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[Terror_K]

While Lance Henriksen is great at doing his Lance Henriksen voice, and it's a great voice, he doesn't have the range that proper professional voice actors like Jennifer Hale do.

[AoiDreamer]

Mordigan wrote...

Hathur wrote...

The only shame I see in the whole situation with male sheperd being used as the marketing tool (which I totally understand and don't have anything against.. Brand recognition device are critical in marketing) is that Bioware could have showed off a really admirable female character lead in a game and used that as a marketing device too.

I agree that Bioware should have marketed FemShep more, but lets not turn this into a feminist arguement.. 

Quite a few FemShep fans list amongst their reasons for playing FemShep the fact that she's a female, and not a male, therefore the story is somehow "better" because of it......although in my estimation, Shepard's gender has very little impact on the story itself.

But you do these arguments so well.

Or rather debates, or whatever you want to call them.
Anywho, it makes it better because most game player characters are male, and it's just so much harder to immerse yourself in the role of the opposite gender, to me anyways.

[Mordigan]

Lord Atlia wrote...

I think people are just flustered because M. Shep gets a lot more attention in the marketing.

Yep, this is it in a nutshell.  This is the root cause of why so many FemShep supporters are so vocal with their adoration of Hale, and so demeaning towards Meer.

Modifié par Mordigan, 20 janvier 2010 - 06:58 .

[Vicmage]

I actually kinda like we haven't heard anything of FemShep. Hearing Male Shep in some of the previews I get an idea of some of the dialog, but I haven't heard any of it with FemShep. Makes the dialog feel a bit more fresh when I ultimately play the game (if that makes any sense).

[narutouk]

wow Hale is my all time favourite she is just a goddess

[Hathur]

Mordigan wrote...

Hathur wrote...

The only shame I see in the whole situation with male sheperd being used as the marketing tool (which I totally understand and don't have anything against.. Brand recognition device are critical in marketing) is that Bioware could have showed off a really admirable female character lead in a game and used that as a marketing device too.

I agree that Bioware should have marketed FemShep more, but lets not turn this into a feminist arguement.. 

Quite a few FemShep fans list amongst their reasons for playing FemShep the fact that she's a female, and not a male, therefore the story is somehow "better" because of it......although in my estimation, Shepard's gender has very little impact on the story itself.

Precisely... "Shepard" being male or female is irrelavant. The core concept behind the character works perfect be it male or female.

The difference being, that even for me as a guy, I'm a bit... weary?... of all the generic "seen 'em all before" male leads in the countless sea of games out there.. particularly action type games.

Mass Effect's male Shepard... on the surface... is not a lot different from the lead in Gears of War, Master Chief from Halo, the leads from games like prototype, infamous... etc etc... just another guy.... On the surface... it's in the game where we see Shepard develop. But from the marketing perspective (and this is what I was speaking to in my post prior), male Shepard is a generic space marine.

Now you take that generic space marine and make it female.. that isn't some chick in revealing "space clothes"... and suddenly you have something that raises a few a eyebrows..... it's different.

Surely my fellow guys out here can't tell me they're honestly interested by all the generic male characters that come out for all these games lately? God knows I'm exhausted of it all. When you see a female character though that isn't a Laura Croft equivalent though it's something new.. refreshing.... thus, a potential marketing tool

And I suspect it makes the ladies feel better too when they see a realistic depiction of women in a lead character role.

The Shep character is designed brilliantly... it works perfectly as a male, or a female.... but for marketing, a female version would be more exciting to see. In my opinion anyhow.

Modifié par Hathur, 20 janvier 2010 - 07:03 .

[Arcite550]

She sounded way way way too butch for me lol

[Merci357]

thanks for sharing this, and, of course, I've to agree with Jennifer, FemShep definitely should get a little bit of time in the spotlight, too, at least a few screenshots won't hurt anyone

[Mordigan]

AoiDreamer wrote...

Anywho, it makes it better because most game player characters are male, and it's just so much harder to immerse yourself in the role of the opposite gender, to me anyways.

If you're a female gamer, then this is perfectly understandable. 

I guess it all depends on how you play the character.  Some people can play a character without possessing him/her, while others do just that!

By possessing, I mean, we project ourselves into the character and play the character as if we ourselves were in the character's shoes.

If you're like this, then playing the opposite gender can feel strange I know.. 

Heck, it's this very reason why I can't play Renegade Shep, no matter how hard I try!

[Taritu]

Prefer her voice acting, by far. As with taste in food or wine this doesn't mean MaleShep fanciers need get their panties in a bunch, different folks have different tastes.



But I can't think of, for my preferences, a better voiced female character. Female Shep was my favorite squad member, because she was a character. And, oddly, I found her more believable as an officer than maleshep, which is really rare for a female voice actor to be able to do. (For example, I thought at the beginning when she/maleshep tell Kaidan and Joker to act like soldiers she sounded more like an officer dressing down subordinates.)



And while I accept the marketing gods decisions (as if I have any choice) I still would have like to see femshep in at least one of the videos.

[AoiDreamer]

Mordigan wrote...

AoiDreamer wrote...

Anywho, it makes it better because most game player characters are male, and it's just so much harder to immerse yourself in the role of the opposite gender, to me anyways.

If you're a female gamer, then this is perfectly understandable. 

I guess it all depends on how you play the character.  Some people can play a character without possessing him/her, while others do just that!

