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[Heimdall]

The Xand wrote...

Dragon Age literally starts with the Maker casting out the darkspawn and beginning the Blights.

Which is lore, not plot.  The distinction is quite important.

You seem unwilling to accept the hints of a rather darker nature of the Chantry and it's god.

Oh, I have not doubt the Chantry is corrupt as they come, at least in regards to many of its officials and those that use it as an excuse to wield power.  They're no different from other people.  Aside from the Mage thing though, most of their morals aren't half bad.  as for the Maker, I have no opinion on him good or bad.  He has never been relevant enough to the plot to be worth the focus of my attention.  Lack of more direct sources as to his intentions have prevented me from forming an opinion otherwise.

At the end of the day, I just find the idea of yet another tale of deceptive cults and the like to be beyond boring.

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 04 novembre 2013 - 09:18 .

[The Xand]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

The Xand wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Just so you know, editing other posts to conform them to your perceptions is looked on poorly here.

And in reply, you know what I said.

Indeed. I rather blew apart your point did I not? You might almost say it was simple.

At this point you're coming across as excessively confrontational.  I'd prefer if you and EntropicAngel dropped this tangent.

And declaring yourself the winner in a discussion of opinions and perspectives (tangent or otherwise) isn't something I like to see either.


To everyone: Play nice.

I've been debating for hours now and I think maybe I've sailed into straight up arguing territory. I'll stop and rest now I think.

Sorry to all for any offense that I caused and thank you for the banter and debate!

Modifié par The Xand, 04 novembre 2013 - 09:18 .

[Heimdall]

The Xand wrote...

I suppose next you'll be denying the French influence on Orlesia.

No, because that's precisely what it is, an influence, not an analog.

[Allan Schumacher]

I've been debating for hours now and I think maybe I've sailed into straight up arguing territory. I'll stop and rest now I think.

No worries. Internet combined with being human. I appreciate it, however.

[Afro_Explosion]

The things that happen when im gone

[Estelindis]

The Xand wrote...

Sorry to all for any offense that I caused and thank you for the banter and debate!

No offence caused in my case.  Thank you for the discussion as well.  

[ghost_ronin]

I've always wanted to fight god.

[unbentbuzzkill]

Simply put the maker is a hypocritical a"".

[The Hierophant]

Lord Aesir wrote...

The Xand wrote...

It's a deliberate inversion of Jesus...

To be honest, it's  mostly straight up Joan of Arc made into a prophet.  Little of Jesus to do with it.

Basically.

If you're feeling cheeky you could sprinkle some Moses into the comparison too. Though it's a stretch.

[Hellion Rex]

The Hierophant wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

The Xand wrote...

It's a deliberate inversion of Jesus...

To be honest, it's  mostly straight up Joan of Arc made into a prophet.  Little of Jesus to do with it.

Basically.

If you're feeling cheeky you could sprinkle some Moses into the comparison too. Though it's a stretch.

Ah, the Chant being a reference to the Ten Commandments. Good catch, I had not thought of that possible connection.

[Estelindis]

eluvianix wrote...

Ah, the Chant being a reference to the Ten Commandments. Good catch, I had not thought of that possible connection.

The only part of the Chant that seems at all similar to the Ten Commandments is the Canticle of Transfigurations.  Is that what you're talking about?  In a broad sense, the Chant of Light seems to be more like the Bible as a whole, in that it exhibits several different literary styles and genres.

[Hellion Rex]

Estelindis wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Ah, the Chant being a reference to the Ten Commandments. Good catch, I had not thought of that possible connection.

The only part of the Chant that seems at all similar to the Ten Commandments is the Canticle of Transfigurations.  Is that what you're talking about?  In a broad sense, the Chant of Light seems to be more like the Bible as a whole, in that it exhibits several different literary styles and genres.

Yeah, I was just referring to Andraste bringing down the Chant from the Maker, like Moses brought down the Ten Commandment. I was not referring specifically to the actual content of either work.

[Estelindis]

eluvianix wrote...

I was just referring to Andraste bringing down the Chant from the Maker, like Moses brought down the Ten Commandment. I was not referring specifically to the actual content of either work.

I actually cannot recall ever seeing or hearing anywhere that Andraste brought down the Chant from the Maker.  I must be having a massive brain-fart.  Could you please point me in the direction of a source, so that I can refresh my memory?

