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[The Angry One]

SurfaceBeneath wrote..

For my part, I almost exclusively play Femshep. However, I still think it's the right marketing choice for Bioware to focus on their default Male Shep in advertisements and promotion materials. Really making an icon that sticks in the minds of viewers is easily the most important part of selling titles and my ego won't be hurt just because the way I portray my Shepard is not featured.

I disagree that Mass Effect needs an "icon", Dragon Age sure didn't.
And even if it did, why pick THAT face? It's terrible. That's not the face of a tough space marine. It's the face of some waiter in a poncy wine bar who's trying to look manly and attractive and failing miserably.

Edit: Oh and Hale > Meer. Sorry Meer fans, but Hale sounds like she's actually *there*. Meer sounds like a guy reading the script in front of him.

Modifié par The Angry One, 20 janvier 2010 - 12:30 .

[finc.loki]

Naltair wrote...

Why is male Shepherd inferior?

I am confused, I don't go, "hey guys girl Shepherd is inferior cause I play boy Shepherd".

I think I would take this female/Hale camp more seriously if they actually discussed their reasoning for liking one more than the other like adults and not petulant children.

No offense. If you like something you like it, but why slide in a snide remark that has really no bearing on why you like a specific aspect of the game. It's like by extension you are saying people that like a custom male Shepherd are dumb and stupid people who have not awakened to the majesty of the superior female character.

Or something.

Thank you!

Someone has a head on their shoulder.

I like Meer's voice and I bet Hale's is great too.
The difference is quite simple, one a is a woman the other male. As a male myself perhaps I prefer his tone of voice and handling of the situation.
I think I can Identify as a male more to a male voice than a female's.

Hale's voice could be really great and nice to listen too, that however doesn't mean it portray the paragon or renegade better, same goes for Meer's.

It is all in the "ear" of the beholder (OK that sentence didn't make sense:lol:).

I don't get why there is this automatic comparison and hate on Meer like some kind of vendetta cause ManShep take the front stage in marketing.

I agree that femshep should have some video's as example and get noticed too.
However I find it easy to understand why the MaleShep takes front stage in marketing.

Several logical reasons:

He's been the face of ME for 1 game already.

Out of let's say 1 million ME players 950.000 is more than likely male, logical that they would try and reach the biggest market.
Out of the 950.000 male players a small amout play as a female for various reasons.

That is just how it is.
But as I said, I think they could have included Hale in the Sci-fi doc/dev diary and showed femshep a little.
I think we saw femshep vids for ME1.

All in all just because you prefer one VO doesn't mean you have to slag on the other.

[The Angry One]

If Meer were the only Shepard voice, he'd still be dull. Because he's just dull. It's got nothing to do with Hale, other than it shows that a female can work her ass off and not even get half the recognition of a male who's phoning it in.

[FlintlockJazz]

Actually, didn't DA:O effectively have a 'male lead' too? They had that guy with the tattoo on his face for most of the gameplay and cinematic vids? Just sayin'.

[Merchant2006]

I have to agree. At first I heard that people preferred FemSheps voice and I kinda went "well come on, Meers VA isn't that bad."



It wasn't until I actually played as FemShep and just went "HOLY **** JENNIFER HALE" and instantly understood what people were saying. I mean... come on... Bastila Shan... Emma Emmerich... Naomi Hunter?! Just a few examples of how she's awesome at VA. Yayyyyyy!!! *arms flail*

[OrbitalWings]

I understand the need for a "marketing face", but it still annoys the hell out of me.

I'm seriously starting to hate Sheploo - simply because I'm sick of seeing his face everywhere. When ME1 was being advertised, there were still some screenshots of FemShep released. In fact, there's a few in the Official Art Book - hell, there's even one on the back of the game box itself.

With ME1 they seemed more relaxed - when showing the game to the masses, it was Sheploo all the way, but when talking to Bioware fans - they seemed far more open about it. This time, any mention of FemShep gets moderators descending on the thread, banging on about consistent marketing and so forth.

It's like FemShep is a dirty secret...

Modifié par Metal-Dragon-Kiryu, 20 janvier 2010 - 12:42 .

