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[AlexanderCousland]

This is too easy OP.
Some people are so against any type of "God" they want to kill him in the name of Atheism and Hypocrisy.

[Han Shot First]

If a deity is ever revealed to be 'real' within the DA universe, I hope Bioware gives the player the option to attack him or her (or it), only for the deity to then crush the player character as casually as one might step on a bug.

I'm all for limits being placed on the 'awesomeness' of the player character.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 03 novembre 2013 - 05:10 .

[LOLandStuff]

The Maker played The Sims with the Fade and now Thedas. For all we know he might have started a new neighborhood, or several he then dumps.
I don't want to fight a god. I find the idea rather silly. If he abandoned his creations there's no way we'll be able to find him unless he wants it too. And he doesn't seem the sorts to bother anyway.

[The Flying Grey Warden]

I'm going to take a wild guess and say the reason is people want this is,

1. They want to have their protagonist transcend reality and go into complete power trip fantasy mode, in which even a god is just a simple enemy they can defeat at their leisure, making them supreme to all things.

2. "I had a crappy childhood with some religious focus my legal caregivers tried to shove on me, so now in an attempt to show them I'm no longer part of their religion and hate it, without doing anything illegal, I want to express my visceral hate onto fictitious deities similar to our real world counterparts."

3. For da Koolz, think about it? It'll have lasers, and platforming, and you can climb on the mater and gouge out his eyes. So metal! Just like that other game where you go and kill monsters and gods.

4. I want to go above and beyond my duties as an internet atheist, and not just not believe in god, but kill god so everyone must bow down and embrace my religion as truth.

[Br3admax]

Because when we gained D'sD like combat, we wanted a D'sD like story. We're pretty much half way there already.

[Laughing_Man]

Wounded religious sentiments aside, the better question to ask would be: Why not?
It would make for a more interesting story than an incompetent uncaring god.

[SlottsMachine]

I just want his woman.

[Vulpe]

Let's not get over our heads and try to remain civil.

Let's see :

1) Battling the creator of the world would really be silly and unnecessary. It would only end pretty bad for the protagonist if he/she somehow,by absurd, would end up facing in single combat a being that literally created the world that he's/she's living in.So no, that's just pointless and foolish thinking.

2) Now, if the Maker that is revered by the Chantry is not the actual creator of the world, but a Fen'Harel / Archdemon
like entity that tricked the world in believing he's the real creator ... that would make for an interesting plot twist.

Modifié par JulianWellpit, 03 novembre 2013 - 05:40 .

[The Xand]

TheRedVipress wrote...

Wounded religious sentiments aside, the better question to ask would be: Why not?
It would make for a more interesting story than an incompetent uncaring god.

See, those were my thoughts exactly. I don't want to "kill god", as epic as that sounds. And actually was, in God of War at least. Nothing quite like sawing Zeus' chest in half although I imagine the ancient Greeks might have been a bit mortified.

No, I just think that as things stand the Maker is not only boring but it's incredibly jarring given Dragon Age's darker themes. Ever since the first game it's always felt like they were building up to some great big reveal about him and the Black City.

I think the best way to keep everyone happy is that if the Maker does exist and resides in the Black City then it's not the real deal and an evil imposter. If it turned out to be a primeval demon then the possibility for a creator god would still remain, and be as mysterious as it is in the real world.

JulianWellpit wrote...

Let's not get over our heads and try to remain civil.

Let's see :

1)
Battling the creator of the world would really be silly and
unnecessary. It would only end pretty bad for the protagonist if he/she
somehow,by absurd, would end up facing in single combat a being that
literally created the world that he's/she's living in.So no, that's just
pointless and foolish thinking.

2) Now, if the Maker that is revered by the Chantry is not the actual creator of the world, but a Fen'Harel / Archdemon
like entity that tricked the world in believing he's the real creator ... that would make for an interesting plot twist.

Couldn't have said it better myself

Modifié par The Xand, 03 novembre 2013 - 05:54 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I think it's partially for the ego trip (edit: which is a motive I can get behind, I assure you), and partially because they're offended by the Chantry's hypocrisy and yet take them at their word when they say they have the Maker's favor.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 03 novembre 2013 - 05:51 .

[Hippiethecat124]

Let's try to keep dogmatic attacks out of the forums, shall we? Yes, some players may want to battle the Maker because of that, but not all nonreligious people are A.) that hostile, or B.) are seeking wish fulfillment in a game.

Back on topic, I think games like God of War have popularized the deity-slaying maniac, and because some people think that all sword-and-sorcery games gravitate to that inevitable level of overpowered megalomania, that Dragon Age shouldn't be the exception. I, for one, think battling the Maker would be a shark-jumping moment in the highest degree, and I would be hard-pressed to invest in another Dragon Age after such a move.

