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[Plaintiff]

What does a 'normal' relationship look like?

[Shadow Fox]

Plaintiff wrote...

What does a 'normal' relationship look like?

Safe,healthy and stable?

[TheKomandorShepard]

Plaintiff wrote...

What does a 'normal' relationship look like?

It is when your li don't like burning orphans ,blow up buildings , talk with demons ,hunting down peoples or smiliar things that every li in da did. 

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 09 novembre 2013 - 08:55 .

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

Plaintiff wrote...

What does a 'normal' relationship look like?

as with demands for 'realism', it seems like generally whatever an individual person prefers is 'normal'

[PMC65]

Plaintiff wrote...

What does a 'normal' relationship look like?

I have to admit that this question coming from someone with a Kaidan avatar was funny.

What the OP was asking is that in the next Dragon Age let there be more normal (healthy) choices as well as the mage-hating, blood mage, terrorist, swinging choices. 

Mass Effect had choices ranging from normal (Kaidan) to suicidal (Morinth). Dragon Age II was sorely lacking in the type of relationship choices.

Normal does not equal no issues ... it just means that your boyfriend isn't going to use you to blow up a Chantry. What, that collection of dung was for what?

[errant_knight]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

What does a 'normal' relationship look like?

It is when your li don't like burning orphans ,blow up buildings , talk with demons ,hunting down peoples or smiliar things that every li in da did. 

2, not Origins. There you had the choice of an edgier relationship or something that was quite a bit less so. While Leliana was quirky and had an unpleasant past if one isn't a fan or ruthless spies, she was no longer that person unless you convinced her that her desire to change for the better was wrong. Alistair had an appallingly bad self image where leadership was concerned, but was confident in other respects. There was nothing particularly alarming about either of them.

And really, even the edgier relationships (unrepentant assassin, witch with a serious empathy problem) were the souls of normality compared to Fenris and Anders.

But then everything in DA2 went a little too far. Mages and abominations were *everywhere.* Combat defied physics, dogs parachuted from rooftops and every square inch of the city was poplulated by murderers. In the end, one antagonist turned into a truly absurd monster while the other turned into a giant metal statue,  taking willing suspension of disbelief and throwing it down an elevator shaft. The whole game was over the top. Are we really surprised that the LIs were too? I'm not sure those relationships will be a meaningful comparison to those in Inquisition as I'm expectin (hoping, praying) that the pendulum is swinging back toward Origins.

[Dova]

PMC65 wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

What does a 'normal' relationship look like?

I have to admit that this question coming from someone with a Kaidan avatar was funny.

I lol'd.

PMC65 wrote...
Mass Effect had choices ranging from normal (Kaidan) to suicidal (Morinth). Dragon Age II was sorely lacking in the type of relationship choices.

Mass Effect had normal ones? I guess I never got that considering Kaidan was a stick in the mud, then a fgt 2 and 3 until the ending of 3. 
But yeah DA writers could of done better then having obsessed and "hard too get Anders" romance types. 

Unique is the best way I can put them. I've never been more terrified during those emotionless scenes. Mass Effect had me in the fetal posistion wanting the feels too go away and question why I don't have a boyfriend like Garrus. 

Top it off, a normal person would be good. Sebastian kinda gives that though and is the most sane one out of the bunch in DA2. 

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

so is there is no value to LIs with dramatic potential orrrrrrr

because I see "no X Y and Z' and its like basically saying a love interest character should maintain a certain distance from the events of the game lest they have an opinion or find cause to do something that raises an eyebrow

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 09 novembre 2013 - 09:44 .

[Shadow Fox]

Pseudocognition wrote...

so is there is no value to LIs with dramatic potential orrrrrrr

because I see "no X Y and Z' and its like basically saying a love interest character shouldn't be relevant to the plot lest they have an opinion or find cause to do something that raises an eyebrow

Because having dramatic potential=being mentally unstable?

Modifié par Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke, 09 novembre 2013 - 09:46 .

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

sure. it's a bioware game, and that's 1 character you're talking about. I enjoyed anders tremendously.

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 09 novembre 2013 - 09:48 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

errant_knight wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

What does a 'normal' relationship look like?