[The Angry One]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

Actually, didn't DA:O effectively have a 'male lead' too? They had that guy with the tattoo on his face for most of the gameplay and cinematic vids? Just sayin'.

The cinematic was a one-off made by an external company, the gameplay vids, yes, mostly. But there were some female vids too I think.
In any case there was no official mascot.

[Dave of Canada]

Hathur wrote...

She's a great voice actress. Her ability to deliver tone and inflection for female sheperd was vastly superior to Mark Meer.

Listen to any emotional or dramatic line delivered in ME1 and Hale's delivery carries actual emotion compared to Meer's.

Not to say Meer is bad... but Hale's talent is so much better.

She does a good paragon, Meer does a good renegade. /shrug

[RyuKazuha]

Sweet.

[The Angry One]

Ha!



Hale Paragon: Caring.

Hale Renegade: Ruthless.



Meer Paragon:

Meer Renegade:

[Azazel005]

The Angry One wrote...

Oh please Meer is flatter than Australian beer.
I'll always hate how the mascot for Mass Effect is Meer's voice and that effete Dutch pansy male model face. It's sexism, that's what it is.

Meer maybe faltter then an australian beer, but as an Australian who has consumed a god awful amount of Australian beer, it's not flat. Unless it's left out too long and you don't drink that, you crack another one, and wear you due amount of ridicule for taking so damn long to drink your beer that it went flat.

[Jebel Krong]

The Angry One wrote...

Oh please Meer is flatter than Australian beer.
I'll always hate how the mascot for Mass Effect is Meer's voice and that effete Dutch pansy male model face. It's sexism, that's what it is.

yes of course it is...

The Angry One wrote...

ReubenLiew wrote...

The fact that he's male or because he's effete?

That he's male. I suppose we're supposed to feel real lucky that we have a female option at all.
That the default face is an effete male model just annoys me.

oh. you're one of those people... no wonder you like Hale's voice more.

[finc.loki]

The Angry One wrote...

SurfaceBeneath wrote..

For my part, I almost exclusively play Femshep. However, I still think it's the right marketing choice for Bioware to focus on their default Male Shep in advertisements and promotion materials. Really making an icon that sticks in the minds of viewers is easily the most important part of selling titles and my ego won't be hurt just because the way I portray my Shepard is not featured.

I disagree that Mass Effect needs an "icon", Dragon Age sure didn't.
And even if it did, why pick THAT face? It's terrible. That's not the face of a tough space marine. It's the face of some waiter in a poncy wine bar who's trying to look manly and attractive and failing miserably.

Edit: Oh and Hale > Meer. Sorry Meer fans, but Hale sounds like she's actually *there*. Meer sounds like a guy reading the script in front of him.

Dragon Age lead (your character) was a voiceless, faceless character.
Very different approch from ME.
You can't compare those games in marketing strategy.

Ah, you want the stero typical tough guy with a scar on his face and gravely voice.
Last I checked this isn't Duke Nukem with a flat top hair cut and kick **** and chew bubble gum game.
That is also what the character generator is for.
When they market the game they don't want to go too far one way or the other, but prefer a rather neutral face.



Seems like your wants/needs conflict, you want a stero typical bad ass look, but it's voiced by Rupert Everret or something?
Shall he have a British accent as well and recite poetry?


I thought Meer's voice worked fine when talking softer to Liara, I don't want him pathetically soft or voice go up and down to try and ACT emotional  instead of just being a voice.


Another thing I don't get with all these retarded comparions with Meer and Hale.
They are TWO DIFFERENT GENDERS, it's not like they are voicing the same gender and compete.

If you want to play femshep then PLAY it and enjoy the fantastic FEMALE voice.
When I play MALE shep, I would really prefer a MALE voice over a female.



Male and Female don't sound and react the same exact way, I hardly think they can be compared.
I can see a more "soft and compassionate" paragon voice from a female, sounding perhaps more motherly and caring.
If I would hear the same from a man I might cringe and think he should wear pink slippers and a pacifier.


