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[ERJAK1]

finc.loki wrote...

Naltair wrote...

Why is male Shepherd inferior?

I am confused, I don't go, "hey guys girl Shepherd is inferior cause I play boy Shepherd".

I think I would take this female/Hale camp more seriously if they actually discussed their reasoning for liking one more than the other like adults and not petulant children.

No offense. If you like something you like it, but why slide in a snide remark that has really no bearing on why you like a specific aspect of the game. It's like by extension you are saying people that like a custom male Shepherd are dumb and stupid people who have not awakened to the majesty of the superior female character.

Or something.

Thank you!

Someone has a head on their shoulder.

I like Meer's voice and I bet Hale's is great too.
The difference is quite simple, one a is a woman the other male. As a male myself perhaps I prefer his tone of voice and handling of the situation.
I think I can Identify as a male more to a male voice than a female's.

Hale's voice could be really great and nice to listen too, that however doesn't mean it portray the paragon or renegade better, same goes for Meer's.

It is all in the "ear" of the beholder (OK that sentence didn't make sense:lol:).

I don't get why there is this automatic comparison and hate on Meer like some kind of vendetta cause ManShep take the front stage in marketing.

I agree that femshep should have some video's as example and get noticed too.
However I find it easy to understand why the MaleShep takes front stage in marketing.

Several logical reasons:

He's been the face of ME for 1 game already.

Out of let's say 1 million ME players 950.000 is more than likely male, logical that they would try and reach the biggest market.
Out of the 950.000 male players a small amout play as a female for various reasons.

That is just how it is.
But as I said, I think they could have included Hale in the Sci-fi doc/dev diary and showed femshep a little.
I think we saw femshep vids for ME1.

All in all just because you prefer one VO doesn't mean you have to slag on the other.

Disagree, Jennifer Hale's voice acting is so superior to mark meer's that many males play Femshep just for the better dialogue. Then you have the Female gamers who play her, then the male gamers who play female characters, the people who play both, I'd say it's pretty much even in terms of Mshep to Fshep.

[FlintlockJazz]

You know, I want to see a character that has man-boobs, doesn't know how to fire a gun, needs a walking stick, is more interested in buying candy and runs away screaming from every fight!



Actually, that would be an interesting game...

[ERJAK1]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Hathur wrote...

She's a great voice actress. Her ability to deliver tone and inflection for female sheperd was vastly superior to Mark Meer.

Listen to any emotional or dramatic line delivered in ME1 and Hale's delivery carries actual emotion compared to Meer's.

Not to say Meer is bad... but Hale's talent is so much better.

She does a good paragon, Meer does a good renegade. /shrug

Have you even played a femshep renegade? Jennifer Hale has one of the best "I'm gonna kill you and then dance in your entrails" voices of all time. When she told that guy in the interview that revealing her new projects means she would have to kill him, I thought he was actually gonna die for just a split second. I know that tone, and that tone means death. 

[Console Cowboy]

i am relieved. i feared that Hale hadn't signed on for the sequel. i don't think i could continue playing the character with a different VA at this point.

[The Angry One]

Probably the nearest you'd get to that is Silent Hill 1 & 2. Of course they're still handsome manly men since 90% of all videogame characters must be by Babylonian law set in stone since time immemorial, but they're still pleasingly incompetent jerks who don't know the barrel of a gun from the handgrip.

[Naltair]

See I am not here to bash people if your first instinct is to praise one and bash the other... it boggles my mind it's not like Meer and Hale get into the studio and fight with knives and spit at each other. Meer has great respect for Hale and knows he is working in her shadow and if she is any kind of professional then she has great respect for him.

But the fans, wow you guys are vicious petty people who I suppose for want of recognition need to tear down two different people in some cases to make yourselves feel better? First the face of Shepherd that is everyehere is a fine face, it looks rugged and gets the job done. The voice is fine, if you think it sucks then you think it sucks and choose what you want but just know that others that think opposite of you and gasp they are not wrong for doing so.

I don't think I ever sat down and said, "Holy crap female Shepherd is so bad I am going to write her VA a letter and tell her she sucks." In fact I thought it was adequate but it wasn't the voice of my Shepherd, my custom male Shepherd that looks nothing like the "face" of the game.

I will say again I think both did a fine job but I know which I prefer and that one is the male Shepherd. Hurray she did Bastila Shan and I a happy for her and all but I guess I don;t get too excited about that, I am actually more excited about Adam Baldwin or Tricia Helfer than her, but I am glad she is back and doing a solid job just like Meer. I am not here to bash, I don't really care actually just promoting that we all play this game differently.

As for the marketing of it, they chose this path and it's their game to market. But I will say there is something about being consistent in your message. I think there should be official pics of the "face", custom female Shepherds, and custom male Shepherds.

But I understand why it may not be done.

Like I said before the Hale camp would be more believable and I could empathize with them more if they were not so vitriolic. I don't think that does Hale any justice.

Modifié par Naltair, 20 janvier 2010 - 02:07 .

[FlintlockJazz]

The Angry One wrote...

