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[Mr.House]

This thread is pointless since the OP is already set in believing any Hawke who helps the Templars in the end is evil and if you help the mages you are good. There is no way to argue such closed mindsets. Along with an insane amount of generalizations.

Have fun everyone.

[Ieldra]

AresKeith wrote...
Well the neutral option that was taken out the game, makes the ending make a lot more sense

There was a neutral option and they took it out? Great, another case of "drama over common sense": Just what I needed.

[Ieldra]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...
Because Hawke could believe that the mages winning would cause more casualties in the long run. Meredith's choice to annul the Circle may not have been the right choice, but one could easily believe that helping her do it would avoid excess collateral damage that might come with the alternative.

Hmm.....I guess that might work. I have a hard-time seeing it, but I've played Hawkes who didn't see things as I do before.

[rashie]

Wulfram wrote...

Shouldn't this be on the DA2 forum?

My Templar siding Hawke sided with the Templars on the grounds that it was the best way to limit casualties.  Since they were liable to win anyway.  And also they were worried as to the consequences if the Mages did win.  I can't say I agree with them, but I don't think they're evil.

(Bethany was a Warden)

The DA2 forums are dead. If you want any kind of discussion you sadly need to place the thread in here.

[Barquiel]

Even if every single mage (including apprentices ranging from young children to teenagers) in the gallows was a blood mage, I cannot possibly see ANY justification for the Right of Annulment in Kirkwall. The circle mages didn't commit the crime, it's as simple as that. But Meredith didn't care. She even leaves Anders fate up to Hawke. To quote Sebastian..."Why are we discussing the right of Annulment when the bastard who did this is right here?"

Apart from that, Meredith also makes it clear that she wants to invoke the Right of Annulment because she's giving in to the mob. This alone makes it impossible to side with Meredith for me. Because if she is going to give into mob rule in such an extreme way, she has failed as a leader and templar.

Сообщение изменено: Barquiel, 03 Ноябрь 2013 - 08:50 .

[Mr.House]

Barquiel wrote...

Even if every single mage (including apprentices ranging from young children to teenagers) in the gallows was a blood mage, I cannot possibly see ANY justification for the Right of Annulment in Kirkwall. The circle mages didn't commit the crime, it's as simple as that. But Meredith didn't care. She even leaves Anders fate up to Hawke. To quote Sebastian..."Why are we discussing the right of Annulment when the bastard who did this is right here?"

Apart from that, Meredith also makes it clear that she wants to invoke the Right of Annulment because she's giving in to the mob. This alone makes it impossible to side with Meredith for me. Because if she is going to give into mob rule in such an extreme way, she has failed as a leader and templar

Hope you enjoyed siding with the man who helped the very guy who killed your mother and alot of other innocent women.

[The Hierophant]

Why is this thread in the Inquisition section?

[Br3admax]

I'm not going to support anarchy for the sixty something mages against the thousand something mundane Kirkwallers, even if I am playing a mage.

[The Hierophant]

Mr.House wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Even if every single mage (including apprentices ranging from young children to teenagers) in the gallows was a blood mage, I cannot possibly see ANY justification for the Right of Annulment in Kirkwall. The circle mages didn't commit the crime, it's as simple as that. But Meredith didn't care. She even leaves Anders fate up to Hawke. To quote Sebastian..."Why are we discussing the right of Annulment when the bastard who did this is right here?"

Apart from that, Meredith also makes it clear that she wants to invoke the Right of Annulment because she's giving in to the mob. This alone makes it impossible to side with Meredith for me. Because if she is going to give into mob rule in such an extreme way, she has failed as a leader and templar

Hope you enjoyed siding with the man who helped the very guy who killed your mother and alot of other innocent women.

C'mon man? Orsino only did it because he was oppressed.

[Bardox9]

The Hierophant wrote...

Why is this thread in the Inquisition section?

No idea. Probably because DA2 threads are loaded with them.

Сообщение изменено: Bardox9, 03 Ноябрь 2013 - 08:54 .

[rashie]

The Hierophant wrote...

Why is this thread in the Inquisition section?

If you go to the DA2 boards and look at the activity there, do that tell you anything about where you need to place your threads if you want an active dicussion about dragon age?

[Barquiel]

Mr.House wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Even if every single mage (including apprentices ranging from young children to teenagers) in the gallows was a blood mage, I cannot possibly see ANY justification for the Right of Annulment in Kirkwall. The circle mages didn't commit the crime, it's as simple as that. But Meredith didn't care. She even leaves Anders fate up to Hawke. To quote Sebastian..."Why are we discussing the right of Annulment when the bastard who did this is right here?"