I have to say the woman playing SuZe sound great, and could probably do a pretty decent renegade femshep.

Modifié par finc.loki, 20 janvier 2010 - 01:00 .

[finc.loki]

I just went on You tube to listen on some FemShep voice.

I honestly have to say that SHE sounded extremely flat in her voice.

Like reading from a script, no emotion so far in the dialogue I heard.
I will listen some more.

Edit:

Just watched her talking to Harkin at Cora's Den and she reponded with "renegade" and there was no raised voice, no tonality difference, no anger or threatning in her voice at all.

" say that again and you will be picking your teeth up off the floor", completely emotionless voice portrayal:

Here, watch it from 3:50 and you'll see :



Hell, the guy doing the Harkin VO, is a ton better, he really comes off as the creep you'd expect.
Her's is the epitome of monotone.

I can't believe I am picking on her voice now, that is just bad.

Modifié par finc.loki, 20 janvier 2010 - 01:24 .

[Lucy Glitter]

I think Meer is a pretty good VA. I like his voice, as well. He has a nice voice.



It's completely unfair to not show femshep at all, though.

[Pannamaslo]

The Angry One wrote...

Ha!

Hale Paragon: Caring.
Hale Renegade: Ruthless.

Meer Paragon:
Meer Renegade:

THIS! So true...

[Nimander]

I played both, and honestly ... I liked Meer more. Though I wouldn't say Hale was flat. She just reminded me of Janeway from Star Trek, and it made me cringe. I liked her a lot more as Bastila.



Glad to see Hale get some interviews and stuff though. Hope they show her off more.

[The Angry One]

finc.loki wrote...

Dragon Age lead (your character) was a voiceless, faceless character.
Very different approch from ME.
You can't compare those games in marketing strategy.

In either case they're still the main character.

Ah, you want the stero typical tough guy with a scar on his face and gravely voice.

No you see the thing about default Shep is that he's trying to be a stereotypical tough guy but complete trips over himself due to having a prancing male model's face and a dull dullard's voice.

Last I checked this isn't Duke Nukem with a flat top hair cut and kick **** and chew bubble gum game.
That is also what the character generator is for.
When they market the game they don't want to go too far one way or the other, but prefer a rather neutral face.

I prefer a face with personality, or hey how about equal coverage for both genders? 

Seems like your wants/needs conflict, you want a stero typical bad ass look, but it's voiced by Rupert Everret or something?
Shall he have a British accent as well and recite poetry?

What I want is for one character type to not arbitrarily smother all the others in marketing.

Another thing I don't get with all these retarded comparions with Meer and Hale.
They are TWO DIFFERENT GENDERS, it's not like they are voicing the same gender and compete.

As I said, one tries her best to act the part, the other just reads off the lines and collects his paycheck.

[Merchant2006]

I can't help but think of Naomi Hunter whenever I hear FemShep, it's... interesting ^^

[Killer3000ad]

A collection of Renegade FemShep dialog, just to showcase Jens voice acting ability.

Modifié par Killer3000ad, 20 janvier 2010 - 01:30 .

[Fraevar]

finc.loki wrote...



Just watched her talking to Harkin at Cora's Den and she reponded with "renegade" and there was no raised voice, no tonality difference, no anger or threatning in her voice at all.

" say that again and you will be picking your teeth up off the floor", completely emotionless voice portrayal:

Here, watch it from 3:50 and you'll see :

So, you totally missed how she gets an angry expression on her face and spits the words out with venom? It's not emotionless, it's just not the expression you were expecting. It's more subtle, more believable and less of a blunt instrument. And why not? You expect her to suddenly start shouting about how much of an idiot Harkin is, drawing attention to herself when she's trying to investigate someone's crimes? It pays to be subtle in those situations.

I'd recommed trying to find a bit from the start of the game where she goes: "Would you rather be a snitch, or a corpse?" on Eden Prime. You'll see I found the female take on it to be more  threatening than the male one. Gun to the face, excluded, of course.

[finc.loki]

The Angry One wrote...

finc.loki wrote...

Dragon Age lead (your character) was a voiceless, faceless character.
Very different approch from ME.
You can't compare those games in marketing strategy.

