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[Judge_Dredd abc]

Hello everyone my name is DREDD Judge Dredd and before we being just a wee bit of background on me i'm 27 I started gaming way back when red alert was first released yeah that long ago back when they were made by Westwood studios but after the ending of what I consider to be Red Alert I was turned on to a grate game called Baldurs Gate released in 1998 made by a relatively new gaming company called Bioware And I was impressed and I've bought every game Bioware has made since then that's 19 years if anyone is counting

 
And yet, if it was released tomorrow, I doubt I could be persuaded to pay out of hand for Mass Effect 4. I doubt that I would even rent it and it's not just because of the weak ending to one of the biggest Syfi games of our generation, a game often called Firefly meets Star wars Meets Blade runner what makes me say that is the way in which you guys at Bioware handled and continue to handle the situation about the ending of ME3 NOW you guys at Bioware can try to feed me the company line that was spouted by Mr. Zeschuk time and time again that being that my self and others had and I quote here "An Unreasonable Expectation for the ME3 Ending" And being a costumer of this studio for more than 20 years now, I will call bull **** and I will be right I've played the RPG games that this studio released I've experienced there endings more than enough and I can tell when someone goof's AND someone dun goof'd and they goof'd hard


And that's going to be the main point of my post Bioware you guys dun goof'd and when you did try to fix it....you half assed it now I think a few people did go a bit far in there criticism and there actions I my self wouldn't have gone as far as to file a false advertising complaint with the Federal Trade Commission that's me but sadly to say this El_Spiko whom filed that complaint isn't far from right in what he said

Those clams being that Bioware exces said things before the games launch that turned out were not true I my self honestly cant see buying another Bioware game even if it was Kotor3 even though I still own and play KoTor 1 and 2 and love them until the ending for ME3 is actually fixed and not left half assed Leaving this game's ending half assed in the manner it was will stain this company's reputation in my book in the same manner that Infinity wards reputation was and is stained because of their handing of the Modern Warfare 2 **** storm you guys said we would have an ending a real concussion SO give us our ending's we waited 5 years for give us our Paragon ending give us our Renagade ending and give us our neutral ending

Modifié par Judge_Dredd abc, 03 novembre 2013 - 03:15 .

[voteDC]

I always took what Bioware said with a pinch of salt after they said we would be getting plenty of DLC for Mass Effect 1. We then got two pieces, one not made by them, before it was suddenly "that's your let."

Specifically in regard to Mass Effect 3 though, yeah things do seem a little damning with all the statements they made pre-release but I would like to think it was simply over-enthusiasm for their new product, rather than anything deliberately misleading.

[Judge_Dredd abc]

voteDC wrote...
Specifically in regard to Mass Effect 3 though, yeah things do seem a little damning with all the statements they made pre-release but I would like to think it was simply over-enthusiasm for their new product, rather than anything deliberately misleading.

And I would like to believe that they were over-enthusiastic for the release of ME3 but all the interviews that Mr. Hudson did leading upto the games launch talking about the endings and how my choices through ME1 and ME2 will effect the ending of ME3 were not true

[FlamingBoy]

Basic levels of honesty, and that's the first step

[thehomeworld]

Well they need to prove to them they can do it and do it well the second time through they need to win them back with consistent writing, keeping the same team the whole 2 -3 games, plan out all the games you want to make with this character if Jenna Cross is going to star in 2 games you need to plan them both start to finish choices that are action reaction logic and sense based no half assing it or changing entire themes and gears from one game to the next.

Case in point ME vs ME2 beyond starring shep and having a very thin icing of stopping the reapers what did railroading us to TIMs side, giving us terminator baby, and having us kill reaper shoe in aka the collectors have to do with us fighting the reapers save getting the reapers so angry they would attack Earth? Everything done even of minor importance in ME2 was retconed, invalidated, or handwaved by 3 so all they should've done by that point was make ME3 the sequel to ME and ME2 ocean eleven in space would never have been made there was more linkage in 3 - 1 then in 1 - 2.

Stop toying with our beloved convo wheel and taking away player control for more movie like progression. Lots of people hated autospeech their shep was constantly ripped from their control to talk endlessly with npcs. The neutral shep was gone from the picture completely and ren was reduced. Player want to be apart of the conversation and steer it like we did in ME.