Apart from that, Meredith also makes it clear that she wants to invoke the Right of Annulment because she's giving in to the mob. This alone makes it impossible to side with Meredith for me. Because if she is going to give into mob rule in such an extreme way, she has failed as a leader and templar

Hope you enjoyed siding with the man who helped the very guy who killed your mother and alot of other innocent women.

Yes, I enjoyed defending the mages from an unjust execution, thank you.

I hope you enjoyed to help Meredith executing hundreds of innocent men, women and children to appease a hypothetical mob...because of the actions of a single apostate mage.

[Mr.House]

Barquiel wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Even if every single mage (including apprentices ranging from young children to teenagers) in the gallows was a blood mage, I cannot possibly see ANY justification for the Right of Annulment in Kirkwall. The circle mages didn't commit the crime, it's as simple as that. But Meredith didn't care. She even leaves Anders fate up to Hawke. To quote Sebastian..."Why are we discussing the right of Annulment when the bastard who did this is right here?"

Apart from that, Meredith also makes it clear that she wants to invoke the Right of Annulment because she's giving in to the mob. This alone makes it impossible to side with Meredith for me. Because if she is going to give into mob rule in such an extreme way, she has failed as a leader and templar

Hope you enjoyed siding with the man who helped the very guy who killed your mother and alot of other innocent women.

Yes, I enjoyed defending the mages from an unjust execution, thank you.

I hope you enjoyed to help Meredith executing hundreds of innocent men, women and children to appease a hypothetical mob...because of the actions of a single apostate mage.

I remember killing demons, blood mages and a liar. I don't remember killing innocents. Any mages who did not want to be fight where spared, with me and Cullen making sure.

Can I have your DA2?

Сообщение изменено: Mr.House, 03 Ноябрь 2013 - 09:03 .

[Bardox9]

The Hierophant wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Even if every single mage (including apprentices ranging from young children to teenagers) in the gallows was a blood mage, I cannot possibly see ANY justification for the Right of Annulment in Kirkwall. The circle mages didn't commit the crime, it's as simple as that. But Meredith didn't care. She even leaves Anders fate up to Hawke. To quote Sebastian..."Why are we discussing the right of Annulment when the bastard who did this is right here?"

Apart from that, Meredith also makes it clear that she wants to invoke the Right of Annulment because she's giving in to the mob. This alone makes it impossible to side with Meredith for me. Because if she is going to give into mob rule in such an extreme way, she has failed as a leader and templar

Hope you enjoyed siding with the man who helped the very guy who killed your mother and alot of other innocent women.

C'mon man? Orsino only did it because he was oppressed.

Orsino is intellectually and emotionally inept for the job of First Enchater. His job is to prepare his students to over come the temptations of demons. He failed on a monumental level. Instead of helping the Knight Commander, the other part of his job, he blocked her at every chance he got. Oppressed or not, his inability to fulfill the role of the First Enchated is the cause of every horror you face in Kirkwall. Even Anders is just a symptom.

Сообщение изменено: Bardox9, 03 Ноябрь 2013 - 09:04 .

[Mr.House]

Bardox9 wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Even if every single mage (including apprentices ranging from young children to teenagers) in the gallows was a blood mage, I cannot possibly see ANY justification for the Right of Annulment in Kirkwall. The circle mages didn't commit the crime, it's as simple as that. But Meredith didn't care. She even leaves Anders fate up to Hawke. To quote Sebastian..."Why are we discussing the right of Annulment when the bastard who did this is right here?"

Apart from that, Meredith also makes it clear that she wants to invoke the Right of Annulment because she's giving in to the mob. This alone makes it impossible to side with Meredith for me. Because if she is going to give into mob rule in such an extreme way, she has failed as a leader and templar

Hope you enjoyed siding with the man who helped the very guy who killed your mother and alot of other innocent women.

C'mon man? Orsino only did it because he was oppressed.

inellectually and emotionally inept for the job of First Enchater. His job is to prepare his students to over come the temptations of demons. He failed on a monumental level. Instead of helping the Knight Commander, the other part of his job, he blocked her at every chance he got. Oppressed or not, his inability to fulfill the role of the First Enchated is the cause of every horror you face in Kirkwall. Even Anders is just a symptom.

Also a person who dabbles in blood magic, knew the harvester ritual and was helping the Kirkwall Seriel killer.

[MWImexico]

Is Hawke supposed to know about Orsino when he is forced to side with the templars or the mages?

Anyway, this isn't about Orsino but about a circle full of mages.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 I did it with my mage Hawke, if only because I imbued him with the foresight to know it would get him in the Viscount's seat. This way, he'll work in the interest of mages without the nuclear response a full-fledged revolution would invite.