Probably the nearest you'd get to that is Silent Hill 1 & 2. Of course they're still handsome manly men since 90% of all videogame characters must be by Babylonian law set in stone since time immemorial, but they're still pleasingly incompetent jerks who don't know the barrel of a gun from the handgrip.

Yeah, and the newest one also has the main character completely unarmed which means that you have no choice but to run from all fights in the game, which actually sounds interesting.  I remember having a conversation with a friend about how there is never a pot-bellied 49 year old with graying hair and a face that could give a squirrel a heartattack as the main character, which is a shame as it would be interesting, give him a shotgun and he could rather badass!

Modifié par FlintlockJazz, 20 janvier 2010 - 02:28 .

[TheAnima]

I like Hale, I don't think she has any animosity toward Meer, and in fact, while a little stiff, I like Meer's voice acting, I think it does a great job showing a male version of the character. But it's sad to see Hale's great work get shoved aside in the name of advertising.

[Nimander]

Naltair, it's pretty common in fan circles. Fans are not content to enjoy a character or actor or what have you. They absolutely have to tear down an alternative or what they view as competition. They have to show they're RIGHT and people who disagree are WRONG, damnit.



It's one of the nasty things about 'fandoms'. Just ignore it.

[Naltair]

Nimander wrote...

Naltair, it's pretty common in fan circles. Fans are not content to enjoy a character or actor or what have you. They absolutely have to tear down an alternative or what they view as competition. They have to show they're RIGHT and people who disagree are WRONG, damnit.

It's one of the nasty things about 'fandoms'. Just ignore it.

I understand.

It still amuses me academically.

Modifié par Naltair, 20 janvier 2010 - 02:42 .

[The Angry One]

Oh please do you think Meer is going to lock himself in his bathroom and cry because I'm calling him the dullest voice actor since Thomas Edison carved grooves into black cylinders to record sound?

I've got every right to criticise, and I will. Especially when he gets the spotlight in all the previews while Hale is like the dirty secret BioWare wants to forget.

[Naltair]

The Angry One wrote...

Oh please do you think Meer is going to lock himself in his bathroom and cry because I'm calling him the dullest voice actor since Thomas Edison carved grooves into black cylinders to record sound?
I've got every right to criticise, and I will. Especially when he gets the spotlight in all the previews while Hale is like the dirty secret BioWare wants to forget.

You do as you like and I am sure you will, but it just speaks volumes for your stance that you must feel the need to slam the "opposition" for no other reason than because you have decided they are the opposition.  

Modifié par Naltair, 20 janvier 2010 - 02:49 .

[The Angry One]

Nope, I genuinely think Meer is dull as dishwater. That and the default face makes me want to kill puppies.

I wouldn't be nearly as vocal about it if femShep and Hale got equal representation, true. But then that's the point isn't it?

[Naltair]

The Angry One wrote...

Nope, I genuinely think Meer is dull as dishwater. That and the default face makes me want to kill puppies.
I wouldn't be nearly as vocal about it if femShep and Hale got equal representation, true. But then that's the point isn't it?

Well I respect your opinion.

I am just amused but I understand that feeling alienated or perhaps ignored will breed bad behavior.

[Naltair]

Elphabas_hat wrote...

Glad to hear Hale interviewed. It seems nearly impossible to get any kind of footage of FemShep these days. It's as if she doesn't even exist!

It's a conspiracy when you log-in your female Shepherd dies and that's it.

Then Mark Meer starts laughing maniacally.

[Jebel Krong]

The Angry One wrote...

Nope, I genuinely think Meer is dull as dishwater. That and the default face makes me want to kill puppies.
I wouldn't be nearly as vocal about it if femShep and Hale got equal representation, true. But then that's the point isn't it?

they're not equal because the default shepard is male with the realistic face - Bioware's ideal shep for promotion, "equality" doesn't come into it.

[Wakara Pezi]

Jospex wrote...

I know this thread wasn't specifically about comparing Hale with Meer (or FemShep voice acting vs. MaleShep voice acting), but it looks like it's turned into that so I guess I'll chip in with my own opinion.

I'm a guy, but I play Mass Effect as FemShep all the time -- I simply cannot stand Mark Meer's voice. These are the words I'll use to describe the male Shepherd's voice acting: flat, monotone, uninspired, unemotional, boring, grating, empty. Maybe he was directed to act this way (although I doubt it listening to Jennifer Hale), but Mark Meer sounds like he's basically reading lines off the script in the most boring flat way possible! I'm not just talking about the military/fighting scenes where you probably do want to say things in a direct assertive way -- but even the emotional, one-on-one conversations.

Compare this with Jennifer Hale's acting and it's like NIGHT and DAY. Female Shepherd expresses emotion in every line she says, whether it's during a fight, during an intimate moment, or in conversation with aliens. You know how your Shepherd feels from the way she speaks, which is so important in voice-driven RPG's like Mass Effect. There's depth and emotion in her acting -- she brings inspiration when needed during her speeches, anger & contempt in the Renegade dialogues, and compassion in the Paragon ones.