By possessing, I mean, we project ourselves into the character and play the character as if we ourselves were in the character's shoes.

If you're like this, then playing the opposite gender can feel strange I know.. 

Heck, it's this very reason why I can't play Renegade Shep, no matter how hard I try!

I feel the very same.. I just can't stand being a jerk to people that don't deserve it. Sometimes I try to do funny answers, and then laugh, and quickly reload, or wished I had a save close by to try it atleast. But then, I have no issues doing renegade things like, shooting the batarian a few times to get answers on the BDTS content. Infact I felt it very justified in the moments before I sent him to the alliance jail.

[Eternal Dust]

I just wonder why they didn't start marketing FemShep first instead with ME1. Would anyone be really put off by a female lead? I mean, come on. We've got Lara Croft, BloodRayne, etc. Plus, Hale is the more experienced of the two and it just seems so wrong that she barely gets any recognition for her awesome work as Shepard.

[Mordigan]

Hathur wrote...

Surely my fellow guys out here can't tell me they're honestly interested by all the generic male characters that come out for all these games lately? God knows I'm exhausted of it all. When you see a female character though that isn't a Laura Croft equivalent though it's something new.. refreshing.... thus, a potential marketing tool

Personally, when I see a game with a predefined character (s), I don't automatically think about the gender of the character at all. 

As long as the character (could be male or female) fits the story, then gender is irrelevant to me.. 

I play DudeShep pretty much exclusively because I think the story fits a male protagonist better than it does a female one (due to the nature of the character), but I won't ever deny that FemShep has a place in the Mass Effect Universe.

[Marlina]

Ugh, nice to hear Hale again, but that interviewer's voice was just horrible.

And I prefer Hale's voice acting because FemShep's one of the few non-oversexualized female leads in video games, and I just find her voice more pleasant to listen to.

[packardbell]

While I adore Miss Hale in other games I just prefer playing male shepard and his voicing ability in general.

[Doright36]

It's funny to see people say they liked Mr. Meers' voice for Renegade Shep and Mrs Hale's voice for Paragon Shep when I honestly thought the exact opposite.



Hearing Fem Shep say someone needed her boot up their **** sold me on playing the Fem Shep Renegade.



I thought Meers' voice to be a calming voice that worked really well with the Paragon Lines.



IMHO.

[Marlina]

 Just to ****** Mordigan off, I also thought Meer sounded like a douche most of the time. 

[AoiDreamer]

Marlina wrote...

 Just to ****** Mordigan off, I also thought Meer sounded like a douche most of the time. 

LOL! Oh how it is so fun

[Naltair]

Good to hear she got some voice time, I too find it odd people feel the need to praise one actor and bash the other often passive aggressively. As an aside I think the big reason for the male Shepherd push is that they paid for someone's likeness. You want to make the most of that investment.



At least I would.

[Marlina]

 Perhaps that was mean. 

Anyway, I agree with the above poster. Hale's renegade lines were ace, she sounded assertive, yet not like a ****. I felt that DudeShep's renegade lines felt more like he was just being a jerk.  Maybe things have changed for the better in ME2? I hope so. :happy:

NOTE (BEFORE MORDIGAN BLOWS A GASKET): THIS IN MY OPINION ONLY, IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT I THINK EVERYONE THAT LISTENS TO MEER ARE QUEER. (ALSO, THAT RHYMED!)
Notenote: I don't have anything against queer people. It was meant as a funny. You know, the ones that comedians do for a living.

[SirGladiator]

I played FemShep almost exclusively due to her voice being so vastly superior. I wish I had played as MaleShep first so I wouldnt have known what I was missing . I agree its quite dumb that they always only advertise the inferior Shep, particularly since there are plenty of people who would, in theory, like to play as a female character but might not even realize you even CAN due to the totally one sided advertising. That is, after all, a major selling point of the game, but not if you arent actually letting anybody know it . Bioware does a lot more right than most companies, but even they get their heads suck in the past sometimes, and this is one of those times.

[DaftPaycheck]

<3 Jennifer Hale, been a fan ever since Bastilla Shan. Cliche I know.

[Naltair]

Why is male Shepherd inferior?

I am confused, I don't go, "hey guys girl Shepherd is inferior cause I play boy Shepherd".

I think I would take this female/Hale camp more seriously if they actually discussed their reasoning for liking one more than the other like adults and not petulant children.

No offense. If you like something you like it, but why slide in a snide remark that has really no bearing on why you like a specific aspect of the game. It's like by extension you are saying people that like a custom male Shepherd are dumb and stupid people who have not awakened to the majesty of the superior female character.

Or something.

Modifié par Naltair, 20 janvier 2010 - 07:42 .

[Eternal Dust]

Or something.



Maybe you're just reading too much into what was said. Praising Hale's voice does not by extension demean those who prefer Meer. Just sayin'.

[Marlina]

Well, clearly, Naltair, you are one of the lowly peasants that like custom male Shepard, and as such, you *must* be both dumb and stupid! Furthermore, you have surely not yet awakened to the glorious majesty of the vastly superior Hale voice work. We can only hope that in time, you will realize your folly and join us Hale cultists in our worship of the only true Shepard! That is, FemShep!

Seriously though, it's just poor wording. "Superior" in this case just means "I liked it better". Don't get your knickers in a twist over it!