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[Farci Reprimer]

I found siding with Meredith quite easy.

 

I just roleplayed that my diplomatic templar warrior Hawke was simply full of all the craziness in Kirkwall by the end and how every second mage in the city resorted to blood magic. Even if you tried to help them.

Every other alley was filled with demons and madness caused by magic.

 

Hawke's mother was killed by a crazy mage which planted doubt into my Hawke's mind that maybe mages in Kirkwall were beyond redemption.

And of course what Anders did was the catalyst.

 

My Hawke didnt enjoy slaughtering all those mages in the circle and Merrill but he did what he thought was necessary.

 

I did everything Meredith bid of me until she tried to execute Bethany. Thats where my Hawke drove the line and found the will to stand up against Kinght Commander.

[Catilina]

I found siding with Meredith quite easy.

 

I just roleplayed that my diplomatic templar warrior Hawke was simply full of all the craziness in Kirkwall by the end and how every second mage in the city resorted to blood magic. Even if you tried to help them.

Every other alley was filled with demons and madness caused by magic.

 

Hawke's mother was killed by a crazy mage which planted doubt into my Hawke's mind that maybe mages in Kirkwall were beyond redemption.

And of course what Anders did was the catalyst.

 

My Hawke didnt enjoy slaughtering all those mages in the circle and Merrill but he did what he thought was necessary.

 

I did everything Meredith bid of me until she tried to execute Bethany. Thats where my Hawke drove the line and found the will to stand up against Kinght Commander.

Why was templar? He hated his sister and father? What was his reason?

What about Meredith's cruel craziness?

[Farci Reprimer]

Why was templar? He hated his sister and father? What was his reason?

What about Meredith's cruel craziness?

 

He didnt hate his sister and father. He loved them both and wanted to protect them fiercely and without question from everything. But after Hawke's mother died something changed in his way of thinking. He realised that in hindsight magic was to blame of all that had gone wrong for Hawke family.

 

Mages werent themselves to blame but the magic running in their blood which corrupted everything it touched and made even good men monsters.

 

My Hawke did think Meredith's methods went too far until Anders blew up that Chantry. Then in all that shock it seemed like a lesser evil to simply euthanize all the mages as quickly as possible and as painlessly as possible before some of them would blow up rest of the city next or something.

 

In the end he almost let Meredith to kill the last remaining mage in the circle. His sister. But then he realised he couldnt let the last remaining member of the family which he had loved so much to die on his watch. No matter the reason. Because then he would be truly and utterly alone.

 

Something like that I pictured my Hawke having inside his head when I roleplayed him through the game.

[Lazarillo]

Why was templar? He hated his sister and father? What was his reason?

Personally, I think the Templar Hawke can kinda be justified via Malcolm. Despite being an Apostate, his dad was still a devout Andrastian (and this clearly rubbed off on Bethany, too). It's not too strange to think that, being as Malcolm was friends with at least one Templar when he was in the Circle, he might have educated his non-mage children in the basics. This even sort of comes up in-game, since Carver can have Templar skills even if he joined the Grey Wardens.

What about Meredith's cruel craziness?

What about Quentin's? What about Tarohne's? What about Grace's? What about Huon and Evelina's? What about Jess Varvell, or Jakeson Hall, or Hanker's?

[Catilina]

Personally, I think the Templar Hawke can kinda be justified via Malcolm. Despite being an Apostate, his dad was still a devout Andrastian (and this clearly rubbed off on Bethany, too). It's not too strange to think that, being as Malcolm was friends with at least one Templar when he was in the Circle, he might have educated his non-mage children in the basics. This even sort of comes up in-game, since Carver can have Templar skills even if he joined the Grey Wardens.

What about Quentin's? What about Tarohne's? What about Grace's? What about Huon and Evelina's? What about Jess Varvell, or Jakeson Hall, or Hanker's?

The fact that someone Andrastian, no need to accept the Circle. Leliana devout Andrastian too.

 

Evalina was a good person.And very-very desperated. Huon was a fool, but if he can stand with his wife, he never had done what he done. Quentin was a crazy serial killer. Grace was a vengeful b!tch – as Sebastian, whit his army...  Tarohne was crazy kultist, yes your point. 

 

Meredith commanded an entire army. This is very dangerous if the commander are paranoid lunatic.

 

Evelina the best example against Meredith.

