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[Seboist]

StreetMagic wrote...

I blame Bioware for making it possible to have such disagreement, across a small series, between games only a couple of years apart. There's such a lack of consistency that people see and/or like different things when they approach Mass Effect.

The only thing consistent about the "trilogy" is it's inconsistency.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

shockky wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
It's not a very good comparison, considering neither Huck Finn or the story about trains have anything to do at all with our disagreement.

It was a perfectly apt comparison. It isn't my fault that you're incapable of recognising a reductio ad absurdum when it's staring you in the face.

I acknowledge the weakness of ME2's plot, but I think it was conceptually alright, and better than ME3's.

You think that a plot that is (a) threadbare, ( does nothing to push forward the series' overarching plot, and © makes hardly any sense is "conceptually alright" and better than ME3's? Yeah, we're done here.

Plus, I rather get agitated at the insinuation that one opinion or position, even one I may not agree with, is objectively disgarded simply because the person making the insinuation thinks that it's lame or stupid.

Boohoo

ME2 may not have an overall plot narrative to speak of, but ME3 has a completely broken plot narrative. It completely breaks in the last 5 minutes where the protagonist is raised up by an elevator into a white light then speaks to a glowing child with an overly delayed and reverbed voice who tells you about a problem your character didn't know existed or had any idea about until that very moment. 

Now it is up to your character to solve this problem by accepting something behind door #1, door #2, or door #3. ... No matter which one you choose you lose. You can destroy all synthetic life if you want, including the Geth. Or you can create a dystopia. Or you can change everything. "I... don't know." Or you can stand up for your beliefs and everything comes crashing down and everyone dies. But the break is in the bold and underlined part. It completely breaks the plot.

The reason it is there is because the roots of it are in ME1: Sovereign being as grossly overpowered as it is, and reaper indoctrination as strong as it is. And we learn later in the books about reaper tech itself causes indoctrination. You cannot defeat this enemy without something that turns them off. They had no weakness. 

I always looked at ME2 as a collection of short stories. Each story itself was good. It didn't yank the rug out from under you at the end. 

[wolfhowwl]

dreamgazer wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Reezy can't handle a real mans weapon.

http://play.esea.net...ehue-5cfd74.jpg

One of the best reasons to get a Playstation 4 tbh.

Thanks to tariffs never again will a "hue hue hue" be heard on the PSN.

[spirosz]

StreetMagic wrote...

A positive thing I'd like to say about ME3 is that they should more or less stick to it's formula (gameplay, I mean). I think they finally found a nice balance there.. it just needs to be harder (like ME2 difficulty). I wouldn't mind if they rebooted ME1's story or something, but where it felt like ME3.

That would be nice.  

I think they found the right forumla for gameplay with ME3, so if ME4 follows that route, they'll do great - just some minor tweaks in difficulty and such and it would be fun and not boring.  

[David7204]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

ME2 may not have an overall plot narrative to speak of, but ME3 has a completely broken plot narrative. It completely breaks in the last 5 minutes where the protagonist is raised up by an elevator into a white light then speaks to a glowing child with an overly delayed and reverbed voice who tells you about a problem your character didn't know existed or had any idea about until that very moment. 

Ridiculous.

It was overwhelmingly clear from the very beginning the Reapers had a motive. If you 'didn't have any idea' you just weren't using your brain at all.

Modifié par David7204, 04 novembre 2013 - 02:53 .

[spirosz]

David7204 wrote...
It was overwhelmingly clear from the very beginning the Reapers had a motive. 

You don't say?  

[Ravensword]

David7204 wrote...

Ridiculous, I am.

Fixed.

Modifié par Ravensword, 04 novembre 2013 - 02:58 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

ME2 may not have an overall plot narrative to speak of, but ME3 has a completely broken plot narrative. It completely breaks in the last 5 minutes where the protagonist is raised up by an elevator into a white light then speaks to a glowing child with an overly delayed and reverbed voice who tells you about a problem your character didn't know existed or had any idea about until that very moment. 

Ridiculous.

It was overwhelmingly clear from the very beginning the Reapers had a motive. If you 'didn't have any idea' you just weren't using your brain at all.

1) Reported.

2) You missed the point of her post (or ignored it). She never said anything about the Reapers not having a motive. She said that the motive for the Reapers was a problem that was, from her perspective unknown. While I disagree with her on whether or not the problem the Reapers/Catalyst faced was unknown, I do believe that narratively and thematically, the problem had already been dealt with, and the problem seemed to be very specific, underwhelming, and not tied to the preceding narrative of the trilogy.

[Mr.House]

A middle chapter in a trilogy is not meant to be a couple of crappy short stories.......

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Mr.House wrote...

A middle chapter in a trilogy is not meant to be a couple of crappy short stories.......

And, in my perspective, ME2 was not a couple of crappy short stories. 

[Darks1d3]

StreetMagic wrote...

Well.. I guess the thread is done. David's here, ready to randomly lambast people over minor stuff like it's the end of the world and turn a casual Sunday night thread into a 30 page flamefest. Time to get a beer.

Why stop at "a" beer? There's no such thing as just "a" beer.

Perhaps killing threads and turning them into a flame fest gives Him purpose.

[Ravensword]

Mr.House wrote...

A middle chapter in a trilogy is not meant to be a couple of crappy short stories.......

No. It's about lots of characters, zipping around the galaxy, and making personal errands to solve a bunch of personal issues, whilst doing battles w/ random mooks.

Modifié par Ravensword, 04 novembre 2013 - 03:04 .

[Mr.House]

J. Reezy wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

A middle chapter in a trilogy is not meant to be a couple of crappy short stories.......

Are you telling me Empire wasn't a bunch of short stories? Everything ME2 taught me was a lie!

ESB had alot of barring on RotJ, everything had a point instead of lol here's new throwaway characters with a plot that will be containted along with a new faction who will also be containted.

[Mr.House]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

A middle chapter in a trilogy is not meant to be a couple of crappy short stories.......

And, in my perspective, ME2 was not a couple of crappy short stories. 

Yes it was, because nothing ME2 does was important at all to the main Reaper arc. It does not continue properly at all from ME and it ends in the same cliffhanger state as ME1. It is a failure as a middle chapter and a story.

[General TSAR]

If we follow the Star Wars three act structure for the Mass Effect Trilogy, the second act is suppose to be the darkest where the protagonists are at their lowest points and are put into the worst possible situations.

Mass Effect 2....ehh not really the darkest or the edgiest.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Mr.House wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

A middle chapter in a trilogy is not meant to be a couple of crappy short stories.......

And, in my perspective, ME2 was not a couple of crappy short stories. 

Yes it was, because nothing ME2 does was important at all to the main Reaper arc. It does not continue properly at all from ME and it ends in the same cliffhanger state as ME1. It is a failure as a middle chapter and a story.

And I completely disagree with that assesment. 

Would you like to agree to disagree?

[Mr.House]

It's no Empire for many reasons. Empire was amazing that continued from ANH and setted up RotJ great. ME2 is just a pew pew pew fest with shinies.