It is when your li don't like burning orphans ,blow up buildings , talk with demons ,hunting down peoples or smiliar things that every li in da did. 

2, not Origins. There you had the choice of an edgier relationship or something that was quite a bit less so. While Leliana was quirky and had an unpleasant past if one isn't a fan or ruthless spies, she was no longer that person unless you convinced her that her desire to change for the better was wrong. Alistair had an appallingly bad self image where leadership was concerned, but was confident in other respects. There was nothing particularly alarming about either of them.

And really, even the edgier relationships (unrepentant assassin, witch with a serious empathy problem) were the souls of normality compared to Fenris and Anders.

But then everything in DA2 went a little too far. Mages and abominations were *everywhere.* Combat defied physics, dogs parachuted from rooftops and every square inch of the city was poplulated by murderers. In the end, one antagonist turned into a truly absurd monster while the other turned into a giant metal statue,  taking willing suspension of disbelief and throwing it down an elevator shaft. The whole game was over the top. Are we really surprised that the LIs were too? I'm not sure those relationships will be a meaningful comparison to those in Inquisition as I'm expectin (hoping, praying) that the pendulum is swinging back toward Origins.

No i thought that leliana was bi*** in her conversations how she enjoy killing and in party banter with zevran that she enjoy hunting on peoples then we have her conversation about loving manipulate peoples and her "vision".Alistair somehow qualifies as normal except ritual thing there i will agree.Zevran romance is like "do you want sleep with me? " , "do you want sleep with me? " , "do you want hear poem about sex that i heard from my first target?" and i will skip da 2 romances

[Shadow Fox]

Pseudocognition wrote...

sure. it's a bioware game, and that's 1 character you're talking about. I enjoyed anders tremendously.

Whatever floats your boat I guess,Fenris is too and Merrill is obsessive to the point where she shuts herself in her house and forgets to eat.The only one of the LI I'd consider *mostly*  mentally healthy is Isabella.

[Dova]

Pseudocognition wrote...
its like basically saying a love interest character should maintain a certain distance from the events of the game lest they have an opinion or find cause to do something that raises an eyebrow

No one said they had too stay away from the events of the game. Most Mass Effect Romances were there sense the beginning but they didn't have creepy over-possesive personalties, or hard-too-get-to-where-its-frustrating kinda personality. As where..well Dragon Age just went over the top with all of that into almost all the characters. 

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

Dovaaa wrote...

Pseudocognition wrote...
its like basically saying a love interest character should maintain a certain distance from the events of the game lest they have an opinion or find cause to do something that raises an eyebrow

No one said they had too stay away from the events of the game. Most Mass Effect Romances were there sense the beginning but they didn't have creepy over-possesive personalties, or hard-too-get-to-where-its-frustrating kinda personality. As where..well Dragon Age just went over the top with all of that into almost all the characters. 

I'm referring to their relevance to the plot, not merely their presence at the plot. The difference is that in DA2 certiain love interest characters are directly involved in or responsible for mainplot  events, or extremly affected by them.

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 09 novembre 2013 - 10:19 .

[PMC65]

Pseudocognition wrote...

so is there is no value to LIs with dramatic potential orrrrrrr

because I see "no X Y and Z' and its like basically saying a love interest character should maintain a certain distance from the events of the game lest they have an opinion or find cause to do something that raises an eyebrow

It's about a balance for me. Give me some crazy, some bitter and some sane choices.

Origins had a nice range of romance types but Dragon Age 2? For me it had nothing but crazy meets depressing (excluding Isabel who I thought was fun).

I also like it when characters are part of the story, that wasn't the issue. It was the fact that they were all loose cannons that needed serious intervention. And drama? I like a little of that. If they were looking for drama, hook her up with a Templar and see how that played out. Cullen in love with a mage? That type of drama would have interested me. Even if they didn't stay together. But a partner like Linda Blair that blows up a chantry? That kind of drama ... Not so much.

I am not asking that Anders / Merrill / Fenris type of choices be scrubbed. There are people that like those kinds of characters. That's cool. I just hope that the next game has a wider variety of romance options. That's all. And even though I could never see romancing Merrill, she was a lovely character beside the blood magic. She made me laugh so many times in the game. Her voice actress did an amazing job. 

[Dova]

Pseudocognition wrote...

