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[petetehcanuck]

loved her ever since Electra from Cowboy BeeBop Jennifer Hale

[12daws]

diskoh wrote...

I feel sorry for the people who play a male Shep and don't get the true full Mass Effect experience because of the poor acting.

You can tell it's still bad for part 2 in the videos released so far. Look at the line "They started this war, but we're not going to finish it... we're going to make them regret it." It's supposed to be a big dramatic speech, but Meer delivers it like he's reading his lines for a 6th grade play.

Hale brings competence and realism to the role, and it actually sounds natural and not like someone is rehearing off of index cards.

Meer supporters try to pass this off as personal preference and 'opinion,' but it's really not. Anyone with any ear for what is natural will tell you the same thing.

I have nothing wrong with that post but sometimes seriously hale could over do it and have no emotion like meer christ you make mass effect sound like a soap oprea. PREPARE TO BE SET ON FIRE BY HALE FANS

Modifié par 12daws, 20 janvier 2010 - 06:03 .

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Everyone has their opinion, my own is that both Meer and Hale do great jobs with their interpretations of Shepherd.

[kazic284]

I think that in some places Meer's style is appropriate, but Jennifer Hale just has a better range. That being said, since some people seem to prefer the male, and some the female, I mentioned, way back when ME 1 was coming out and we finally got vids of fem shep, that I wished there was a bit of racial diversity in the voices.

I love hale, but it is slightly jarring for me to hear her voice coming out of the mouth of a black or asian character. Not saying that some of racial tones aren't dependent upon social interactions, but that's not all it is.

Anyway, that reel of renegade femshep lines made me appreciate the subtitles of her performance. I think some see meer as a better renegade because his delivery is more obvious. Hale's not obvious, but she's definitely just as good a renegade. Plus that part on Noveria where wrex goes, "no she's really going to let me eat you," is hilarious. I have never seen that and have been laughing for like 5 minutes.

I also understand marketing. I'm a business major. But as a few people pointed out, a fem shpe brand could have been a way to stand out from the crowd. Plus, you can market, and throw up a few femshep vids on these boards. Most of the mainstream people bio's trying to draw in wouldn't see the vids if they were on here, so there'd be no confusion. And anyone who is on here long enough to find such vids would already know enough about the game to not be confused by seeing another Shepard.

Hopefully, we'll get at least one vid before next week of femshep.Does anyone who's been around long enough remember when they showed fem shep last time? i remember because of our screaming we got like one vid close to launch, but I can't remember how close it was. Seems like a lot of the more prominent voices of that day have moved on

Modifié par kazic284, 20 janvier 2010 - 06:28 .

[RogueWriter3201]

I am not in any shape, way, or form, an Actor myself. Worked in the Stage Crew in High School back in the day and that is about as close as I came to that lifestyle. However, I do consider myself deeply experienced with broad Epic stories and characters that resonate and effect one on an emotional level, given just how many Massive novels and games I have experienced over my life-time. It would seem most of the arguments between those who support Mr. Meer and those who support Ms. Hale stem from the aforementined 'resonation' aspect.

In point of fact, given her long and extensive Voice Acting catalog, there is little to no surprise that Ms. Hale gives a much more emotionaly impactful performance as Jane (<cannon name) Shepard; where as Mr. Meer's John Shepard often comes across as flat in Comparison. As I see it, if you go out of your way to compare the two, of couse you will likely come to said conclusion, as one VA is natually more talented than the other. However, I think alot of fans miss one important observation.

Though it does make the story more in depth to Care for how Shepard speaks to his /her crew as well as his/her enemies, really I feel the Story is more about the men and women (Human, Aliens) that Shepard comes across and the incredible Universe he or she inhabits. When it comes down to it, *we* are supposed to be Shepard, living vicariously through this person; Shepard is not supposed to be Mr. Meer or Ms. Hale. Yes, they provide the shell of the person, in a way, but we are the Soul of the character. We decide how they act, we decide what pivitol choices they make. When I play the game, despite the fact that on a subtle level I can appreciated the performances of either actor (yes, more so one than the other) I find myself paying more attention to the dialogue options and the respective responses of those who have joined my Band of Brothers (and Sisters).

It's so easy to bring things down to a, "She is better than him," level in regards to the VA performance in this Epic Story, but I think that is doing the Story itself and it's writers a disservice. So, in the end, it really does not matter who is the better Actor or what gender you prefer to play; what's important is that you love the setting, characters, action set pieces, etc. Pay too much attention to one thing, and it's likely you will miss out on the others.