Like so many others here (possibly a majority?), I really can't speak highly enough of Jennifer Hale's work on Mass Effect. She is the #1 reason I only play FemShep in Mass Effect -- yes it has that big an effect on my game experience.

And us FemShep fans speak out loudly like this because partly we want Bioware to hear us. Think of this as constructive feedback.

I totally agree with this.

[Taritu]

Wakara Pezi wrote...

Jospex wrote...

I know this thread wasn't specifically about comparing Hale with Meer (or FemShep voice acting vs. MaleShep voice acting), but it looks like it's turned into that so I guess I'll chip in with my own opinion.

I'm a guy, but I play Mass Effect as FemShep all the time -- I simply cannot stand Mark Meer's voice. These are the words I'll use to describe the male Shepherd's voice acting: flat, monotone, uninspired, unemotional, boring, grating, empty. Maybe he was directed to act this way (although I doubt it listening to Jennifer Hale), but Mark Meer sounds like he's basically reading lines off the script in the most boring flat way possible! I'm not just talking about the military/fighting scenes where you probably do want to say things in a direct assertive way -- but even the emotional, one-on-one conversations.

Compare this with Jennifer Hale's acting and it's like NIGHT and DAY. Female Shepherd expresses emotion in every line she says, whether it's during a fight, during an intimate moment, or in conversation with aliens. You know how your Shepherd feels from the way she speaks, which is so important in voice-driven RPG's like Mass Effect. There's depth and emotion in her acting -- she brings inspiration when needed during her speeches, anger & contempt in the Renegade dialogues, and compassion in the Paragon ones.

Like so many others here (possibly a majority?), I really can't speak highly enough of Jennifer Hale's work on Mass Effect. She is the #1 reason I only play FemShep in Mass Effect -- yes it has that big an effect on my game experience.

And us FemShep fans speak out loudly like this because partly we want Bioware to hear us. Think of this as constructive feedback.

I totally agree with this.

Yes, I don't mind Meer, but I like Hale's voice acting so much more that I find it hard to finish a male shep playthrough.  To me, her voice makes Shep Shep.

[Deviija]

Wakara Pezi wrote...

Jospex wrote...

I know this thread wasn't specifically about comparing Hale with Meer (or FemShep voice acting vs. MaleShep voice acting), but it looks like it's turned into that so I guess I'll chip in with my own opinion.

I'm a guy, but I play Mass Effect as FemShep all the time -- I simply cannot stand Mark Meer's voice. These are the words I'll use to describe the male Shepherd's voice acting: flat, monotone, uninspired, unemotional, boring, grating, empty. Maybe he was directed to act this way (although I doubt it listening to Jennifer Hale), but Mark Meer sounds like he's basically reading lines off the script in the most boring flat way possible! I'm not just talking about the military/fighting scenes where you probably do want to say things in a direct assertive way -- but even the emotional, one-on-one conversations.

Compare this with Jennifer Hale's acting and it's like NIGHT and DAY. Female Shepherd expresses emotion in every line she says, whether it's during a fight, during an intimate moment, or in conversation with aliens. You know how your Shepherd feels from the way she speaks, which is so important in voice-driven RPG's like Mass Effect. There's depth and emotion in her acting -- she brings inspiration when needed during her speeches, anger & contempt in the Renegade dialogues, and compassion in the Paragon ones.

Like so many others here (possibly a majority?), I really can't speak highly enough of Jennifer Hale's work on Mass Effect. She is the #1 reason I only play FemShep in Mass Effect -- yes it has that big an effect on my game experience.

And us FemShep fans speak out loudly like this because partly we want Bioware to hear us. Think of this as constructive feedback.

I totally agree with this.

Indeed.  That was an apt description I can agree with. 

[Naltair]

Taritu wrote...

Yes, I don't mind Meer, but I like Hale's voice acting so much more that I find it hard to finish a male shep playthrough.  To me, her voice makes Shep Shep.

That is how I feel but about Meer.

[12daws]

No one beats david Haters voice


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[MisterMonkeyBanana]

The Angry One wrote...


I disagree that Mass Effect needs an "icon", Dragon Age sure didn't.
And even if it did, why pick THAT face? It's terrible. That's not the face of a tough space marine. It's the face of some waiter in a poncy wine bar who's trying to look manly and attractive and failing miserably.

I think Mass Effect did need an icon, its a story about Shepherd, a character who you make and customise but is for the most, set in stone. Dragon Age Origins wasn't about a set in stone character, since you had... six different characters really. Your perspective of the world was dictated by your origin, in Mass Effect.. its Shepherd's perspective. So they made a standard Shepherd because of this.

That said I like both Shepherd's, Meer did strike me as a bit flat but then my male Shep to me was always going to be the stoic type. Femshep had a bit more emotion and if I had to pick, is the voice I prefer, but some of the ways she said her lines really made me want to break something. (The "Its not over yet, you can still redeem yourself!" line to Saren in particular...) But yeah, I like both actors and you can't stop me!

[TheTWF]

Funny how whenever Meer AND Hale start talking about Shep and things relating to him/her they switch over to their Shepard voices.

[Reclusiarch]

I love both Meer and Hale. Good interview! Two thumbs up!