Dovaaa wrote...

Pseudocognition wrote...
its like basically saying a love interest character should maintain a certain distance from the events of the game lest they have an opinion or find cause to do something that raises an eyebrow

No one said they had too stay away from the events of the game. Most Mass Effect Romances were there sense the beginning but they didn't have creepy over-possesive personalties, or hard-too-get-to-where-its-frustrating kinda personality. As where..well Dragon Age just went over the top with all of that into almost all the characters. 

I'm referring to their relevance to the plot, not merely their presence at the plot. The difference is that in DA2 certiain love interest characters are directly involved in or responsible for mainplot  events, or extremly affected by them.

lolwut. Pretty much every character either series, was present at the plot, and involved. Not directly like Anders plunging Thedas into war by blowing up the Chantry , but involved in a way good or bad. 

Still that doesn't cover their personalties seeing that's how they were before. Anders explains that, before Justice he had restraint against the things he wouldn't do a thing about. 

[Plaintiff]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

What does a 'normal' relationship look like?

Safe,healthy and stable?

See, this isn't any less vague. People have different ideas of what these qualities entail.

Does the relationship in Twilight meet this criteria for you? What about the relationship depicted in the film Secretary? Or the relationships depicted in countless romantic comedies?

Because in all those media products, those relationships are depicted as 'ideal' for the individuals involved.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 09 novembre 2013 - 11:10 .

[Zered]

A healthy relationship?

Hmm lets see... I'd think it should be one that doesn't involve you going out with:

apostates,
abominations,
pirates,
elves with emotional issues,
choir boys


hmm I think that covers it. We should go for dwarfs with chest hair(thic counts for females too).

[Shadow Fox]

Plaintiff wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

What does a 'normal' relationship look like?

Safe,healthy and stable?

See, this isn't any less vague. People have different ideas of what these qualities entail.

Does the relationship in Twilight meet this criteria for you? What about the relationship depicted in the film Secretary? Or the relationships depicted in countless romantic comedies?

Because in all those media products, those relationships are depicted as 'ideal' for the individuals involved.

Except the relationship in Twilight is FAR from safe,stable or healthy and  the other one also has shades of being unhealthy considering the complete control one partner has over the other.

[Shadow Fox]

Pseudocognition wrote...

Dovaaa wrote...

Pseudocognition wrote...
its like basically saying a love interest character should maintain a certain distance from the events of the game lest they have an opinion or find cause to do something that raises an eyebrow

No one said they had too stay away from the events of the game. Most Mass Effect Romances were there sense the beginning but they didn't have creepy over-possesive personalties, or hard-too-get-to-where-its-frustrating kinda personality. As where..well Dragon Age just went over the top with all of that into almost all the characters. 

I'm referring to their relevance to the plot, not merely their presence at the plot. The difference is that in DA2 certiain love interest characters are directly involved in or responsible for mainplot  events, or extremly affected by them.

Alistiar and Morrigan.

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Alistiar and Morrigan.

yea and people complain that morrigan is cold and manipulative and she eventually does leave the warden to continue fulfilling her agenda elsewhere. if anders manipulating hawke into rooting around sewers for bomb poop is unacceptable then how is her giving an ultimatum of 'warden spooge for my old god resurrection project, or i leave' not also unacceptable. because we dont' see the consequences immediately? people also complain that alistair is whiny and weak (and that only a specific warden permutation results in 'the happy ending') but how is his trauma more acceptable/"normal" than, say, fenris'. people complain and nothing is ever Right. its an individual preference.

i'm just observing that proximity to plot is generally a recipe for characters doin or being something people are gonna have an issue with. aside from the fact that the writers are predisposed to dysfunction anyway.

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 09 novembre 2013 - 08:01 .

[Shadow Fox]

Pseudocognition wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Alistiar and Morrigan.

yea and people complain that morrigan is cold and manipulative and she eventually does leave the warden to continue fulfilling her agenda elsewhere. if anders manipulating hawke into rooting around sewers for bomb poop is unacceptable then how is her giving an ultimatum of 'warden spooge for my old god resurrection project, or i leave' not also unacceptable. because we dont' see the consequences immediately? people also complain that alistair is whiny and weak (and that only a specific warden permutation results in 'the happy ending') but how is his trauma more acceptable/"normal" than, say, fenris'. people complain and nothing is ever Right. its an individual preference.

i'm just observing that proximity to plot is generally a recipe for characters doin or being something people are gonna have an issue with. aside from the fact that the writers are predisposed to dysfunction anyway.