NOTE: Yes, my post was a...bit...off topic. It's simply that I do not want to see this thread de-evolve into a Shouting match between the 'For Hale' people and the 'For Meer' people. If you loved FemShep and Ms. Hale, wonderful. If you prefer MaleShep and Mr. Meer, also wonderful. Just keep in mind people have different prefrences and try to leave it at that.      

[Skalman91]

Thank you SO MUCH for this, I love Jennifer Hale and it's almost impossible to find a review with her.

Again, thank you, this made a little less upset about the Collectors Edition delay I got today .

[Willowhugger]

Eh, everyone hates to admit that voice range and acting is subjective.

[raphaelt]

Hurrah, thanks very much for the link!



One of the great pleasures of playing female Shepard is Jennifer Hale's superb voice acting. This interview really asked some great questions and, unsurprisingly, Jennifer offers some great responses.



Although I can see BioWare's reasoning for using only the stock Male Shepard role in all media for the series, ultimately I simply cannot agree with it. It's a disservice to Hale, certainly, but it's also a disservice to the game. It's a much more diverse and interesting game than the stereotypical buzzcut warrior male Shepard depicted in the media might lead people to believe.

[12daws]

All I see is two voice actors given different but good peformances in their own right. They are different deal with it Meer is better aggressive and hale is very good at a emotional style of play and catching emotions just play the 1st and 4th metal gear games now thats hale at her best god her british accent was almost as hot as natasha accent in the game private thought lol



I like meer voice because thats how the male heroes are always are presented as being strong minded and never show emotion and hale plays the carring female who is not affraid to show emotion and be strong at the same time.

[Fiannawolf]

*Sqeee!*



That is all.

[diskoh]

Finally got a chance to listen to the interview. Just the way she discusses her craft should tell you how much more serious of an actor she is than the frat-boy who does male Sheperd.



Hale: Well I wanted to portray a certain nuance and since the technology has come so far it allows me to really dive into the character at a deeper level.



Meer: Well the card said to be mad, so I said the words louder instead of normal.

[Jospex]

To all the people that think Meer does a better Renegade and Hale does a better Paragon, please remember we're not just comparing those pieces of dialogue. We're talking about all of the voice dialogue, all the interactions, all the speeches & conversations.

And if you really want to compare the flatness/monotone delivery of Meer's VA, look no further than the inspirational speech that Shepherd has to give to the Normandy crew. No matter what option you choose when making the speech (Paragon, Renegade, Neutral), Meer's voice is completely flat -- it sounds like he's reading the darn telephone book! Can you honestly say that delivery would inspire you if you were on the Normandy? Now listen to Hale's delivery for the EXACT same speech, and it's literally NIGHT and DAY.

Another example is diskoh's example above about Shepherd's last lines spoken in the game -- that line is supposed to get across determination, intensity, that the war isn't over! Listen to Meer's delivery of those lines and can you tell me it got you pumped? No way.

I just cannot play Mass Effect with Meer's voice, it's so grating. Again I can't believe he was directed by Bioware to speak like that, since Hale's delivery was so far superior (in every type of situation, not just the Renegade/Paragon pieces).

Modifié par Jospex, 20 janvier 2010 - 08:44 .

[Chaos-fusion]

Fiannawolf wrote...

*Sqeee!*

That is all.

I second this.

I love miss Hale.

[DaeJi]

Willowhugger wrote...

Eh, everyone hates to admit that voice range and acting is subjective.

Actually, no its not. Hale is a superior voice actor; she is able to vary her pitch more, has a broader range of tones, and can pull of more emotions more naturally. Meer is not bad by any means, but he is the weaker actor. Liking a voice acting performance is subjective though.

I like the interview. My Shepard is female, and when I think of Shepard I see a her. Because of that, the current Mass Effect 2 advertising is a little bit off putting, like it's about a different game than what I will be playing. Hearing Hale talk about Shepard, using "she" and "her," made her view of the game more real to me than, say, the "Fight For the Lost" videos. I do wish that BioWare would at least release a video or some screenshots to the boards at least. I doubt people here would be confused.

Fun TImes: Go type "Commander Shepard" into deviantART, find a way to block furry art, and count how many female Shepards there are to male Shepards. Last time I checked, the ratio was 11:1.

[diskoh]

Would you ssay it's subjective that Deniro or Brando are better actors than The Rock?



No, because it's not. Acting is a measurable thing. Hale is better than Meer. It's not an opinion.

[AtreiyaN7]

I'm female with a FemShep, but I like both actors. Jennifer Hale is great, but why must things always devolve into Meer is better than Hale/Hale is better than Meer bickering?

