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[Senya]

A **** that brought an end to your precious Tevinter dominance, you mean?

[Estelindis]

The Hierophant wrote...

C'mon Estelindis eluvianix was close to understanding what i was getting at while you hit the nail on it's head. 

Though It'll be cool if Andraste returned from the Sundermount after chatting with the Maker for 40 days & nights then found her followers serving a golden robed mage, and in her anger she forgot the Canticle of Transfigurations. Luckily for Andraste the Maker had her write it down as he recited the canticle then had her store it in a chest for safe keeping.

Haha!  Would be very convenient for Andraste but a bit more boring for us.  

Sorry if I'm being a pain, by the way.  I'm just very interested in precise details when it comes to religious stuff because of my job.  

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

We know next to nothing about elven society before the imperium came. Also, their immortality was a lie, I believe gaider himself confirmed it was a lie they made up about the humans long ago that stuck.

Really?  I'll have to look that up.  You know, I always suspected it was something they made up, but lately I'd started to wonder if it might ever have been true, even though the demographic implications would have been rather scary (even with uthenera).

[Afro_Explosion]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

The Maker doesn't exist. The Chant of Light is a lie. Andraste was a ****.

Someone's a bit testy:P

[MassivelyEffective0730]

almostinsane99 wrote...

A **** that brought an end to your precious Tevinter dominance, you mean?

Who says anything about me being a fan of Tevinter or Mages?

I'm just a guarish rogue from Highever out to make a new world based on common sense and rationality.

[The Hierophant]

Estelindis wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

C'mon Estelindis eluvianix was close to understanding what i was getting at while you hit the nail on it's head. 

Though It'll be cool if Andraste returned from the Sundermount after chatting with the Maker for 40 days & nights then found her followers serving a golden robed mage, and in her anger she forgot the Canticle of Transfigurations. Luckily for Andraste the Maker had her write it down as he recited the canticle then had her store it in a chest for safe keeping.

Haha!  Would be very convenient for Andraste but a bit more boring for us.  

What? that was exciting!

lol nah.

Sorry if I'm being a pain, by the way.  I'm just very interested in precise details when it comes to religious stuff because of my job.  

I was thinking about asking you what your profession is, but i'm afraid i'll be attacked by a reject from a Dan Brown novel if i did so.

Modifié par The Hierophant, 05 novembre 2013 - 01:10 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Oh The Xand, your vitriolic hatred for religions is funny.

But silly stance that anyone who disagrees with you in any way shape or form must be some kind of religious fanatic is actually funnier.

Shine on you d*ckish diamond!

[Estelindis]

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

We know next to nothing about elven society before the imperium came. Also, their immortality was a lie, I believe gaider himself confirmed it was a lie they made up about the humans long ago that stuck.

Returning to this...  I've done a bit of looking around and found this thread, where David seemed not to contradict the elven lore.  He doesn't confirm it either, just repeats it.  Does anyone know where he might have said what Flying Grey Warden mentioned?

The Hierophant wrote...

I was thinking about asking you what your profession is, but i'm afraid i'll be attacked by a reject from a Dan Brown novel if i did so.

Curses - Codename Hierophant is onto us!  Time for Plan L...  

Modifié par Estelindis, 05 novembre 2013 - 01:23 .

[billy the squid]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Oh The Xand, your vitriolic hatred for religions is funny.

But silly stance that anyone who disagrees with you in any way shape or form must be some kind of religious fanatic is actually funnier.

Shine on you d*ckish diamond!

We need an IT nut job style poster in the DA forums, there's not enough conspiracy theory shennanigans here.

Modifié par billy the squid, 05 novembre 2013 - 01:28 .

[Afro_Explosion]

Estelindis wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

We know next to nothing about elven society before the imperium came. Also, their immortality was a lie, I believe gaider himself confirmed it was a lie they made up about the humans long ago that stuck.

Returning to this...  I've done a bit of looking around and found this thread, where David seemed not to contradict the elven lore.  He doesn't confirm it either, just repeats it.  Does anyone know where he might have said what Flying Grey Warden mentioned?

The Hierophant wrote...

I was thinking about asking you what your profession is, but i'm afraid i'll be attacked by a reject from a Dan Brown novel if i did so.

Curses - Codename Hierophant is onto us!  Time for Plan L...  

 
Thanks for the link really helpful

[Schneidend]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

I'm just a guarish rogue from Highever out to make a new world based on common sense and rationality.

In Andraste's defense, she's not really responsible for the current state of the Chantry. She was burned at the stake centuries before the events of the games.

[Maria Caliban]

Dabrikishaw wrote...

I want to fight the Maker because it has the potential to be a really great boss fight.

I don't recall any boss fight in a BioWare game being 'really great.'

[Schneidend]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I don't recall any boss fight in a BioWare game being 'really great.'