Well my issue with Anders/Fenris as romantic partners is their mental instablity really*granted with Fenris I guess it would only possibly be potentially dangerous to a Mage Hawke* Like I said I'm just not into dangerous relationships...hence why I only romanced Alistiar and Leliana.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Pseudocognition wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Alistiar and Morrigan.

yea and people complain that morrigan is cold and manipulative and she eventually does leave the warden to continue fulfilling her agenda elsewhere. if anders manipulating hawke into rooting around sewers for bomb poop is unacceptable then how is her giving an ultimatum of 'warden spooge for my old god resurrection project, or i leave' not also unacceptable. because we dont' see the consequences immediately? people also complain that alistair is whiny and weak (and that only a specific warden permutation results in 'the happy ending') but how is his trauma more acceptable/"normal" than, say, fenris'. people complain and nothing is ever Right. its an individual preference.

i'm just observing that proximity to plot is generally a recipe for characters doin or being something people are gonna have an issue with. aside from the fact that the writers are predisposed to dysfunction anyway.

Well my issue with Anders/Fenris as romantic partners is their mental instablity really*granted with Fenris I guess it would only possibly be potentially dangerous to a Mage Hawke* Like I said I'm just not into dangerous relationships...hence why I only romanced Alistiar and Leliana.

leliana mentaly stable and safe relationship?

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 09 novembre 2013 - 08:43 .

[Shadow Fox]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Pseudocognition wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Alistiar and Morrigan.

yea and people complain that morrigan is cold and manipulative and she eventually does leave the warden to continue fulfilling her agenda elsewhere. if anders manipulating hawke into rooting around sewers for bomb poop is unacceptable then how is her giving an ultimatum of 'warden spooge for my old god resurrection project, or i leave' not also unacceptable. because we dont' see the consequences immediately? people also complain that alistair is whiny and weak (and that only a specific warden permutation results in 'the happy ending') but how is his trauma more acceptable/"normal" than, say, fenris'. people complain and nothing is ever Right. its an individual preference.

i'm just observing that proximity to plot is generally a recipe for characters doin or being something people are gonna have an issue with. aside from the fact that the writers are predisposed to dysfunction anyway.

Well my issue with Anders/Fenris as romantic partners is their mental instablity really*granted with Fenris I guess it would only possibly be potentially dangerous to a Mage Hawke* Like I said I'm just not into dangerous relationships...hence why I only romanced Alistiar and Leliana.

leliana mentaly stable and safe relationship?

Considering she's not bat**** insane and/or doesn't have murderous inclinations towards you yes.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Pseudocognition wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Alistiar and Morrigan.

yea and people complain that morrigan is cold and manipulative and she eventually does leave the warden to continue fulfilling her agenda elsewhere. if anders manipulating hawke into rooting around sewers for bomb poop is unacceptable then how is her giving an ultimatum of 'warden spooge for my old god resurrection project, or i leave' not also unacceptable. because we dont' see the consequences immediately? people also complain that alistair is whiny and weak (and that only a specific warden permutation results in 'the happy ending') but how is his trauma more acceptable/"normal" than, say, fenris'. people complain and nothing is ever Right. its an individual preference.

i'm just observing that proximity to plot is generally a recipe for characters doin or being something people are gonna have an issue with. aside from the fact that the writers are predisposed to dysfunction anyway.

Well my issue with Anders/Fenris as romantic partners is their mental instablity really*granted with Fenris I guess it would only possibly be potentially dangerous to a Mage Hawke* Like I said I'm just not into dangerous relationships...hence why I only romanced Alistiar and Leliana.

leliana mentaly stable and safe relationship?

Considering she's not bat**** insane and/or doesn't have murderous inclinations towards you yes.

Well only if we compare her to anders or fenris but still i wouldn't compare her to alistair more to morrigan who is pretending nice girl well she wants also kill you if you destroy ashes skiping all this weird sh*** about her.