-order. It may not become the perfect game, but I'm convinced it will be both good and entertaining. It sounds to me like they've learnt some things since DA2 and that they're putting a lot of effort into DA:I. The ME3 ending was horrible, but I trust them not to pull the same thing again. After a couple of playthroughs I've even started to enjoy DA2 (despite its many, many flaws), so I'm not all that worried.

Modifié par Annaka, 04 novembre 2013 - 10:37 .

[Bizantura]

Looking forward to, yes. But, I hope it will be more like DAO then DAII. At least with the ME series it was always the same world, it didn't matter if you played ME1, 2 or 3.
DAII was a game made for a different demografic and in my eyes a button mashing kiddie game and a total different world then DAO.

I am curious how they will implement the open world part with a solid story. I am not exactly waiting for skyrim origins. However I do understand they want Bethesda's sales figures but never the less I rather have them stick with their original identity wich seems to be somwhat lost since the fusion with EA.