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[megabeast37215]

I still can't make the BatSent a dominating class... Even with Lelands advice. The other two are fine...

[didacuscarr]

DHKany wrote...

If you consider sabotage+homing nade to be a good 1-2 tactic, sure

but asides from the melee build his powers really have 0% synergy. 

Get on PS3 and I'll show you the destroyer of spawns aka no fitness TSE. And try to say his powers have 0% synergy again. 

Btw would you say DA's powers have 0% synergy too, eh?

Modifié par N7didacus, 05 novembre 2013 - 02:06 .

[Rotward]

DHKany wrote...

N7didacus wrote...

NuclearTech76 wrote...

Saboteur is my least favorite. He's a decent kit because of Turian passives but I don't like that his powers really have little synergy.

They actually do have great synergy imo. 

If you consider sabotage+homing nade to be a good 1-2 tactic, sure

but asides from the melee build his powers really have 0% synergy. 

Synergy isn't just about getting combo explosions. If he lets the sentry get agro, he can pile a lot of enemies together, then blast them with gernades. He can use sabotage and the sentry to flank enemeis all by himself. 

[DHKany]

N7didacus wrote...

DHKany wrote...

If you consider sabotage+homing nade to be a good 1-2 tactic, sure

but asides from the melee build his powers really have 0% synergy. 

Get on PS3 and I'll show you the destroyer of spawns aka no fitness TSE. And try to say his powers have 0% synergy again. 

Btw would you say DA's powers have 0% synergy too, eh?

I never mentioned the DA, why bring him in. 

Also Any type of spawn destroying the TSE can do (tech ammo priming with HG detonations im assuming with sabotage) any other grenade class can probably do it more effectively and efficiently. 

[Jaun Shepard]

Turian Sab. At least V eng can incendiary glitch.

[didacuscarr]

Reave + Cluster Grenades is pretty much this and no one would ever say his powers have no synergy. 

DHKany wrote...

N7didacus wrote...

DHKany wrote...

If you consider sabotage+homing nade to be a good 1-2 tactic, sure

but asides from the melee build his powers really have 0% synergy. 

Get on PS3 and I'll show you the destroyer of spawns aka no fitness TSE. And try to say his powers have 0% synergy again. 

Btw would you say DA's powers have 0% synergy too, eh?

I never mentioned the DA, why bring him in. 

Also Any type of spawn destroying the TSE can do (tech ammo priming with HG detonations im assuming with sabotage) any other grenade class can probably do it more effectively and efficiently. 

[DHKany]

Sabotage doesn't buff HG damage, and even the buffed TB/tech ammo detonation does not even compare to the 3 meter unlimited target cap prime radiu of reave and the no target cap CG.

[didacuscarr]

DHKany wrote...

Sabotage doesn't buff HG damage, and even the buffed TB/tech ammo detonation does not even compare to the 3 meter unlimited target cap prime radiu of reave and the no target cap CG.

I was not saying anything about what is better. And all nades have no target cap. 

[DHKany]

You were suggesting that they were almost equal, which they are in concept, but that's it.

[ROBOTICSUPERMAN]

but really, if we're really honest. the tsab is better than the vorcha engie and bat sent though, right?

[Malanek]

The Vorcha Hunter is, in my opinion, the best engineer in the game. (OK, maybe second best after quarian male). Don't like the other two but the BatSent is at least a decent tank and actually very good in an all biotic team.

[smeckie]

ROBOTICSUPERMAN wrote...

but really, if we're really honest. the tsab is better than the vorcha engie and bat sent though, right?

No the SABOTURD! is not better than the vorcha engie or bat sent......to be honest with you.

[MetalDeggial]

The Vorcha Engineer is the best one, because of the Incendiary glitch. The batarian comes close with a shield regen speed build and sheer fun going nuts with different builds, and the Saboteur comes dead last. Not even the Venom can save the failed Armiger.

[TheNightSlasher]

The TSE and VHE are excellent classes. IMO, they are better than grenade/mine spamming QME and talon merc.

I can't speak for the BatSent because I don't play him often but I am sure his tankiness makes him a well-rounded power-user.

Modifié par bgsam1990, 05 novembre 2013 - 09:24 .

[TheNightSlasher]

MetalDeggial wrote...

The Vorcha Engineer is the best one, because of the Incendiary glitch. The batarian comes close with a shield regen speed build and sheer fun going nuts with different builds, and the Saboteur comes dead last. Not even the Venom can save the failed Armiger.

I disagree. Venom melee sabo is quite powerful and lots of fun!

[Miniditka77]

The Saboteur, Vorcha Engineer, and Batarian Sentinel are NOT good characters.  They all have redeeming qualities, but they are three of the worst characters in the game (all beating the Volus Sentinel though).  If they are "good," then all the characters are "good", and relative terms have no meaning any more.

Out of these, I'd say it goes Batarian Sentinel > Saboteur >  Vorcha Engineer.