[t0mm06]

The Xand wrote...

Most of the time they are exactly that simple. In fact, it's easy to point out what countries the nations of Thedas are based on and the influences of other nations, and the ones that aren't are still blank slates. Some people just look too far into things and can't see the wood for the trees.

If this analogy is  true then you would be the one who cannot see that he is in a forest because he is focusing to much on a tree

[MichaelStuart]

I would prefer all antagonist be mortal

[Hellion Rex]

Estelindis wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

I was just referring to Andraste bringing down the Chant from the Maker, like Moses brought down the Ten Commandment. I was not referring specifically to the actual content of either work.

I actually cannot recall ever seeing or hearing anywhere that Andraste brought down the Chant from the Maker.  I must be having a massive brain-fart.  Could you please point me in the direction of a source, so that I can refresh my memory?

I was merely making an analogy. There was no literal bringing down the Chant. I was just saying how she introduced the Chant to Thedas was similar to how Moses introduced God's word to the world through the Ten Commandments.

[AresKeith]

AresKeith wrote...

If Bioware decides to do this, then The Maker should kill the PC in 5 secs, playing the Sephiroth theme from KH2

[Estelindis]

eluvianix wrote...

I was merely making an analogy. There was no literal bringing down the Chant. I was just saying how she introduced the Chant to Thedas was similar to how Moses introduced God's word to the world through the Ten Commandments.

I see.  I don't think the two are that similar, in that case, but thanks for replying.

For the record, I think that some better Moses analogies would be the opposition to slavery and the several natural disasters that conveniently offered help against a superior military force.

[Afro_Explosion]

Estelindis wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

I was merely making an analogy. There was no literal bringing down the Chant. I was just saying how she introduced the Chant to Thedas was similar to how Moses introduced God's word to the world through the Ten Commandments.

I see.  I don't think the two are that similar, in that case, but thanks for replying.

For the record, I think that some better Moses analogies would be the opposition to slavery and the several natural disasters that conveniently offered help against a superior military force.

As a person andraste has moses, jesus, and mohammed as an influence it seems

[Estelindis]

mx_keep13 wrote...

As a person andraste has moses, jesus, and mohammed as an influence it seems

Among others!  She's quite the spiritual smorgasbord.  

[The Hierophant]

C'mon Estelindis eluvianix was close to understanding what i was getting at while you hit the nail on it's head. 

Though It'll be cool if Andraste returned from the Sundermount after chatting with the Maker for 40 days & nights then found her followers serving a golden robed mage, and in her anger she forgot the Canticle of Transfigurations. Luckily for Andraste the Maker had her write it down as he recited the canticle then had her store it in a chest for safe keeping.

[The Flying Grey Warden]

The Xand wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

His direct followers and those that followed them considered it  "True" Jewdeism, not a new religion.  That came after Jesus.

Pedantry. Jesus is the progenator of Christianity, and Christianity is a religion ergo he founded it. Whether he saw it as reformation of an existing religion or no doesn't matter. A new religion was born.

That's not how founding something works. You can't found something after you've died, and you certainly can't found something you never desired to found. A foundation can be made in your honor or name, but if you didn't found it, it isn't yours.

Christianity only became an actual religion hundreds of years after jesus died, and by then there had been so many retellings and alternate versions the now converted romans had to hold an entire meeting just to figure out what was part of what would become the official version and what was going to be excluded.

That's where the terms canon and non-canon have their origins.

[The Flying Grey Warden]

Estelindis wrote...

Schneidend wrote...

Why would anybody delve into an ancient ruin or an unexplored cave? If mankind made the Black City, that doesn't mean the magisters were even around when it was made, or were even aware that it was made.

It just seems bizarre considering how human beings seemed not to have a very well-developed civilization by comparison to the elves for a very long time.  Of course, that's going by the accounts of the elves, so who's to say?

We know next to nothing about elven society before the imperium came. Also, their immortality was a lie, I believe gaider himself confirmed it was a lie they made up about the humans long ago that stuck.

[GreyLycanTrope]

ghost_ronin wrote...

I've always wanted to fight god.

Been there, done that.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 05 novembre 2013 - 12:45 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

The Maker doesn't exist. The Chant of Light is a lie. Andraste was a ****.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 05 novembre 2013 - 12:47 .