 

And: If Carver became templar Hawke got a letter for him/her.

"Dear (name),

How are you? I hope you and Mother are doing well. Things are good here. I've found my place among the templars. It's nice to have purpose, to be part of something bigger than myself... and you! All right, all right, I'll stop being a pain in the ass.

It's not a perfect job, though. I don't really like what we do to mages, but do we have a choice? It keeps everyone safe, and it's better than the alternative. Many mages understand that we're trying to help, even if our methods could use improvement.

Unfortunately, there are extreme elements within the Order. Some argue for a permanent solution and have ideas I hope never take root. Makes me glad Bethany never had to live in a place like this.

I'll wrap this up. Duty calls. Send my love to Mother.

Your brother,

Carver"

 

Do not forget: Carver a rebellious younger brother, who looking for his own way.

[Lazarillo]

The fact that someone Andrastian, no need to accept the Circle. Leliana devout Andrastian too.

The point isn't that it must be one or the other. The point is that it could be justified that way.
 

Evalina was a good person.And very-very desperated. Huon was a fool, but if he can stand with his wife, he never had done what he done. Quentin was a crazy serial killer. Grace was a vengeful b!tch – as Sebastian, whit his army...  Tarohne was crazy kultist, yes your point.
 
Meredith commanded an entire army. This is very dangerous if the commander are paranoid lunatic.

Meredith was someone whose sympathy and trust cost multiple innocent people their lives. If you're going to make excuses for Mages to kill innocent people, then Meredith deserves the same benefit of the doubt. That's the only point I'm making. Both sides do bad things for justifiable reasons. And yes, I'd count Meredith's reasons as mostly justifiable. There literally was a conspiracy against her, being lead by maleficars. And there was a high-ranking Circle member with a name that began in "O" who was supporting Quentin. Wonder who that could be?
 

Unfortunately, there are extreme elements within the Order. Some argue for a permanent solution and have ideas I hope never take root. Makes me glad Bethany never had to live in a place like this.

And that extreme element was being lead by Alrik, not Meredith, and Alrik got good and dead for his efforts.

[obbie31]

All I can say is that most of the mages in the game end up being douches. They are mostly untrustworthy or will do horrible things. Like the man who kills you mom. Or Grace who kidnaps and wants to kill your sister/brother. Or Gascard who pretends to be innocent but actually wants to be taught blood magic. Or how about Orisino? He seems super rational and honest. Turns out he employed the monster who murdered you mom. That's not even counting what Anders has done. I know they are oppressed, but that doesn't make the many things they do excusable.

 

There are too many cases of the game making mages to look like monsters. Templars are no saints, but there were a few rational templars like Thrask and then Cullen. I side with Meredith. But I do not slaughter the mages that surrendered though.

[ModernAcademic]

I found siding with Meredith quite easy.

 

I just roleplayed that my diplomatic templar warrior Hawke was simply full of all the craziness in Kirkwall by the end and how every second mage in the city resorted to blood magic. Even if you tried to help them.

Every other alley was filled with demons and madness caused by magic.

 

Hawke's mother was killed by a crazy mage which planted doubt into my Hawke's mind that maybe mages in Kirkwall were beyond redemption.

And of course what Anders did was the catalyst.

 

My Hawke didnt enjoy slaughtering all those mages in the circle and Merrill but he did what he thought was necessary.

 

I did everything Meredith bid of me until she tried to execute Bethany. Thats where my Hawke drove the line and found the will to stand up against Kinght Commander.

 

If you have high enough approval with Merrill, she sides with Hawke, even against the mages.

Yep, she helps you slaughter mages. LoL

 

Don't ask why, though. It makes no sense.

[Catilina]

All I can say is that most of the mages in the game end up being douches. They are mostly untrustworthy or will do horrible things. Like the man who kills you mom. Or Grace who kidnaps and wants to kill your sister/brother. Or Gascard who pretends to be innocent but actually wants to be taught blood magic. Or how about Orisino? He seems super rational and honest. Turns out he employed the monster who murdered you mom. That's not even counting what Anders has done. I know they are oppressed, but that doesn't make the many things they do excusable.

 

There are too many cases of the game making mages to look like monsters. Templars are no saints, but there were a few rational templars like Thrask and then Cullen. I side with Meredith. But I do not slaughter the mages that surrendered though.