[Wynne]

Meer made a character choice--a sort of nasal quality that just doesn't sound anywhere near as pleasant as his natural voice--and he simply doesn't have the voice experience that Jennifer Hale does. It's not that he's bad, it's just that her skill shows if you compare the two. She gives the character of Shepard more range. Meer can do the tough guy stuff decently, but he failed in the first game when it came to the sensitive stuff. The only time I didn't cry during "I Remember Me" was my middle playthrough when I was doing a MaleShep runthrough--when someone can consistently provoke tears, you know they're good. I just felt like Meer was worried that showing sensitivity would be un-military or something, and that was... just disappointing. I would've liked to see more.

I'm hoping to see Meer stretch his wings a little more this time. Regardless, I have faith Jennifer Hale will be awesome. Fascinating to hear that story about Moon Zappa.

Modifié par Wynne, 20 janvier 2010 - 10:37 .

[FlintlockJazz]

All I can say is, it's amazing how many qualified and experience actors there are here on the boards, able to pass judgement and dictate how things are to people who disagree with their choice...

Shepherd is what you make him/her. Saying that one VA portrays the character better misses the point that it's supposed to be your character, I do not associate any of the voices with Shep, as they don't sound like how I envisage my Shep to talk like. It sounds like more that people have built up characters around the voices as they lack the imagination to come up with their own... *pulls a Dr Evil face and awaits the response*

EDIT:  Just thought I'd add, I personally found Hale's renegade better while Meer's Paragon was better, as Meer pulls off the disciplined soldier type in my mind while Hale's 'emotional' acting showed the undisciplined side of the renegade more, but that apparently is opposite to what others have stated, and people can't have differing views now can we? :innocent:

Modifié par FlintlockJazz, 20 janvier 2010 - 11:33 .

[finc.loki]

The Angry One wrote...

Nope, I genuinely think Meer is dull as dishwater. That and the default face makes me want to kill puppies.
I wouldn't be nearly as vocal about it if femShep and Hale got equal representation, true. But then that's the point isn't it?

Sorry but that sounds idiotic.

Let's say you have two kids a boy and a girl.

Now the teachers are praising or putting forth your boy as some kind of "special" (just an example).
Your girl is not put down, they just don't bring her to the front stage in bla bla bla.

Would you really start telling to everyone and their mother, how crappy your son is and he is all bad, instead of speaking up for your daughter?

Yes femshep might not get equal treatment and that is bad, speak up for that instead.
Honestly you come across like a fool trying to put down a MALE voice actor, when you want a female voice actor to shine through.
They are not competing to do the VO for the same character.

You can think he sounds dull all you want but that does **** to help Hale go anywhere.
Start focusing on her instead.

Also, what you think is merely an opinion, I have no doubt that equal or more like Meer's VO.
Then again as I said they don't compete since they voice different genders.

Be happy that ME got such a great female VO, since you think they don't give equal treatment to the femshep.
You could have ended up with a really bad VO.

It is really weird to see this hate, your picking on the wrong guy so to speak.

Putting someone else down is not going to further your cause.

Perhaps you should stop being the angry one, and more like "hey I should think before I post one"

They are both good, and yes there should be some femshep video's.
Stop picking on Meer, he is not the one making decisions, had the role's been reveresed I doubt you'd say much at all, IE hypocrite.

[Jospex]

finc.loki said...
It is really weird to see this hate, your picking on the wrong guy so to speak.
Putting someone else down is not going to further your cause.

I think you're missing the point here. People aren't necessarily hating. They're expressing a subjective opinion that not only is Jennifer Hale's VA superior, but that Mark Meer's VA is bad. I'm not merely saying one is better than the other -- I'm actually saying Meer's VA is bad.

Of course, that's my opinion and I know you disagree.

But that's what these boards are FOR -- expressing opinions. You can't just ask people not to express opinions when they came here to do just that.

I for one absolutely believe that Mark Meer does a bad job on MaleShep, and I really wish another actor did it instead. I also believe that more people than not agree with me (based on posts on this forum and the old one).

Anyways, I know plenty of people like his VA, so that's cool too.

Modifié par Jospex, 21 janvier 2010 - 02:45 .

[finc.loki]

DaeJi wrote...

Willowhugger wrote...

Eh, everyone hates to admit that voice range and acting is subjective.

Actually, no its not. Hale is a superior voice actor; she is able to vary her pitch more, has a broader range of tones, and can pull of more emotions more naturally. Meer is not bad by any means, but he is the weaker actor. Liking a voice acting performance is subjective though.

I like the interview. My Shepard is female, and when I think of Shepard I see a her. Because of that, the current Mass Effect 2 advertising is a little bit off putting, like it's about a different game than what I will be playing. Hearing Hale talk about Shepard, using "she" and "her," made her view of the game more real to me than, say, the "Fight For the Lost" videos. I do wish that BioWare would at least release a video or some screenshots to the boards at least. I doubt people here would be confused.

