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[Seboist]

Mr.House wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

Just play Persona 4, David.

Don't you ever suggest that again.

Persona 3 Portable then?

David would be butthurt that Mitsuru or Yukari don't throw themselves immediately at his heroic self-insert's feet and requires him to max out his academics or charm.

[David7204]

The fundamentals don't change. The parallels between heroes written today and heroes written hundreds or thousands of years ago are overwhelmingly obvious.

[David7204]

Fiction is written exactly the same because the fundamentals are the same? Don't waste my time with silly nonsense.

[David7204]

I haven't played Persona. Bruce Wayne, Tony Stark are both examples that support me. Do you think it's an accident that Tony Stark says that Pepper is all he has? An accident, that Bruce Wayne dumps his glass of champagne off the roof with contempt on his face during his party?

In any case, there are doubtless some counterexamples. It's to be expected. Not every writer is honest.

Modifié par David7204, 04 novembre 2013 - 04:47 .

[Seboist]

No Mitsuru in that image, fail.

[Ravensword]

Keep that hamster spinning, David.

[Mr.House]

J. Reezy wrote...

David7204 wrote...

The hero follows a pattern. A path.

One of the tenets of that path is loneliness. The hero is a lonely man. Separate from the world around him, as if he's somehow crooked. In fact, it's the world that's crooked. The hero is honest.

You see no patten? Liara admits Shepard is the only friend she has left. Garrus outright tells Shepard she's his only friend. Thane admits he's never made a friend in 10 years. Shepard herself appears to have no friends at the start of the story.

The hero is lonely.

Having no family is simply one step further to cement that.

Argument, meet Invalid.

Here is some more evidence.

[dreamgazer]

David7204 wrote...

Why don't you name me off a few stories that contradict me, dreamgazer? Reasonably well known ones. I have no interest in playing "Who can name the most obscure film because that means they're the most intellectual and cultured."

David, it's not my job to educate you on fiction, nor to keep track of what you have and haven't seen, what you consider obscure, or what classifies as a "hero" in your vocabulary.  All I can suggest is that you get out there and experience more fiction.

[David7204]

It's so funny, isn't it? Half the people here have gleefully shrieked of heroism as a 'power fantasy.' And here I am attempting to make clear the very obvious fact that heroism is lonely. And they're the ones who desperately argue otherwise.

[Darks1d3]

Ravensword wrote...

Keep that hamster spinning, David.

Hey, thats animal cruelty. No hamster deserves that.

[Mr.House]

David7204 wrote...

It's so funny, isn't it? Half the people here have gleefully shrieked of heroism as a 'power fantasy.' And here I am attempting to make clear the very obvious fact that heroism is lonely. And they're the ones who desperately argue otherwise.

Because we have stuff that proves you wrong, you don't and can't counter it. You beleive these made up rules you created when they are not true at all. If you played more games then ME series or read more books you would know that.

[Ravensword]

J. Reezy wrote...

Mr.House wrote...
Here is some more evidence. 

I love how this makes the argument even worse. No family? Riiight...

The female characters aren't showing enough characterization.

[TheBlackBaron]

David7204 wrote...
Do you think it's an accident that Tony Stark says that Pepper is all he has?

What part of genius billionaire playboy philanthropist do you not understand? 

EDIT: StreetMagic also brings up Rhody, who I'd totally forgotten about.

In any case, there are doubtless some counterexamples. It's to be expected. Not every writer is honest.

Ah, yes. 

If the writer doesn't conform to Davey's incredibly myopic and ignorant vision, they're "dishonest". 

David7204 wrote...

It's so funny, isn't it? Half the people here have gleefully shrieked of heroism as a 'power fantasy.' And here I am attempting to make clear the very obvious fact that heroism is lonely. And they're the ones who desperately argue otherwise.

Your "very obvious fact" has been disproved about seven times now, so it's not as much of a fact as you think. Quit trying to deflect and admit you said something stupid. 

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 04 novembre 2013 - 04:54 .

[Mr.House]

J. Reezy wrote...

Seboist wrote...

No Mitsuru in that image, fail.

Yeah that's blasphrmous of the instruction booklet tbh

FIXED

[Seboist]

J. Reezy wrote...

Seboist wrote...

No Mitsuru in that image, fail.

Yeah that's blasphrmous of the instruction booklet tbh

I had to purge that heresy from my household with flame.

[Ravensword]

J. Reezy wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...

Mr.House wrote...
Here is some more evidence. 

I love how this makes the argument even worse. No family? Riiight...

The female characters aren't showing enough characterization.

Needs more catsuits. For Naoto. The heroism.

And unzipped/unbuttoned cleavage.

Modifié par Ravensword, 04 novembre 2013 - 04:55 .