Yes, there are good templars: Thrask for example, who support the mages. And Cullen sometimes, when Hawke spoke with him at Gallows, has agreed with Hawke in some question. Not all templars are totally idiot, but the Circle-system still sick. 

 

You do not slaughter the mages? It's impossible. If Hawke sided with Meredith, Hawke agreed with the annulment. It's clear. Hawke might not want the annulment, but accept it. Everything else is self-deception. (If you support the mages, you also need to know that they are dangerous, not innocent lambs.)

 

At the end Meredith became an abomination. Same as Orsino, except that Meredith was not desperated, than Orsino. Meredith was simple cruel paranoid lunatic.

[SirGladiator]

The whole thing at the end of DA2 is pretty simple, the leaders of both sides are quite literally insane.  Their fighting is pretty much inevitable because there's no strong leadership, the relatively weak leadership of the nice old lady from the chantry was able to put off the inevitable, but she didn't have it in her to do what it took to really put them down before they blew up the city one way or the other.  If they'd fired Meridith, and gotten Orsino replaced by somebody saner, things would've turned out entirely differently, but nobody made that call, so they were always going to fight.  Then it's really just who do you side with.  As someone who played DA1 I remembered that the rite of annulment could only come from the higher up folks, Gregor had to wait for approval before executing it even though things were even more out of control then than they were in Kirkwall.  Therefore Meredith had no right to simply declare it herself, and without that proper authority she's just commiting murder, naturally I couldn't side with that.  Siding with Orsino is siding with a different crazy guy, but at least you're fighting to defend the innocent people in amongst the crazies, and you're doing right by the law.  And honestly, aside from all of that, I'm always going to side with Bethany, she's the only family that Hawke has left and her safety and well being is always going to come first, so even if the circumstances had been different I'd side with the mages for Bethany's sake anyway.  But in the end, the crazies are always going to kill each other, and you're going to have to wipe out what's left of them, no matter which group you side with.

[Catilina]

The whole thing at the end of DA2 is pretty simple, the leaders of both sides are quite literally insane.  Their fighting is pretty much inevitable because there's no strong leadership, the relatively weak leadership of the nice old lady from the chantry was able to put off the inevitable, but she didn't have it in her to do what it took to really put them down before they blew up the city one way or the other.  If they'd fired Meridith, and gotten Orsino replaced by somebody saner, things would've turned out entirely differently, but nobody made that call, so they were always going to fight.  Then it's really just who do you side with.  As someone who played DA1 I remembered that the rite of annulment could only come from the higher up folks, Gregor had to wait for approval before executing it even though things were even more out of control then than they were in Kirkwall.  Therefore Meredith had no right to simply declare it herself, and without that proper authority she's just commiting murder, naturally I couldn't side with that.  Siding with Orsino is siding with a different crazy guy, but at least you're fighting to defend the innocent people in amongst the crazies, and you're doing right by the law.  And honestly, aside from all of that, I'm always going to side with Bethany, she's the only family that Hawke has left and her safety and well being is always going to come first, so even if the circumstances had been different I'd side with the mages for Bethany's sake anyway.  But in the end, the crazies are always going to kill each other, and you're going to have to wipe out what's left of them, no matter which group you side with.

My Hawke's have more reason to sided with templars, because Carver mostly became templar, but this was Carver's choice. Bethany and the mages had not choice their fate.  (I have one Hawke, who had choosed templars at the end for his brother.) 

[Lord of War]

I don't know why people go on about Orsino being insane. Bar the stupid shoehorned Harvester, every point he makes is right, and he does everything within his legal power as a First Enchanter to improve the lives of the mages in the Kirkwall Circle. That 'nice old lady,' by comparison, tacitly supports Meredith's regime, with all the purges, lobotomies, and abuses that come with it. 

[Catilina]

I don't know why people go on about Orsino being insane. Bar the stupid shoehorned Harvester, every point he makes is right, and he does everything within his legal power as a First Enchanter to improve the lives of the mages in the Kirkwall Circle. That 'nice old lady,' by comparison, tacitly supports Meredith's regime, with all the purges, lobotomies, and abuses that come with it. 

Because Orsino's final decision was mad? (Desperate, suicidal, and dangerous). He was no longer himself.