However, I think that the idea of a corrupted Maker, locked in the Black City to contain his Blight would be an interesting turn in the story. I'm not sure where it could go from there, but if we want to do something negative with the Maker, I think that could be one thing.

[Schneidend]

I find it hilarious that people are coming in here jumping on invisible atheists' cases and accusing them of hypocrisy, zealotry, egotism, childish anti-religious rebellion, and Maker knows what else even though nobody has even commented in a way that could be construed as such. It's funny that atheists are being accused of various forms of vitriol, but their accusers are lining up in a frothing artillery formation to throw the first stones.

[The Xand]

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

I'm going to take a wild guess and say the reason is people want this is,

1. They want to have their protagonist transcend reality and go into complete power trip fantasy mode, in which even a god is just a simple enemy they can defeat at their leisure, making them supreme to all things.

2. "I had a crappy childhood with some religious focus mylegal caregivers tried to shove on me, so now in an attempt to show them I'm no longer part of their religion and hate it, without doing anything illegal, I want to express my visceral hate onto fictitious deities similar to our real world counterparts."

3. For da Koolz, think about it? It'll have lasers, and platforming, and you can climb on the mater and gouge out his eyes. So metal! Just like that other game where you go and kill monsters and gods.

4. I want to go above and beyond my duties as an internet atheist, and not just not believe in god, but kill god so everyone must bow down and embrace my religion as truth.

I think that's a little bit disrespectful actually. I *am* an atheist but was raised with complete freedom in regards to religion. That doesn't automatically mean I hate all things religious or want to prove myself supreme or even vent my bottled rage. I just want to see a satisfying conclusion to all that Chantry stuff with their Maker that fits in with Dragon Age lore.

Instead of viewing the death of the Chantry's Maker in the Black City as an attack on your religion and an attack on god, why not view it as the death of a false idol? I mean their universe, like ours, had to come from somewhere so it's as possible in their world as it in ours that someone created it, and if the Maker can be killed then it obviously isn't *the* god.

Modifié par The Xand, 03 novembre 2013 - 05:55 .

[esper]

The thing I love most above the dragon age setting is that faith is a question of faith. That means that we don't know if any of the deities are real.

I would hate to battle the Maker, the wolf-thing or anything else, I would hate any reveal about the nature of the Maker, because of this and I would hate for there being some kind of demon pretending to be the Maker at work behind the taint.

Basically, I hope that faith keeps being faith.

[Afro_Explosion]

I stand by feeling that the maker is a flawed ultra powerful being that .wants the love of everyone and gets mighty jealous when he doesn't get it,and andraste started to aid through his issues and her death ended that.

[Mikoto8472]

I dunno, some people might want to kill the dude who keeps the darkspawn taint in the world to punish current humans for the crimes of their ancestors.

Not to mention the dwarves and elves, who apparently had little or nothing to do with the first sin.

[Wulfram]

The Maker as described by the Chantry is pretty much a villain in my eyes. What with the whole blight thing

Though I'd rather not have their existence confirmed, and I don't see how you'd end up fighting them without it getting very silly.

[Vulpe]

mx_keep13 wrote...

I stand by feeling that the maker is a flawed ultra powerful being that .wants the love of everyone and gets mighty jealous when he doesn't get it,and andraste started to aid through his issues and her death ended that.

That sounds like the concept of God from "The Preacher" comics. I must admit that it was a very...interesting and controversial concept. I think it sparked quite a flame of indignation and protests in the more overzelous religious communities.

[The Xand]

JulianWellpit wrote...

mx_keep13 wrote...

I stand by feeling that the maker is a flawed ultra powerful being that .wants the love of everyone and gets mighty jealous when he doesn't get it,and andraste started to aid through his issues and her death ended that.

That sounds like the concept of God from "The Preacher" comics. I must admit that it was a very...interesting and controversial concept. I think it sparked quite a flame of indignation and protests in the more overzelous religious communities.

I loved that comic! It was extremely tongue in cheek though so I wouldn't have taken anything in it that seriously.

esper wrote...

The thing I love most above the dragon age
setting is that faith is a question of faith. That means that we don't
know if any of the deities are real.

I would hate to battle the
Maker, the wolf-thing or anything else, I would hate any reveal about
the nature of the Maker, because of this and I would hate for there
being some kind of demon pretending to be the Maker at work behind the
taint.

Basically, I hope that faith keeps being faith.

Ah but you're a creature of mystery. There are those of us who love nothing more than devouring the lore hook line and sinker and trying to solve it's mysteries.

They've spent too long building up the mystery around the Chantry to stop explaining now. If they do it would be as offensive as the Soprano's infamous cut to black ending.

Modifié par The Xand, 03 novembre 2013 - 06:16 .

[Afro_Explosion]

Modifié par mx_keep13, 03 novembre 2013 - 06:47 .