I liked the fights with Meredith, the Archdemon, the Shadow Broker, CloneShep, and Donovan Hock.

[Estelindis]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I don't recall any boss fight in a BioWare game being 'really great.'

Firkraag the red dragon in Baldur's Gate II?  I thought that was a truly stellar challenge.

[The Flying Grey Warden]

I like ambiguity, even if it does led to fan theories that can be more then a little irritating and persistent, here's looking at you indoctrination theory.

[Heimdall]

Schneidend wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

I'm just a guarish rogue from Highever out to make a new world based on common sense and rationality.

In Andraste's defense, she's not really responsible for the current state of the Chantry. She was burned at the stake centuries before the events of the games.

The games?  She was born centuries before the Chantry as we know it was even founded.

[Gear2nd]

I'm new here...and I'm a big fan of Bioware's games (especially DA) and I've been a lurker for months now but why does it seem like most DA fans project way too much into the lore of the series.

Modifié par Gear2nd, 05 novembre 2013 - 02:45 .

[Blue Gloves]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Interesting viewpoint. You don't view the New Testament as historical?

Entropic, I usually stay out of debates like this because I respect others' beliefs and understand that my own agnosticism can often come across as irreverant, even though I strive to be as openhearted and honest about my views as possible.  However, your question seems to be an honest query about whether or not someone is skeptical on the historical accuracy of the New Testament- and its a question that many, many people have posed either to me, or to atheists/ agnostics of my accquaintence.  Though of course I cannot speak for the "movement" as whole (and, indeed, am quite loathe to even identify myself as part of such, since it implies some sort of crazy agenda that I definitely do NOT adhere to), most of the atheists/ agnostics of my accquaintence absolutely do not believe that the New Testament is anything more than partially accurate and mildly distorted at best.  If you're interested in specific reasons and evidence for this belief- check out this article.  It's pretty spot on, if a bit oversimplified, in my opinion.

[MACharlie1]

EntropicAngel wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

Christianity only became an actual religion hundreds of years after jesus died, and by then there had been so many retellings and alternate versions the now converted romans had to hold an entire meeting just to figure out what was part of what would become the official version and what was going to be excluded.

Interesting viewpoint. You don't view the New Testament as historical?

Any religious texts should be taken with a grain of salt and definitely not literally. I took Theology classes taught at Catholic schools and maybe my professors were simply very liberal but even in a Catholic school setting, it's taught that you can't take anything literally. The Virgin Mary was certaintly no virgin...

And Christianity right after Jesus died would be considered too small for a religion but was a "cult". What is the difference between cults and relgiion? Merely the sizes. The proper thing to say about Christianity (or really any religion) was that it didn't become mainstream for a couple hundred years. 

Modifié par MACharlie1, 05 novembre 2013 - 03:54 .

[The Flying Grey Warden]

EntropicAngel wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

Christianity only became an actual religion hundreds of years after jesus died, and by then there had been so many retellings and alternate versions the now converted romans had to hold an entire meeting just to figure out what was part of what would become the official version and what was going to be excluded.

Interesting viewpoint. You don't view the New Testament as historical?

Historical? No.

Truthful? No.

Honestly it seems like stories people took from all over the empire, deeds different cults and "choosen people" have done, and older foreign religious or overexageratted historical events, and cobbled it together with a few name changes.

Also it being finally written down 200 years after jesus died, and another hundred or so before the religion was finally settled for what was or wasn't canon makes me highly skeptical if not suspicious. Its the same skepticism I have over whether socrates was as good as he was, or if plato just had a desire to glorify his hero into something larger then life.

Reminds me of a penn and teller joke. If people csnt get elvis' s favorite fried chicken recipe right, and have thousands of different versions, and thst was just a few decades ago with the advances in literacy,  record keeping, and information sharing, why would people who were around hundreds of years later, where most people couldn't read or write, do with the events of a man who lived hundreds of years ago.

Also anything translated from hebrew to greek to latin is probably pretty dubious at that point.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Schneidend wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

I'm just a guarish rogue from Highever out to make a new world based on common sense and rationality.

In Andraste's defense, she's not really responsible for the current state of the Chantry. She was burned at the stake centuries before the events of the games.

The games?  She was born centuries before the Chantry as we know it was even founded.

And, IMO, she was a deluded harlot having nightmares about and getting high with too much "magic"

I'd like to think that my Warden who became King outlawed the Chantry and the Circle.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Also it being finally written down 200 years after jesus died, and another hundred or so before the religion was finally settled for what was or wasn't canon makes me highly skeptical if not suspicious.

Didn't the Disciples wrote most of it after Jesus died? And the letters that are also part of the New Testament?
Clearly at least some of the Desciples could read and write and have written things down.

You can argue that wihout the original text, you cannot be sure of authenticity of the writing, but given how many historical texts are copies.... well.