[Pasquale1234]

The whole thing at the end of DA2 is pretty simple, the leaders of both sides are quite literally insane.  Their fighting is pretty much inevitable because there's no strong leadership, the relatively weak leadership of the nice old lady from the chantry was able to put off the inevitable, but she didn't have it in her to do what it took to really put them down before they blew up the city one way or the other.  If they'd fired Meridith, and gotten Orsino replaced by somebody saner, things would've turned out entirely differently, but nobody made that call, so they were always going to fight.  Then it's really just who do you side with.  As someone who played DA1 I remembered that the rite of annulment could only come from the higher up folks, Gregor had to wait for approval before executing it even though things were even more out of control then than they were in Kirkwall.  Therefore Meredith had no right to simply declare it herself, and without that proper authority she's just commiting murder, naturally I couldn't side with that.  Siding with Orsino is siding with a different crazy guy, but at least you're fighting to defend the innocent people in amongst the crazies, and you're doing right by the law.  And honestly, aside from all of that, I'm always going to side with Bethany, she's the only family that Hawke has left and her safety and well being is always going to come first, so even if the circumstances had been different I'd side with the mages for Bethany's sake anyway.  But in the end, the crazies are always going to kill each other, and you're going to have to wipe out what's left of them, no matter which group you side with.

Like your post overall.

One small correction though, wrt the right of annulment: it's supposed to come from a Grand Cleric, or de facto successor (Revered Mother). If neither is available, the Knight-Commander has the legal authority to invoke it. Since the Chantry went boom, it's pretty safe to say that Meredith did have the authority to invoke it at that time. Whether she should have is a different discussion altogether.
 

[Lazarillo]

I don't know why people go on about Orsino being insane. Bar the stupid shoehorned Harvester, every point he makes is right, and he does everything within his legal power as a First Enchanter to improve the lives of the mages in the Kirkwall Circle.

Orsino's Harvester transformation was not all that sudden. He had been supporting Quentin all along. As much as he tries to play the innocent victim, he'd had his hands in blood magic and horror for years. For "just in case the Templars went too far" of course. Same reason Meredith confined all the Mages to their rooms...for "just in case".

[Lord of War]

Because Orsino's final decision was mad? (Desperate, suicidal, and dangerous). He was no longer himself.

 

Probably the worst case of character assassination BioWare has ever written. 

 

Orsino's Harvester transformation was not all that sudden. He had been supporting Quentin all along. As much as he tries to play the innocent victim, he'd had his hands in blood magic and horror for years. For "just in case the Templars went too far" of course. Same reason Meredith confined all the Mages to their rooms...for "just in case".

 

I question this line of thinking. Knowing about the theory of blood magic doesn't make you a blood mage (ask, say, Adralla), and knowing about aspects of someone's experiments doesn't mean you know everything.

[Lazarillo]

I question this line of thinking. Knowing about the theory of blood magic doesn't make you a blood mage (ask, say, Adralla), and knowing about aspects of someone's experiments doesn't mean you know everything.

I don't disagree with this line of thinking per se. After all, I give Wynne Blood Magic as her second specialization (but with no abilities from it) whenever I play Origins, because I think she's the sort of person who would want to have an academic knowledge of it even if she had no desire to use it. The problem in Orsino's case is that we don't just see him studying it. We see him giving support to and even encouraging a serial killer. And while we technically don't know "in-character" the extent of his involvement in advance (though it turns out to be pretty significant, ultimately), it's hard to argue that he could've been too ignorant of what was really going on anyway, given that at least one Circle Mage was among Quentin's victims.

Honestly, just as Meredith is found wanting in comparison with Greagoir, I think Orsino feels like a pretty crappy First Enchanter when compared with Irving as well. That's the point I feel like is most important: the final choice of DA2 is not between "Meredith" and "Orsino". People who weigh it only on those scales...yes, I would say choosing "Orsino" is probably the better pick, even as I think Orsino's an awful human being, there's no denying that by that point, Meredith is probably worse (go figure that you have to kill them both, in the end, before you can even begin to find a solution). It's not even "mages" vs. "templars", really. The actual choice is "target the corrupt elements of the Circle" or "target the corrupt elements in the Templars".

[Dean_the_Young]

 

The fact that someone Andrastian, no need to accept the Circle. Leliana devout Andrastian too.