[Schneidend]

Wulfram wrote...

The Maker as described by the Chantry is pretty much a villain in my eyes. What with the whole blight thing

Though I'd rather not have their existence confirmed, and I don't see how you'd end up fighting them without it getting very silly.

In the Maker's defense, he made his citadel inaccessible for a reason, and humans brought the Blight on themselves in their hubris by breaching said citadel. Of course, that could just be a myth.

mx_keep13 wrote...

I stand by feeling that the maker is a flawed ultra powerful being that .wants the love of everyone and gets mighty jealous when he doesn't get it,and andraste started to aid through his issues and her death ended that.

That feeling of yours has no basis within the story. The Maker doesn't want adulation. He just wants his creations to use the gifts he gave them. He left because the spirits did nothing original and the humans attempted to unseat him. He probably could have just wiped everything out of existence if he was as childish as you claim.

[esper]

The Xand wrote...

JulianWellpit wrote...

mx_keep13 wrote...

I stand by feeling that the maker is a flawed ultra powerful being that .wants the love of everyone and gets mighty jealous when he doesn't get it,and andraste started to aid through his issues and her death ended that.

That sounds like the concept of God from "The Preacher" comics. I must admit that it was a very...interesting and controversial concept. I think it sparked quite a flame of indignation and protests in the more overzelous religious communities.

I loved that comic! It was extremely tongue in cheek though so I wouldn't have taken anything in it that seriously.

esper wrote...

The thing I love most above the dragon age
setting is that faith is a question of faith. That means that we don't
know if any of the deities are real.

I would hate to battle the
Maker, the wolf-thing or anything else, I would hate any reveal about
the nature of the Maker, because of this and I would hate for there
being some kind of demon pretending to be the Maker at work behind the
taint.

Basically, I hope that faith keeps being faith.

Ah but you're a creature of mystery. There are those of us who love nothing more than devouring the lore hook line and sinker and trying to solve it's mysteries.

They've spent too long building up the mystery around the Chantry to stop explaining now. If they do it would be as offensive as the Soprano's infamous cut to black ending.

I am not a creature of mystery per se... I just like the fact, that unlike virtual almost any other fantasy out there were religion is important, faith in dragon age is a matter of faith.

There is no mystery build up around the Chantry. At least no mystery that doesn't exist in real life when the question is about faith. It is a question only answered when dead.

There is a mystery around the darkspawn, but even that is not so big. And left open for multiple interpretations as it should be.

Relgion is an irritating element in fantasy because it is either absolutely true and every person who doesn't believe is kinda an idiot or it is false and every person who believe is a sucker tricked by some evil entity.

I don't want that. I want the religious debate in game to keep being a religous debate and not a question about who is an blind idiot/naive sucker.

[Lokiwithrope]

Because they really want to die. Again, again and again.

[The Flying Grey Warden]

The Xand wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

I'm going to take a wild guess and say the reason is people want this is,

1. They want to have their protagonist transcend reality and go into complete power trip fantasy mode, in which even a god is just a simple enemy they can defeat at their leisure, making them supreme to all things.

2. "I had a crappy childhood with some religious focus mylegal caregivers tried to shove on me, so now in an attempt to show them I'm no longer part of their religion and hate it, without doing anything illegal, I want to express my visceral hate onto fictitious deities similar to our real world counterparts."

3. For da Koolz, think about it? It'll have lasers, and platforming, and you can climb on the mater and gouge out his eyes. So metal! Just like that other game where you go and kill monsters and gods.

4. I want to go above and beyond my duties as an internet atheist, and not just not believe in god, but kill god so everyone must bow down and embrace my religion as truth.

I think that's a little bit disrespectful actually. I *am* an atheist but was raised with complete freedom in regards to religion. That doesn't automatically mean I hate all things religious or want to prove myself supreme or even vent my bottled rage. I just want to see a satisfying conclusion to all that Chantry stuff with their Maker that fits in with Dragon Age lore.

Instead of viewing the death of the Chantry's Maker in the Black City as an attack on your religion and an attack on god, why not view it as the death of a false idol? I mean their universe, like ours, had to come from somewhere so it's as possible in their world as it in ours that someone created it, and if the Maker can be killed then it obviously isn't *the* god.

Odd how you say you are not the type of atheist I described, but somehow you take it as me talking about you. Odder still that you somehow feel the need to defend a position you do not share, as if it did apply to you somehow, when no names were listed and no implication was made about you what so ever.

Even stranger is your assumption that the only way a person could come to this conclusion, or hold a belief that such people exist, is for them to be psychotic religious fanatics. Almost as if you only have an expectation for a certain type of person to disagree with you, and have formulated a response only against that type of person.

You reveal more about yourself being offended, then by stating your actual opinion.