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[Fast Jimmy]

The Xand wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Joshuajet wrote...

The Abrahamic god has commanded people to conquer in his name which, like the Blights that the Maker created as punishment, caused a lot of deaths. I don't want to start a religious war but the Abrahamic God is not really more benevolent than the Maker.

Even in the Old Testament, God has an amazing benevolent side.

And a fantastic sense of humour. Like that one time he told some dude to sacrifice his son to him, then at the last minute was like "Loljokes".

Or ordered the Israelites to kill anyone who crossed a bridge that couldn't pronounce a word correctly because of their accent. Yahweh was alparently a big stickler for proper diction. 

[The Xand]

eluvianix wrote...

The Xand wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Joshuajet wrote...

The Abrahamic god has commanded people to conquer in his name which, like the Blights that the Maker created as punishment, caused a lot of deaths. I don't want to start a religious war but the Abrahamic God is not really more benevolent than the Maker.

Even in the Old Testament, God has an amazing benevolent side.

And a fantastic sense of humour. Like that one time he told some dude to sacrifice his son to him, then at the last minute was like "Loljokes".

Not the best example, perhaps. I have issues with that story.

I don't really much care for all that Old Testament fire and brimstone esp since most of it was retconned out by Jesus and the New Testament. Lots of respect for Jesus and the messages he preached though. Regardless of the actual existence of god or attributed divine powers he seemed like a pretty standup guy. Rather hard to fault the pacifism and charity he taught others and I reckon if I ever became religious it would be to Christianity I turned, of the Protestant sort. Not overly fond of the structure of any of the existing Christian religions because they seem to have strayed pretty far from his original teachings.

Modifié par The Xand, 16 novembre 2013 - 05:37 .

[Hellion Rex]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

The Xand wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Joshuajet wrote...

The Abrahamic god has commanded people to conquer in his name which, like the Blights that the Maker created as punishment, caused a lot of deaths. I don't want to start a religious war but the Abrahamic God is not really more benevolent than the Maker.

Even in the Old Testament, God has an amazing benevolent side.

And a fantastic sense of humour. Like that one time he told some dude to sacrifice his son to him, then at the last minute was like "Loljokes".

Or ordered the Israelites to kill anyone who crossed a bridge that couldn't pronounce a word correctly because of their accent. Yahweh was alparently a big stickler for proper diction. 

Back up. Which story was that?

[Fast Jimmy]

^

I believe it was in Judges? It was an attempt to discover foreign spies. If they couldn't pronounce a word correctly and tried to cross a bridge, they were slaughtered. I don't have the ability to look it up right now, unfortunately.

[The Xand]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

^

I believe it was in Judges? It was an attempt to discover foreign spies. If they couldn't pronounce a word correctly and tried to cross a bridge, they were slaughtered. I don't have the ability to look it up right now, unfortunately.

That's actually quite clever and I can see Judge Dredd doing that to find Sov-block spies.

Modifié par The Xand, 16 novembre 2013 - 05:46 .

[Hellion Rex]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

^

I believe it was in Judges? It was an attempt to discover foreign spies. If they couldn't pronounce a word correctly and tried to cross a bridge, they were slaughtered. I don't have the ability to look it up right now, unfortunately.

Huh....Wow, that is an interesting story. I have never heard of that one. Then again, I usually stick to either Proverbs or Psalms in the Old Testament.

[Fast Jimmy]

The Xand wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

^

I believe it was in Judges? It was an attempt to discover foreign spies. If they couldn't pronounce a word correctly and tried to cross a bridge, they were slaughtered. I don't have the ability to look it up right now, unfortunately.

That's actually quite clever and I can see Judge Dredd doing that to find Sov-block spies.

I am now picturing Buddy-Christ saying "I AM THE LAW!"

[Joshuajet]

eluvianix wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

The Xand wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Joshuajet wrote...

The Abrahamic god has commanded people to conquer in his name which, like the Blights that the Maker created as punishment, caused a lot of deaths. I don't want to start a religious war but the Abrahamic God is not really more benevolent than the Maker.

Even in the Old Testament, God has an amazing benevolent side.

And a fantastic sense of humour. Like that one time he told some dude to sacrifice his son to him, then at the last minute was like "Loljokes".

Or ordered the Israelites to kill anyone who crossed a bridge that couldn't pronounce a word correctly because of their accent. Yahweh was alparently a big stickler for proper diction. 

Back up. Which story was that?

On another note, God commands the death of Homosexuals while the Maker does not. There's also that instance where God made two she-bears kill forty-two children because they called a man baldhead.