 

Leliana is only a devout Andrastian in the sense that she self-identifies as one. In so much that Andrastianism is an organized religion with actual precepts and doctrine, Leliana is only devout in the sense that she continually suggests that the Maker just so happens to desire whatever she desires.

[MisterJB]

Orsino's breakdown made absolute sense.
First, we would have to take into account Orsino's personality.
“You deny us our freedom so that you may sleep better at night, but I say it is a restless and undeserved slumber.”

That is a quote from his codex entry and it paints him as resentful of the non-mage population. Then, there is the fact he was good friends with a man whose hobby involved cutting and sewing together middle aged women; not only that, Orsino took great interest in his blood magic and necromantic research. Plus, he was willing to conceal his crimes which suggests he had little to no compassion towards his victims which is in line with his previous characterization as someone who is resentful of non-mages.

 

Furthermore, Orsino's relationship with blood magic is dubious at best. He claims to have never performed it before but he sure is capable of creating an Harvester on the spot.

Plus, there is the fact that has Hawke faced mages in the Annulment, a great number of them managed to summon and control demons, something that should not be possible to learn how to do in the time between the Chantry's explosion and the Annulment.

Ergo, if Orsino wasn't teaching his charges blood magic, he certainly didn't seem to care that someone was doing it.

Now, consider the situation. Pro-mage players usually claim that they were winning but I don't believe the facts lead to this conclusion.
Certainly, you are playing well and you are surviving but we are told very early on how Kirkwall is the center of Templar power in the East and how Meredith holds the true power within the city. All of this suggests there is a great, great number of Templars in Kirkwall and its surroundings that she can call upon; too many even for Hawke to defeat. Remember, Hawke never defeats the Templars, they just let him/her go.
The corpses of mages that are always present; regardless of how skilled of a player you are; indicate that the situation was far from hopeful for the mages.

Therefore, Orsino; who always resented non-mages for taking away the freedom of mages in order to feel safe; finds himself in a situation where the person he hates the most in the world will kill him and then go sleep like a newborn child. That's when he snaps and decides to cast a spell not to save mages or win the battle but simply to punish Meredith and the city as a whole.
This makes sense when you think about how, in the Templar ending, Orsino will do just that. Kill mages for no reason other than to punish Meredith and the city. He even says that he is well past caring when Hawke accuses him of proving Meredith right. At that point, both in the Mage and Templar endings, Orsino doesn't want to save mages, he doesn't want to win the battle, he doesn't want freedom. He just wants to kill those he hates.

[Xilizhra]

You deny us our freedom so that you may sleep better at night, but I say it is a restless and undeserved slumber.”

That is a quote from his codex entry and it paints him as resentful of the non-mage population.

It's directed at the templars, not mundanes in general.

 

Then, there is the fact he was good friends with a man whose hobby involved cutting and sewing together middle aged women; not only that, Orsino took great interest in his blood magic and necromantic research.

Friends before he went nuts. Quentin wasn't doing any necromantic research after his wife died, which he confirms to Gascard, saying that he would have been an unfit teacher.

 

Plus, there is the fact that has Hawke faced mages in the Annulment, a great number of them managed to summon and control demons, something that should not be possible to learn how to do in the time between the Chantry's explosion and the Annulment.

The one at the docks is not affiliated with the Circle. Nor are the ones you fight in one of the Gallows offices.

[Lord of War]

 

Therefore, Orsino; who always resented non-mages for taking away the freedom of mages in order to feel safe; finds himself in a situation where the person he hates the most in the world will kill him and then go sleep like a newborn child. That's when he snaps and decides to cast a spell not to save mages or win the battle but simply to punish Meredith and the city as a whole.
This makes sense when you think about how, in the Templar ending, Orsino will do just that. Kill mages for no reason other than to punish Meredith and the city. He even says that he is well past caring when Hawke accuses him of proving Meredith right. At that point, both in the Mage and Templar endings, Orsino doesn't want to save mages, he doesn't want to win the battle, he doesn't want freedom. He just wants to kill those he hates.

 

Is that hate not earned? Meredith is a tyrant who isn't above political purges, illegal tranquility, random executions, et cetera. If the mages were all going to die anyway, why not take what he'd learned and save Kirkwall from a tyrant? Why not die killing as many oppressors as possible, giving them the justice that the system never will?

 

A noble sacrifice, I say.