Without that knowledge, though? Well, the greater likelihood of winning is hard to argue against. It's good to take a stand and all, but sometimes you have to choose to live another day, and try to make sure you are (more) ready next time.

[Mr.House]

MWImexico wrote...

Is Hawke supposed to know about Orsino when he is forced to side with the templars or the mages?

Anyway, this isn't about Orsino but about a circle full of mages.

It was clear Orisno was hiding osmething, he had no reason to stop Meredith from investagting the mages after the fiasco with Grace. He didn't want her because he knew what she would find. Look at Irving. Irving while sometimes got in an argument with Gregor, he still ehlped Gregor. Orsino didn't want to help Meredith, that is fishy. It's then revealed why. So yes you can play a Hawke is thinks Orisno is hiding something.

[The Hierophant]

Mr.House wrote...

Bardox9 wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Even if every single mage (including apprentices ranging from young children to teenagers) in the gallows was a blood mage, I cannot possibly see ANY justification for the Right of Annulment in Kirkwall. The circle mages didn't commit the crime, it's as simple as that. But Meredith didn't care. She even leaves Anders fate up to Hawke. To quote Sebastian..."Why are we discussing the right of Annulment when the bastard who did this is right here?"

Apart from that, Meredith also makes it clear that she wants to invoke the Right of Annulment because she's giving in to the mob. This alone makes it impossible to side with Meredith for me. Because if she is going to give into mob rule in such an extreme way, she has failed as a leader and templar

Hope you enjoyed siding with the man who helped the very guy who killed your mother and alot of other innocent women.

C'mon man? Orsino only did it because he was oppressed.

inellectually and emotionally inept for the job of First Enchater. His job is to prepare his students to over come the temptations of demons. He failed on a monumental level. Instead of helping the Knight Commander, the other part of his job, he blocked her at every chance he got. Oppressed or not, his inability to fulfill the role of the First Enchated is the cause of every horror you face in Kirkwall. Even Anders is just a symptom.

Also a person who dabbles in blood magic, knew the harvester ritual and was helping the Kirkwall Seriel killer.

It's no wonder he didn't want Meredith to inspect the Gallows. His office must've been chock full of incriminating evidence.

[Bardox9]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

 I did it with my mage Hawke, if only because I imbued him with the foresight to know it would get him in the Viscount's seat. This way, he'll work in the interest of mages without the nuclear response a full-fledged revolution would invite.


Without that knowledge, though? Well, the greater likelihood of winning is hard to argue against. It's good to take a stand and all, but sometimes you have to choose to live another day, and try to make sure you are (more) ready next time.

Orsino's incompetence was clear from the first play through for me. Only reason I sided with them the first time is because by the end Meredith is so twisted and paranoid you don't want to help her. Or atleast I didn't. At the end of act two she is atleast reasonable. The idol combined with the destruction of the chantry sent her over the edge into full kill mode.

[Barquiel]

Mr.House wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Even if every single mage (including apprentices ranging from young children to teenagers) in the gallows was a blood mage, I cannot possibly see ANY justification for the Right of Annulment in Kirkwall. The circle mages didn't commit the crime, it's as simple as that. But Meredith didn't care. She even leaves Anders fate up to Hawke. To quote Sebastian..."Why are we discussing the right of Annulment when the bastard who did this is right here?"

Apart from that, Meredith also makes it clear that she wants to invoke the Right of Annulment because she's giving in to the mob. This alone makes it impossible to side with Meredith for me. Because if she is going to give into mob rule in such an extreme way, she has failed as a leader and templar

Hope you enjoyed siding with the man who helped the very guy who killed your mother and alot of other innocent women.

Yes, I enjoyed defending the mages from an unjust execution, thank you.

I hope you enjoyed to help Meredith executing hundreds of innocent men, women and children to appease a hypothetical mob...because of the actions of a single apostate mage.

I remember killing demons, blood mages and a liar. I don't remember killing innocents. Any mages who did not want to be fight where spared, with me and Cullen making sure.

Can I have your DA2?

Yes, in my DA2 Varric mentions how many mages survived in the mage ending. He doesn't mention any survivors in the templar ending. That means no mage survived and any prisoners would have either had to have been executed later or made tranquil.

[Ravensword]

Bardox9 wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Even if every single mage (including apprentices ranging from young children to teenagers) in the gallows was a blood mage, I cannot possibly see ANY justification for the Right of Annulment in Kirkwall. The circle mages didn't commit the crime, it's as simple as that. But Meredith didn't care. She even leaves Anders fate up to Hawke. To quote Sebastian..."Why are we discussing the right of Annulment when the bastard who did this is right here?"