[Hellion Rex]

Joshuajet wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

The Xand wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Joshuajet wrote...

The Abrahamic god has commanded people to conquer in his name which, like the Blights that the Maker created as punishment, caused a lot of deaths. I don't want to start a religious war but the Abrahamic God is not really more benevolent than the Maker.

Even in the Old Testament, God has an amazing benevolent side.

And a fantastic sense of humour. Like that one time he told some dude to sacrifice his son to him, then at the last minute was like "Loljokes".

Or ordered the Israelites to kill anyone who crossed a bridge that couldn't pronounce a word correctly because of their accent. Yahweh was alparently a big stickler for proper diction. 

Back up. Which story was that?

On another note, God commands the death of Homosexuals while the Maker does not. There's also that instance where God made two she-bears kill forty-two children because they called a man baldhead.

For the record, I do take personal objection to that law. But even still, God is not all bad.

[Joshuajet]

eluvianix wrote...

Joshuajet wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

The Xand wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Joshuajet wrote...

The Abrahamic god has commanded people to conquer in his name which, like the Blights that the Maker created as punishment, caused a lot of deaths. I don't want to start a religious war but the Abrahamic God is not really more benevolent than the Maker.

Even in the Old Testament, God has an amazing benevolent side.

And a fantastic sense of humour. Like that one time he told some dude to sacrifice his son to him, then at the last minute was like "Loljokes".

Or ordered the Israelites to kill anyone who crossed a bridge that couldn't pronounce a word correctly because of their accent. Yahweh was alparently a big stickler for proper diction. 

Back up. Which story was that?

On another note, God commands the death of Homosexuals while the Maker does not. There's also that instance where God made two she-bears kill forty-two children because they called a man baldhead.

For the record, I do take personal objection to that law. But even still, God is not all bad.

Its true that God isn't that bad by a God's standards. What I meant was that God is not anymore benevolent than the Maker. Although when you measure God by a human's standards its quite different. Hitler was considered horrible and evil when he killed all those people while God killed the entire world with a flood except for one family and people worship him.

[Cainhurst Crow]

This is why i tend to like the greek pantheon. They admit their gods are nothing but super powered ****s. X)

[Hellion Rex]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

This is why i tend to like the greek pantheon. They admit their gods are nothing but super powered ****s. X)

True, the Greeks were more relatable in that sense.

[The Xand]

This must be the first time I've ever said this but I'd appreciate it if we steered away from specific examples of the Abrahamic god being a nob because I don't think that has much bearing on the Maker since the two are very different gods with their own personality traits. The Christian god is arguably the more benevolent of the two because it has a vested interest in the betterment of mankind, even going so far as to have a heaven and hell for good and evil doers respectively, while the Maker is apathetic and utterly indifferent at best, believing mankind is a lost cause and should work hard just to draw it's attention and doesn't even offer it's followers any sort of afterlife beyond vague promises of being promised a place at it's side. Which we're not even sure where is. The Black City, or somewhere else entirely?

Modifié par The Xand, 16 novembre 2013 - 06:17 .

[Hellion Rex]

The Xand wrote...

This must be the first time I've ever said this but I'd appreciate it if we steered away from specific examples of the Abrahamic god being a nob because I don't think that has much bearing on the Maker since the two are very different gods with their own personality traits. The Christian god is arguably the more benevolent of the two because it has a vested interest in the betterment of mankind, even going so far as to have a heaven and hell for good and evil doers respectively, while the Maker is apathetic and utterly indifferent at best, believing mankind is a lost cause and should work hard just to draw it's attention and doesn't even offer it's followers any sort of afterlife beyond vague promises of being promised a place at it's side. Which we're not even sure where is. The Black City, or somewhere else entirely?

Maybe he lies in the place beyond the Fade that Morrigan mentions.

[Vulpe]

 For the record - the christians focus more on The New Testament than the old one. The Torah is basically the first 5 books of The Bible. From The Old Testament  The 10 Commandments, the Psalms and a few others are the ones that get the most attention. For example, the Orthodox Church sees the Old Testament more as a preparation for the New Testament and for the teachings of Christ.

I highly recommend you guys  to read the poems writen by Tudor Arghezi (he even has a volume called Psalms - Pslami in original ). I don't know if there are any english translations, but if you find them get them.He left his home when he way a boy because of his father and at a young age he becomed an orthodox monk. When he went abroad to study Switzerland , the catholic monks tried to convert him to catholicism. Because of this he runed away and had a lose of faith. He survived on the streets painting icons, as he did before becoming a monk.His poems are more philosofical and have an agnostic feel to them.He never denies or accepts God, he's always in an internal conflict between believing and denying.  Here's an example I could find  ( it doesn't have the same musicality as the original, but you get the feeling )
Back on topic :

I've been thinking of The Psalms. They were originally created to be performed by singing and with instrumental accompaniment, much like The Chant Of Light. I find this similarity quite interesting.