In either case they're still the main character.

Ah, you want the stero typical tough guy with a scar on his face and gravely voice.

No you see the thing about default Shep is that he's trying to be a stereotypical tough guy but complete trips over himself due to having a prancing male model's face and a dull dullard's voice.

Last I checked this isn't Duke Nukem with a flat top hair cut and kick **** and chew bubble gum game.
That is also what the character generator is for.
When they market the game they don't want to go too far one way or the other, but prefer a rather neutral face.

I prefer a face with personality, or hey how about equal coverage for both genders? 

Seems like your wants/needs conflict, you want a stero typical bad ass look, but it's voiced by Rupert Everret or something?
Shall he have a British accent as well and recite poetry?

What I want is for one character type to not arbitrarily smother all the others in marketing.

Another thing I don't get with all these retarded comparions with Meer and Hale.
They are TWO DIFFERENT GENDERS, it's not like they are voicing the same gender and compete.

As I said, one tries her best to act the part, the other just reads off the lines and collects his paycheck.

In my opinion Meer is a TON better  than Hale.
She sound completely monotonous.

They choose one character as the "face" of the game in marketing cause it doesn't make sense to portray both, it would confuse in a marketing sense.
We fans here are just but a drop in the ocean, we already know everything about ME, we even know who voice them.

As I said earlier, no matter how sad of a fact, women gamers make up for probably less than 10% of the sales.
They simply market towards the side with most sales.

Toomb raider had a female lead, but she was the only one as well, had there been a choice between male and female , we would have seen larry croft.
I don't make it so, but until the future when women in general start gaming, at least these type of games things won change much.

Dragon Age did not have a "face" of the PC, except the Ashes trailer, and even in that one Morrigan and Leliana took front stage or at least equal love.

The PC is a voiceless character in DAO.

[bjdbwea]

Hathur wrote...

Just finished listening. I feel for Hale, female Shepard needs more recognition.

Bioware did a great job making a female lead character who isn't some sexualized bimbo. Frankly, female Shepard is the epitome of a strong, female story character who still remains feminine yet isn't cheapened because of her gender. She's every bit as belieavable as a leader as male Shepard is.

So many games today use pathethic over-sexualization of female characters.. mass effect never treats female Shepard this way and it's refreshing.

As a guy, I always had great admiration for female Shep. Moreso than male Shep even.

That's exactly my opinion as well. I hope BioWare listens.

[FlintlockJazz]

The Angry One wrote...

FlintlockJazz wrote...

Actually, didn't DA:O effectively have a 'male lead' too? They had that guy with the tattoo on his face for most of the gameplay and cinematic vids? Just sayin'.

The cinematic was a one-off made by an external company, the gameplay vids, yes, mostly. But there were some female vids too I think.
In any case there was no official mascot.

Think there was two cinematic trailers (there was Sacred Ashes and the one in the Deep Roads I believe), but yeah there wasn't an official mascot, but then due to the variations in race let along gender that's a bit harder.  He did get quite popular though, for some reason.

[The Angry One]

finc.loki wrote...

In my opinion Meer is a TON better  than Hale.
She sound completely monotonous.

Spoken like someone who's never heard her, and considering your following statements I'm probably correct.

They choose one character as the "face" of the game in marketing cause it doesn't make sense to portray both, it would confuse in a marketing sense.
We fans here are just but a drop in the ocean, we already know everything about ME, we even know who voice them.

Confusing in a game where you create your own character? Why? Gamers aren't as thick as you evidentally think.

As I said earlier, no matter how sad of a fact, women gamers make up for probably less than 10% of the sales.
They simply market towards the side with most sales.

And 95% of male gamers will buy a game if you promise sex and violence regardless of the main character's look.
See I can make up statistics on the spot too.

Toomb raider had a female lead, but she was the only one as well, had there been a choice between male and female , we would have seen larry croft.
I don't make it so, but until the future when women in general start gaming, at least these type of games things won change much.

Lara Croft is a pair of boobs in a shirt designed to attract adolescent boys to a shallow, broken game.