[Beerfish]

Bat Sent is good because of his passives, sturdiness and the harrier.

[Malanek]

Miniditka77 wrote...

The Saboteur, Vorcha Engineer, and Batarian Sentinel are NOT good characters.  They all have redeeming qualities, but they are three of the worst characters in the game (all beating the Volus Sentinel though).  If they are "good," then all the characters are "good", and relative terms have no meaning any more.

Out of these, I'd say it goes Batarian Sentinel > Saboteur >  Vorcha Engineer.

The Vorcha Hunter is one of the fastest characters in the game, regenerates health and hits really hard against bosses thanks to incendiary glitch. Even without the incendiary glitch its still quite good with a decent weapon just due its mobility and survivability. Its not a question of all kits being good, everything is relative. And the Hunter is very good relative to most other kits.

I think its probably the single most underrated kit by the highest number of people.

Modifié par Malanek999, 05 novembre 2013 - 10:46 .

[ROBOTICSUPERMAN]

sorry guys but the tsab does faster and more powerful TBs than the vorcha hunter.

my tsab
total damage of sabotage and homing grenade and tech burst combined.
health:4815
armour:4815
barrier:4815
shields:6605

my hunter
total damage of subnet and incinerate and tech burst combined.
health:4850
armour:6054
barrier:4368
shields:5212

and as you can see from my vorcha build, this is including the pistol power amp mod which the tsab does not get, and the tsab does not have 200% cooldown either(not that it holds him back much)
also the vorcha's damage in this calculation is made as if all the subnet DOT is dealt upfront, which is not(mainly because I cant remember how much damage is dealt upfront . so if someone can supply me with the percent of damage dealt upfront, I can fix this)

long story short, tsab does a stronger immediate damage hit, but the vorcha hunter will do more in total if you wait for it to die

[Malanek]

ROBOTICSUPERMAN wrote...
sorry guys but the tsab does faster and more powerful TBs than the vorcha hunter.

The discussion is which one is the best, not which one has the best tech burst. Two completely seperate things. Optimised Hunters and Batsents cant tech burst at all.

[MetalDeggial]

bgsam1990 wrote...

MetalDeggial wrote...

The Vorcha Engineer is the best one, because of the Incendiary glitch. The batarian comes close with a shield regen speed build and sheer fun going nuts with different builds, and the Saboteur comes dead last. Not even the Venom can save the failed Armiger.

I disagree. Venom melee sabo is quite powerful and lots of fun!

4 words: Dual Strike Venom Havoc.

[TheNightSlasher]

MetalDeggial wrote...

bgsam1990 wrote...

MetalDeggial wrote...

The Vorcha Engineer is the best one, because of the Incendiary glitch. The batarian comes close with a shield regen speed build and sheer fun going nuts with different builds, and the Saboteur comes dead last. Not even the Venom can save the failed Armiger.

I disagree. Venom melee sabo is quite powerful and lots of fun!

4 words: Dual Strike Venom Havoc.

Sure, the havoc is good but the present discussion is about sabo, VHE and batsent. I was merely saying that the saboteur is pretty damn good with venom, esp. with the melee build. No comparisons with the havoc. I love both the builds though...

[Chealec]

Aaaaand I took fatherofpearl's advice and tried the TSab with the Venom/Indeciary ammo, it's still pretty awful off-host but that's probably me... I have problems with the Venom off-host anyway.

On-host it was better but still can't hold a candle to a melee specced Cabal with a Venom and Omni-blade, in terms of damage output or general all-round fun to play. Not bad at taking down Ravagers at range if you arc the shots from the Venom right. And, of course, being a Venom if you're against Cerberus you'll rack up the Phantom points - even hosting. Not bad at crowd control... but then, Venom with Incendiary rounds and a detonator is always going to be good at crowd control or mopping up spawns, nothing special about the TSab there.

Otherwise, timing seems to be the trick, launch the homing grenade and just before it connects, Sabotage for the Tech Burst... but it's still a pretty "meh" class IMO and the most fun thing is sabotaging Cerberus Turrets.

Had a lot more fun this evening playing with the Cabal Vanguard, Turian Havoc, Vorcha Soldier, Volus Mercenary and Krogan Sentinel.

[Trav-O]

I don't really care for Turian Sab or Vor Engie just out of principle (ME HATE MORE TURIANS AND VORCHA! WHY NO NEW SALARIAN?). I did learn to use Bat Sent early on, once you get the net draw down, its actually pretty cool.

[ROBOTICSUPERMAN]

Malanek999 wrote...

ROBOTICSUPERMAN wrote...
sorry guys but the tsab does faster and more powerful TBs than the vorcha hunter.

The discussion is which one is the best, not which one has the best tech burst. Two completely seperate things. Optimised Hunters and Batsents cant tech burst at all.

touche on the bold bit.

but what are the optimal builds then?