[MisterJB]

The one at the docks is not affiliated with the Circle. Nor are the ones you fight in one of the Gallows offices.

First of all, the ones in the Gallows offices that are accompanied by Merril are most certainly affiliated with the Circle given that they are in it.

Or do you mean to suggest they decided to break into a Circle that was in the middle of an Annulment?

 

Second, I wasn't referring to either but to the very first mages that you fight in the Courtyard that summon Shades and Rage Demons that are tagged friendly to them. It may have been some time since you actually played through the Templar ending and I don't have a save in Chapter 3 right now but a quick playthrough will confirm what I say.

It's directed at the templars, not mundanes in general.

There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to believe Orsino is making any distinction at all. Are you implying that you can divine one between Templars and normal people in general from a "you"?

 

 

 

Friends before he went nuts. Quentin wasn't doing any necromantic research after his wife died, which he confirms to Gascard, saying that he would have been an unfit teacher.

First of all, Orsino's letter mentions how the books he is smuggling for him are of a dangerous nature.

Second, if Quentin wasn't practicing Necromany before and after his wife died, Gascard wouldn't even have any interest in being his student. He claims he would have been an unfit teacher because of his mental state.

Or are you implying that Quentin was teaching Gascard on matters unrelated to necromancy, dismissed him and then, by some incredible coincidence, he started studying the very subject Gascard was obsessed with?

[Xilizhra]

First of all, the ones in the Gallows offices that are accompanied by Merril are most certainly affiliated with the Circle given that they are in it.

Or do you mean to suggest they decided to break into a Circle that was in the middle of an Annulment?

I know this because you fight them even when siding with the mages.

 

 

There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to believe Orsino is making any distinction at all. Are you implying that you can divine one between Templars and normal people in general from a "you"?

Aside from the fact that only the templars are the ones doing the oppressing?

 

 

First of all, Orsino's letter mentions how the books he is smuggling for him are of a dangerous nature.

Second, if Quentin wasn't practicing Necromany before and after his wife died, Gascard wouldn't even have any interest in being his student. He claims he would have been an unfit teacher because of his mental state.

Or are you implying that Quentin was teaching Gascard on matters unrelated to necromancy, dismissed him and then, by some incredible coincidence, he started studying the very subject Gascard was obsessed with?

No, Quentin was always a necromancer. He just wasn't an insane (or even necessarily blood-magic-using) necromancer until after his wife died.

[MisterJB]

Is that hate not earned? Meredith is a tyrant who isn't above political purges, illegal tranquility, random executions, et cetera. If the mages were all going to die anyway, why not take what he'd learned and save Kirkwall from a tyrant? Why not die killing as many oppressors as possible, giving them the justice that the system never will?

 

A noble sacrifice, I say.

Orsino is doing it out of spite, to satisfy his hatred, not for Kirkwall which is quite obvious considering that Harvesters don't discriminate who they kill and are ridiculously powerful. After it killed Meredith, what's stopping it from descending on Kirkwall?

[MisterJB]

No, Quentin was always a necromancer. He just wasn't an insane (or even necessarily blood-magic-using) necromancer until after his wife died.

First, you're backtracking since in the last post you claimed he wasn't studying necromancy after his wife died.

Second, now your defence is that Orsino was "just" smuggling dangerous books to the necromancer he thought he was sane (oxymoron). Never mind, of course, that Orsino himself admits that he recognised that Quentin was insane at some point and still neglected to tell the Templars because he didn't want Meredith to crack down harder.

Which indicates that he was willing to allow Quentin to claim more victims in order to protect the mages showing once again how he prioritises his people and resents the citizens of Kirkwall as he is willing to let them die.

I know this because you fight them even when siding with the mages.

It's called "friendly fire", it happens a lot.

It certainly makes more sense than "a random group of mages noticed that the Circle was being annulled and somehow broke in because they didn't want to be left out of the fun."

 

Aside from the fact that only the templars are the ones doing the oppressing?

Did you honestly just type that out with a straight face? You couldn't have.

Yeah, because when people feel they are being wronged by another group of people, God knows there are never generalisations and guilt by association. Oh no, hatred is always and solely focused on the people who "deserve it". Just ask the mages who were born in the South and were never Magisters...oh wait.

 

Besides, the people who are sleeping easily in their beds because mages are in a Circle, are non-magical people in general.