Modifié par JulianWellpit, 16 novembre 2013 - 07:50 .

[Silfren]

eluvianix wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

^

I believe it was in Judges? It was an attempt to discover foreign spies. If they couldn't pronounce a word correctly and tried to cross a bridge, they were slaughtered. I don't have the ability to look it up right now, unfortunately.

Huh....Wow, that is an interesting story. I have never heard of that one. Then again, I usually stick to either Proverbs or Psalms in the Old Testament.

He's talking about Shibboleth.  I'm willing to bet you've probably heard variations of it from that word alone, even if you don't know the Biblical account it stems from.

[Hellion Rex]

JulianWellpit wrote...

 For the record - the christians focus more on The New Testament than the old one. The Torah is basically the first 5 books of The Bible. From The Old Testament  The 10 Commandments, the Psalms and a few others are the ones that get the most attention. For example, the Orthodox Church sees the Old Testament more as a preparation for the New Testament and for the teachings of Christ.

I highly recommend you guys  to read the poems writen by Tudor Arghezi (he even has a volume called Psalms - Pslami in original ). I don't know if there are any english translations, but if you find them get them.He left his home when he way a boy because of his father and at a young age he becomed an orthodox monk. When he went abroad to study Switzerland , the catholic monks tried to convert him to catholicism. Because of this he runed away and had a lose of faith. He survived on the streets painting icons, as he did before becoming a monk.His poems are more philosofical and have an agnostic feel to them.He never denies or accepts God, he's always in an internal conflict between believing and denying.  Here's an example I could find  ( it doesn't have the same musicality as the original, but you get the feeling )
Back on topic :

I've been thinking of The Psalms. They were originally created to be performed by singing and with instrumental accompaniment, much like The Chant Of Light. I find this similarity quite interesting.

Much of the Chant, I have found, sounds very similar to pieces of Psalms or Proverbs.

[Thomas Andresen]

This is why i tend to like the greek pantheon. They admit their gods are nothing but super powered ****s. X)

Stephen Fry tends to agree(warning: this is a 61 minute long interview). As he put it, the Greek pantheon were capricious, at best. And as you put it, ever so elegantly, certainly none of them were truly benevolent. Which makes much more sense considering the chaotic nature of, indeed, nature.

[Thomas Andresen]

On another note, God commands the death of Homosexuals while the Maker does not. There's also that instance where God made two she-bears kill forty-two children because they called a man baldhead.

I haven't read the entire Bible, myself, but as far as what's been relayed to me, from biased sources, obviously, the Biblical God never explicitly called for anything of the sort. Rather, he labeled them as "filthy," and in the same passage said the same of many kinds of foods, including swine and pretty much anything edible from the sea. It was a very long list.

[Hellion Rex]

Thomas Andresen wrote...

On another note, God commands the death of Homosexuals while the Maker does not. There's also that instance where God made two she-bears kill forty-two children because they called a man baldhead.

I haven't read the entire Bible, myself, but as far as what's been relayed to me, from biased sources, obviously, the Biblical God never explicitly called for anything of the sort. Rather, he labeled them as "filthy," and in the same passage said the same of many kinds of foods, including swine and pretty much anything edible from the sea. It was a very long list.

 Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
It is definitely in there. However, he does not specifically call for there deaths.

Modifié par eluvianix, 16 novembre 2013 - 08:33 .

[Br3admax]

New Testament>Old Testament

[Hellion Rex]

Br3ad wrote...

New Testament>Old Testament

Amen.

[The Xand]

Kind of hard to imagine Jesus as a homophobe. Certainly adds a bit of flavour to the phrase "turn the other cheek".

[rapscallioness]

Well, tbh, OP--I would Love to have our Inquisitor find out that the Maker and all the myth that goes with it in the DA-verse was just a bunch of Hooey.

If they did however, I would wonder how far the info of this would be allowed to be distributed; how many in Thedas would flatly refuse to even entertain the thought--which would prolly be a sizable amount; how radically would the DA verse change? Would the Qunari see it as an opening to spread their views? Again. lol!

I think BW wants to keep it ambiguous, tho. Which is disappointing to me. I would love for them to shake it up.

Modifié par rapscallioness, 16 novembre 2013 - 08:55 .

[Br3admax]

Wut?