Apart from that, Meredith also makes it clear that she wants to invoke the Right of Annulment because she's giving in to the mob. This alone makes it impossible to side with Meredith for me. Because if she is going to give into mob rule in such an extreme way, she has failed as a leader and templar

Hope you enjoyed siding with the man who helped the very guy who killed your mother and alot of other innocent women.

C'mon man? Orsino only did it because he was oppressed.

Orsino is intellectually and emotionally inept for the job of First Enchater. His job is to prepare his students to over come the temptations of demons. He failed on a monumental level. Instead of helping the Knight Commander, the other part of his job, he blocked her at every chance he got. Oppressed or not, his inability to fulfill the role of the First Enchated is the cause of every horror you face in Kirkwall. Even Anders is just a symptom.

Don't forget that he allowed a blood mage serial killer to remain at large.

[Br3admax]

Barquiel wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Even if every single mage (including apprentices ranging from young children to teenagers) in the gallows was a blood mage, I cannot possibly see ANY justification for the Right of Annulment in Kirkwall. The circle mages didn't commit the crime, it's as simple as that. But Meredith didn't care. She even leaves Anders fate up to Hawke. To quote Sebastian..."Why are we discussing the right of Annulment when the bastard who did this is right here?"

Apart from that, Meredith also makes it clear that she wants to invoke the Right of Annulment because she's giving in to the mob. This alone makes it impossible to side with Meredith for me. Because if she is going to give into mob rule in such an extreme way, she has failed as a leader and templar

Hope you enjoyed siding with the man who helped the very guy who killed your mother and alot of other innocent women.

Yes, I enjoyed defending the mages from an unjust execution, thank you.

I hope you enjoyed to help Meredith executing hundreds of innocent men, women and children to appease a hypothetical mob...because of the actions of a single apostate mage.

Yep. My Hawke setting many mages alight was quite the delight. I glad that everyone doesn't make choices based on the short term effects. 

[Br3admax]

Barquiel wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Even if every single mage (including apprentices ranging from young children to teenagers) in the gallows was a blood mage, I cannot possibly see ANY justification for the Right of Annulment in Kirkwall. The circle mages didn't commit the crime, it's as simple as that. But Meredith didn't care. She even leaves Anders fate up to Hawke. To quote Sebastian..."Why are we discussing the right of Annulment when the bastard who did this is right here?"

Apart from that, Meredith also makes it clear that she wants to invoke the Right of Annulment because she's giving in to the mob. This alone makes it impossible to side with Meredith for me. Because if she is going to give into mob rule in such an extreme way, she has failed as a leader and templar

Hope you enjoyed siding with the man who helped the very guy who killed your mother and alot of other innocent women.

Yes, I enjoyed defending the mages from an unjust execution, thank you.

I hope you enjoyed to help Meredith executing hundreds of innocent men, women and children to appease a hypothetical mob...because of the actions of a single apostate mage.

I remember killing demons, blood mages and a liar. I don't remember killing innocents. Any mages who did not want to be fight where spared, with me and Cullen making sure.

Can I have your DA2?

Yes, in my DA2 Varric mentions how many mages survived in the mage ending. He doesn't mention any survivors in the templar ending. That means no mage survived and any prisoners would have either had to have been executed later or made tranquil.

Name.
That.
Fallacy.

Especially the part where not a single mage survives. 

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Bardox9 wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Even if every single mage (including apprentices ranging from young children to teenagers) in the gallows was a blood mage, I cannot possibly see ANY justification for the Right of Annulment in Kirkwall. The circle mages didn't commit the crime, it's as simple as that. But Meredith didn't care. She even leaves Anders fate up to Hawke. To quote Sebastian..."Why are we discussing the right of Annulment when the bastard who did this is right here?"

Apart from that, Meredith also makes it clear that she wants to invoke the Right of Annulment because she's giving in to the mob. This alone makes it impossible to side with Meredith for me. Because if she is going to give into mob rule in such an extreme way, she has failed as a leader and templar

Hope you enjoyed siding with the man who helped the very guy who killed your mother and alot of other innocent women.

C'mon man? Orsino only did it because he was oppressed.

Orsino is intellectually and emotionally inept for the job of First Enchater. His job is to prepare his students to over come the temptations of demons. He failed on a monumental level. Instead of helping the Knight Commander, the other part of his job, he blocked her at every chance he got. Oppressed or not, his inability to fulfill the role of the First Enchated is the cause of every horror you face in Kirkwall. Even Anders is just a symptom.

The problem is that Meredith doesn't want Orsino's help and she also won't let the nobilty pick a new vicount and that is not her job.