Speaking of ren the para vs ren thing needs to be worked out ren all series long is bi-polar he doesn't know if he's doing it to be harsh yet brutally tactical or just a wise-a*s*s while para is so good it hurts to watch sometimes and somehow it always works out to rosy if fails happen they need to be logical not done for the fail aspect but poor neutral is neglected he's not the common sense man he's just dense or stubborn.

Keep character constancy if its established in ME4 Gable loves Turians then don't have him shack up with a Human in ME5 because you didn't give us any hints in ME4 he liked both Turians and Humans. Which players all know why Gable wasn't into humans back in ME4 because he was never made that way at end product. Like wise if characters hate humans unless we get moments of them warming up to our hero or human crew then don't have them be all buddies by ME5 w/o any showing us how they got there.

Stop contriving your narrative for the shock factor or player accessibility its not cool to kill off your lead then bring them back via space magic then not explain your space magic in full detail. It isn't alright to force us to work for our enemies and not allow us to go to our allies and get logical reason as to why they don't care all their peeps are dying a handwave of we have laundry to do isn't going to cut it. It's not cool to bill curtain choices as super important then invalidating it in the next game(s), it ain't right for you to bill Harbi in ME2 as our villain for 3 then replace him and give us 3 retarded antagonist you bill him as our nemesis then make him that way with less smack and more action, its not cool to tell us to kill the reapers or the galaxy will end then give us the choice to fuse with or take them over because in the last five minutes new possibilities opened up despite the fact we have contrary evidence all series long, its not cool to give villains crappy reasons for eating the galaxy as, we want to save you from robots eating you by sending robots to eat you sometimes their motives don't need to be explained, its not ok to say we're going to be punished for this then skip the punishment, really I could go on and on but I think you get the point We've ranted long to tell you where you've screwed up the most in this department.

They need to make their fem lead just as important as their male write the scenes so its easy both sexes work so no more butch comes out you did fairly good here BW but still we can all see where her manliness comes out you've been told forever about this. She needs to have promotional material maybe just say in the freaking trailers choose your hero show female version and show male version. Keep her and her crew believable by having them dressed for their freaking job and hazards with full armor and functional casual wear not inverse sexy titillation wear if you want the later for a dlc or after unlocking character clothing choice fine but don't start them in the ridiculous outfits first you know first impressions count! And freaking don't make players have to beg you all series long to give her her own motion captured walking, running, sitting, ect.

Our choices have to matter not always within 5 minutes of making them but long term in the game so what the player has to go back to ME4 and change x and y so he can get the outcome he wanted to happen in ME5 that's making the player have to think wisely about the larger implications of their actions. BW you really need to plan out the choices you want and how they'll actually do meaningful and noticeable and logical things not just small but big and even plot changing in the squeals that fallow no more we'll have the players make this choice in ME4 but hadwaive it in ME5 cuz new players and we don't like having consequences or achievements gained players might get mad if we actually make it count on large scales. As long as you can connect the dots between choice in ME4 and its consequence rationally in ME5 no one will complain if its not rational then yeah they'll complain for instance:

We saved Legion, we hacked the heretics, they're our guys in 3 not reapers, legion gets kidnapped by reapers and brainwashed, he intern asks shep to use the code to help his people shep agrees the code isn't awareness its hack geth get hacked to reaper side and kill quarians nearly all die a few Rann + Tali + Shep flee lose Rannoch till war end. All this is in line with what reapers can do now how do we save Rannoch?

We can go back and kill Legion getting rid of the entire plot and only Qurians retake Rannoch with shep + Turian and Rachni volunteers vs reaper forces or we can save legion but blow up the heretics depending on how you treated legion in 2 if ren him and his people leave the solar system for a new life if para only a fraction of geth stay to help you fight the reapers the rest leave as they don't care what happens Legion is personally with you after aiding you on Tuchanka with air support all other geth forces assist where needed and its you vs reapers at Rannoch then due to Legion asking for help his geth forces swoop in to help turn the tide and we save the planet.

[Teddie Sage]

Probably an additional "choices" pack to give Shepard more endings options and maybe a Successful Refusal cutscene? Yep. That would work well without having to change the other endings. Just giving players more options.

[Br3admax]

How many players left, exactly? Aside from BSN, which is not a representative of any BioWare fanbase, I'm not sure that many actually left.

[IST]

Rubios wrote...

Did they leave?

I also, don't remember leaving...