Fun TImes: Go type "Commander Shepard" into deviantART, find a way to block furry art, and count how many female Shepards there are to male Shepards. Last time I checked, the ratio was 11:1.

YES IT IS!

Perhaps you should learn what objective and subjective really is before you speak.

There is no more obvious evidence that it IS subjective other than to read this very thread, GEEZ.....

If only ONE person say that they prefer one over the other it is already something subjective.

Besides, it doesn't matter if Hale is 1 thousand million times better than Meer.
She is a woman and she does the female Shepard, he is male and does male shepard.
Nothing will change regarding marketing or anything of the sort.

Only that could change is Meer getting fired for a "better" VO, femshep would still be in the dark...

No matter how fricken awesome Hale is (your opinion), I would never ever want to hear Hale do MALE Sheps voice.
I don't really identify as a transexual.

There is nothing more pathetic than to put others down in order to bring yourself (in this case Hale) into the spot light.
If she is so damn good, let her work speak for it self, and as I said, it still won't change the fact that Bioware has Male shep as the "face" of ME.
There are 9 times more male players, and 90% of those CUSTOMERS WITH MONEY, would identify with a MALE shepard over a great voiced femshep.

I still agree that femshep should be put forth and not left in the dark like this, it is a disservice to all the female gamers, hell they did to a femshep video for ME1.

It doesn't even matter to me if Hale IS better than Meer.
I don't play femshep, so it is a non-issue, now for me I do like the stoic voice and he does a funny renegade.
If I want emotional and sappy or a woman scorn voice with poison I play a femshep.
If I want a laidback stoic guy with funny renegade I play Male shep.

Someone mentioned Hale does great pauses in her VO, perhaps Bioware should hire William Shatner (captain Kirk) to do Shepard then.
No one does a more iconic pause in the voice than him....

Modifié par finc.loki, 21 janvier 2010 - 03:12 .

[finc.loki]

Jospex wrote...

finc.loki said...
It is really weird to see this hate, your picking on the wrong guy so to speak.
Putting someone else down is not going to further your cause.

I think you're missing the point here. People aren't necessarily hating. They're expressing a subjective opinion that not only is Jennifer Hale's VA superior, but that Mark Meer's VA is bad. I'm not merely saying one is better than the other -- I'm actually saying Meer's VA is bad.

Of course, that's my opinion and I know you disagree.

But that's what these boards are FOR -- expressing opinions. You can't just ask people not to express opinions when they came here to do just that.

I for one absolutely believe that Mark Meer does a bad job on MaleShep, and I really wish another actor did it instead. I also believe that more people than not agree with me (based on posts on this forum and the old one).

Anyways, I know plenty of people like his VA, so that's cool too.

Sure, I'm all for opinion, god knows (Atheist, a figure of speech use ) I throw mine around quite liberally.

The thing is that this thread is about how Hale and femshep is in the "background" and never gets any glory and respect and equal treatment , which they should.

My point is , just because Hale is better in VO (opinion again, not  mine) it stil has NOTHING to do with Meer.
What is happening is a lot of anger is being deflected at male shep and Meer cause he get the spot light.

Blame Bioware for that, not Meer.
It isn't Meers talent or no talent that is on the docket here, but Hale and femshep.

This is why I say, crying about Meer is not going to do jack sh*t for Hale or femshep.
Hale is not trying out for Male shep voice position is she?

Modifié par finc.loki, 21 janvier 2010 - 03:20 .

[Eternal Dust]

finc.loki wrote...
There are 9 times more male players, and 90% of those CUSTOMERS WITH MONEY, would identify with a MALE shepard over a great voiced femshep.

Oh look. Random, unsubstantiated statistics.

Anyway, I don't know what people are talking about. Hale is pretty damn convincing as a Renegade. I'm going through a Renegon FemShep playthrough right now and compared to Meer who sounds like a bully, Hale actually sounds threatening enough in her tone to make you believe that she'll kill you with a smile and dance on your grave secretly when no one's looking.

[Fiannawolf]

Ok, not saying what site I saw it at but some one is playing the full game on it, they were at the beginning but I stopped watching after 5 mins or so. But one thing is nice to know, I might be able to get my male Shep port worthy before the 26th, mainly becasue his VO work has improved. It makes me absolutly estatic because I know Hale will be pulling kick ass lines too



Side note: Wow! I likes Jacob! FemShep/Jacob Sibling ass kickery team confirmed! Cause my first import playthrough will have Kai as my LI.