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[spirosz]

Mr.House wrote...

TipsLeFedora wrote...

Did ME2 plot come out on DLC or something?

Maybe it's a secret edition Spirosz got for making the awesome Beyond Two Spirosz?

ROFL> 

[DeinonSlayer]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...

I'm with you on the class/weapon proficiency thing. Replacing it with the weight thing wasn't the best idea. A neat idea but it ends up not being worth the trouble of experiementing with different load outs when powers are such a big deal. I end up having loads out matching to what made sense before. Soldiers have rifles, shotguns, etc. Adepts have a pistol and a smg

As I see it, the Soldier should be the only class able to use every weapon. Adepts would only be able to use pistols. Vanguards could use assault rifles, shotguns, and pistols. Sentinels would use SMG's and pistols, Engineers would use shotguns and SMG's, and Infiltrators would use Sniper Rifles, SMG's and pistols.

Well... it is fun to load up an infiltrator with a shotgun from time to time. That was actually the first MP character I had any kind of success with.

[dreamgazer]

LOL @ the arguments that are going to go nowhere in this thread.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go collect more positively pointless insignias, dog tags and medallions.

[TheBlackBaron]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

As I see it, the Soldier should be the only class able to use every weapon. Adepts would only be able to use pistols. Vanguards could use assault rifles, shotguns, and pistols. Sentinels would use SMG's and pistols, Engineers would use shotguns and SMG's, and Infiltrators would use Sniper Rifles, SMG's and pistols.

I thought ME3 had a good compromise. All classes can use all weapons, so an improvement over ME2, but there are obvious drawbacks to carrying a lot of weapons or heavy weapons for classes that have powers. And it still comes out better than ME1's solution, where even Soldier Shep couldn't hit the broad side of a barn at early levels. 

I say this as a player whose canon Shep was a Soldier. 

[DeinonSlayer]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Do away with both somersaults AND high heels, and we're getting to a good place.

On a completely unrelated note, I'm liking a lot of the combat-enhancing mods I'm finding for New Vegas.

VATS for the win. 

There's also a mod where you can sneak up and slap one of those explosive collars on someone.

I don't have that one, but there are others where people have made drastic improvements to stealth mechanics. Someone is even working on leaning above and around cover.

[shockky]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
It's not a very good comparison, considering neither Huck Finn or the story about trains have anything to do at all with our disagreement.

It was a perfectly apt comparison. It isn't my fault that you're incapable of recognising a reductio ad absurdum when it's staring you in the face.

I acknowledge the weakness of ME2's plot, but I think it was conceptually alright, and better than ME3's.

You think that a plot that is (a) threadbare, ( does nothing to push forward the series' overarching plot, and © makes hardly any sense is "conceptually alright" and better than ME3's? Yeah, we're done here.

Plus, I rather get agitated at the insinuation that one opinion or position, even one I may not agree with, is objectively disgarded simply because the person making the insinuation thinks that it's lame or stupid.

Boohoo

Modifié par shockky, 04 novembre 2013 - 02:13 .

[DeinonSlayer]

J. Reezy wrote...

Quarian infiltrator + Claymore = Good times...

Wraith, actually.

[Mr.House]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...

Quarian infiltrator + Claymore = Good times...

Wraith, actually.

Piranha foo

[DeinonSlayer]

Mr.House wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...

Quarian infiltrator + Claymore = Good times...

Wraith, actually.

Piranha foo

Haven't got that one yet... but I want it.

[Mr.House]

Reezy can't handle a real mans weapon.

[dreamgazer]

Mr.House wrote...

Reezy can't handle a real mans weapon.

http://play.esea.net...ehue-5cfd74.jpg

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Do away with both somersaults AND high heels, and we're getting to a good place.

On a completely unrelated note, I'm liking a lot of the combat-enhancing mods I'm finding for New Vegas.

VATS for the win. 

There's also a mod where you can sneak up and slap one of those explosive collars on someone.

I don't have that one, but there are others where people have made drastic improvements to stealth mechanics. Someone is even working on leaning above and around cover.

Yeah but you probably have to side with the Legion to get them. Not a fan of the Legion. Now if they had that slave trading like they did in Fallout 3, that would be different. I made some good caps that way. Brought a number of those Talon mercs into Paradise. 

[DeinonSlayer]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Do away with both somersaults AND high heels, and we're getting to a good place.

On a completely unrelated note, I'm liking a lot of the combat-enhancing mods I'm finding for New Vegas.

VATS for the win. 

There's also a mod where you can sneak up and slap one of those explosive collars on someone.

I don't have that one, but there are others where people have made drastic improvements to stealth mechanics. Someone is even working on leaning above and around cover.

Yeah but you probably have to side with the Legion to get them. Not a fan of the Legion. Now if they had that slave trading like they did in Fallout 3, that would be different. I made some good caps that way. Brought a number of those Talon mercs into Paradise. 

I haven't sided with the Legion once. I haven't gotten to their base across the river yet in either of my playthroughs, but after finding that message they left at Ranger Station Charlie... If I see crimson, it dies.

[Seboist]

Legion is the best faction, especially as a female courier.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

shockky wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
It's not a very good comparison, considering neither Huck Finn or the story about trains have anything to do at all with our disagreement.

It was a perfectly apt comparison. It isn't my fault that you're incapable of recognising a reductio ad absurdum when it's staring you in the face.

More like an improper use of a fallacy, considering that your comparison is an irrelevant conclusion (ignoratio elenchi). You're missing the point that I was making to begin with: I'm saying it's impossible to objectively qualify ME2's plot based on preference and bias, with you obviously being against it, and myself for it. It's also an inconsistent comparison, since we obviously have different criteria for how we measure the game.

I acknowledge the weakness of ME2's plot, but I think it was conceptually alright, and better than ME3's.

You think that a plot that is (a) threadbare, ( does nothing to push forward the series' overarching plot, and © makes hardly any sense is "conceptually alright" and better than ME3's? Yeah, we're done here.

I don't think it's any of those things. And you've defeated your own argument by presenting my preference for ME2 as something that makes me seem moronic. An appeal to ridicule. I'm not attacking your opinion, so this really is unjustified. 

Plus, I rather get agitated at the insinuation that one opinion or position, even one I may not agree with, is objectively disgarded simply because the person making the insinuation thinks that it's lame or stupid.

Boohoo

I take it that you think people who think differently about different subjects than you aren't worth your mental effort?

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 04 novembre 2013 - 02:27 .

[dreamgazer]

I'm not worth my own mental effort.

[Darks1d3]

StreetMagic wrote...

I blame Bioware for making it possible to have such disagreement, across a small series, between games only a couple of years apart. There's such a lack of consistency that people see and/or like different things when they approach Mass Effect.

Well said. One of the problems with trying to please everyone I'm afraid. Just doesn't work out very well.

[David7204]

That is laughable on so many levels. Most of all with the implication that something is somehow wrong with fiction that different people get different things from.

[Darks1d3]

I never said I didn't like the fact that they tried different things in all three games(in fact, it helped keep the games interesting), Just saying they tried to attract too many different types of fans, which led to the inconsistencies.

[dreamgazer]

David7204 wrote...

That is laughable on so many levels. Most of all with the implication that something is somehow wrong with fiction that different people get different things from.

Professor 7204? (raises hand)

Can you please explain this a little further?

[spirosz]

Darks1d3 wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

I blame Bioware for making it possible to have such disagreement, across a small series, between games only a couple of years apart. There's such a lack of consistency that people see and/or like different things when they approach Mass Effect.

Well said. One of the problems with trying to please everyone I'm afraid. Just doesn't work out very well.

Yeah.