[IST]

Mass Effect is one of the biggest names in gaming bar NONE.

It still gets to the final 3 of any 'Game of the Decade' or 'Series of the Decade' competitions, it wins most.

There might have been a big uproar at the ending, but the series has sold a crapload since release on all platforms, it's a killer app and will be no-doubt one of the biggest selling games next gen as well; there is mad love for the franchise all around, especially since the much redeeming Citadel and Extended Cut stuff got launched.

There will always be the small percentage of cry babies and such, but the TRUE fans are able to forgive and move on, and appreciate the true awesomeness that is, Mass Effect.

Modifié par DEMIKLY, 26 novembre 2013 - 06:10 .

[Sanunes]

Firstly, I don't want any changes to Mass Effect 3 to the majority of the people still upset about it I can't see any changes to it being enough to satisfy what they want and what is responsible to do as a company. The other thing is I don't want BioWare to listen too closely to what people want in the game either not because they didn't make a mistake, but the moment they make that kind of choice its no longer their game its a game being aimed at a specific customer.

My favorite BioWare games have always been the first game in the franchise (I have never cared for the expansions either) simply because it was new and it was also purely based on what they wanted to make, no "the fans like this feature so lets improve it" or "the fans hate this feature remove or change it". Giving feedback is one thing, but implementing specific changes I think will doom the next game before it even begins.

[2Pac]

Here we go riving old topics that haven't had a response in over a month.

[Malanek]

Just make a good game. Even if previous fans don't buy it immediately, they will still be keeping an eye on it and if they hear it is good then they wont be able to resist. I expect them to have learned form the ending response regardless of what they have said.

[Iakus]

Good first step would be to make a clean break from the current trilogy. Leave it behind and focus on a new story, with no connection to Shepard or Shepard's story. Including how it ended.

[Ieldra]

Here's what would make me want to get the next ME game:

(1) No soldier as a player character. I'm really sick of those and the whole military stuff.
(2) If it's a roleplaying game, let me actually roleplay (ME2 did this to some extent, ME3 didn't). Don't force me into a "badass action hero" archetype.
(3) No heavy-handed thematic messages I can't opt out of. Let the players make real decisions which give the story different thematic aspects.
(4) Ground your drama in the world.
(5) Remove the mysticism.

Above all, don't write a story as if for a movie and then attempt to make a game of it. Make a story - or rather a story set - fit for a game that can accommodate a significant level of player agency.

[David7204]

The player shouldn't be able to choose the story's themes.

[Jackal13th]

I'll wate till i see it on you tube before i buy it . so ill have a wate and see stand.

[Texhnolyze101]

DEMIKLY wrote...

Mass Effect is one of the biggest names in gaming bar NONE.

It still gets to the final 3 of any 'Game of the Decade' or 'Series of the Decade' competitions, it wins most.

There might have been a big uproar at the ending, but the series has sold a crapload since release on all platforms, it's a killer app and will be no-doubt one of the biggest selling games next gen as well; there is mad love for the franchise all around, especially since the much redeeming Citadel and Extended Cut stuff got launched.

There will always be the small percentage of cry babies and such, but the TRUE fans are able to forgive and move on, and appreciate the true awesomeness that is, Mass Effect.

lol

[Reever]

Linkenski wrote...

Get rid of Autodialogue and SuperHack is all I ask for... no, alright, SuperHack can stay. After all I did like some of the stuff he wrote... just none of those he made in ME3 which are all riddled with some really unintelligent dialogue.

Yes to the former, no to the latter  Which you also seem to agree to xD

I really think some people really really got too disappointed. And it's their own right, but...I still love this series. And I can't wait to see what Bioware still has in store for us. But of course, I can only hope they learnt from their mistakes (which everbody makes, really).

[Faust1979]

I never stopped being fan Mass Effect 3 is my favorite of the three games so far

[Wulfram]

Make a good game.

[2Pac]

Jackal13th wrote...

I'll wate till i see it on you tube before i buy it . so ill have a wate and see stand.

"Wait"

[rekn2]

David7204 wrote...

The player shouldn't be able to choose the story's themes.

so we should just buy games at random?

[SilJeff]

rekn2 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

The player shouldn't be able to choose the story's themes.

so we should just buy games at random?

Being able to choose the game's overall theme means the writers will have to write several different themed stories. That will definitely reduce the quality of the story. Writers like all people can only do so much