DeinonSlayer wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
Good grief, that's scary to you? Aside from it being rather lovely, that's incredibly tame.You wanna know what's scarier? Fan art.
Don't say you weren't warned.
Why am I not surprised...
A strawman if I have ever seen one. This wasn't even the case presented, but good job throwing fallacy over fallacy; it really helps stroke the old ego, doesn't it?Robosexual wrote...
Br3ad wrote...
What war crimes? Morals are not something that should be factored into this anyway.Robosexual wrote...
MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
The safety of US military personnel comes before the safety of civilians in a combat zone. The only thing keeping Ray from giving the order to let us do what it takes is the public media and civilian distaste with what we do.
It's incredibly disturbing that you don't consider morals as being something to stop you from commiting war crimes.
You're right, wars are meant to be won quickly. If the enemy is on the run just grab his daughter from school and kill her unless he turns himself in. Don't waste bullets though, just grab a bottle of alchohol, a rag, and a match, it's cheaper. Once he turns himself in just kill them both.
Morals are not something that should be factored into this anyway.
Xilizhra wrote...
So presumably you agree with Adams about EDI?dreamgazer wrote...
The Normandy counts as a character.
Therefore, discussion about where the armory would go is relevant to the thread's topic.
Carry on.
Mr.House wrote...
I don't know what Cerberus was thinking about putting the armoy in a place where peopel who have to leave for a mission have to take a detour. It works both ways.MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
dreamgazer wrote...
Guys, Jacob obviously deserves to take the room from Liara. Use your heads here.
I'd rather let Jacob have the Armory back.
Don't know what the alliance techs were thinking putting it at the single most vulnerable point of intrusion on the ship, away from where the crew can easily access it in the event of an emergency.
Mr.House wrote...
I thought it was to resolve daddy issues.dreamgazer wrote...
The Normandy counts as a character.
Therefore, discussion about where the armory would go is relevant to the thread's topic.
Carry on.
I always thought she'd be more fitting in an "Anna Grimsdottir" role, considering her skillset and the additional dangers from a weak immune system. Maybe use that drone of hers to scout ahead, hack doors, that kind of thing. Not to say she wouldn't see combat, but it wouldn't be her primary function.MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Mr.House wrote...
Ah so now this thread will turn into a Liara hate thread, then a Tali hate thread. Good to see the bsn thread lifespan never changes.
I'm not trying to change this into a hate thread. I'm simply saying what I wish I could do.
Tali would stay in the Engineering deck. As much as a I dislike her, she's a prodigious engineer. So she's useful, and therefore gets necessary quarters.
dreamgazer wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
So presumably you agree with Adams about EDI?dreamgazer wrote...
The Normandy counts as a character.
Therefore, discussion about where the armory would go is relevant to the thread's topic.
Carry on.
Not exactly. The Normandy was its own character starting in ME1.
Say that to Grunt and Tali, who have to take a massive detour so they can leave. It's stupid. Then again, the Normandy design in ME2/3 is stupid to begin with. *sigh* I miss the old Normandy which felt like a combat ship.MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Mr.House wrote...
I don't know what Cerberus was thinking about putting the armoy in a place where peopel who have to leave for a mission have to take a detour. It works both ways.MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
dreamgazer wrote...
Guys, Jacob obviously deserves to take the room from Liara. Use your heads here.
I'd rather let Jacob have the Armory back.
Don't know what the alliance techs were thinking putting it at the single most vulnerable point of intrusion on the ship, away from where the crew can easily access it in the event of an emergency.
Seemed to make perfect sense to me (And U.S. Navy doctrine): Keep the armory close to where the crew is and keep it in a secure area of the ship that's hard to access. And grab your gear, walk 4 steps to the elevator, ride down to the shuttle bay, and bam, on your way. Instead, the armory is, as I said, in the most easily accessible point of intrusion, as well as out of the way of most of the crew in event of a ship-wide disaster or boarding.
Exactly. BioWare shouldn't have made her say no. It's not fair to the male gender.Seboist wrote...
Br3ad wrote...
I wish that Traynor wouldn't deny my MaleShep's awesomeness. It would be a huge improvement if I was allowed to romance her without having to be female.
It would be very inclusive if she did.
Seboist wrote...
I'd move Shisk to Liara's room and Liara to the airlock....
DeinonSlayer wrote...
I always thought she'd be more fitting in an "Anna Grimsdottir" role, considering her skillset and the additional dangers from a weak immune system. Maybe use that drone of hers to scout ahead, hack doors, that kind of thing. Not to say she wouldn't see combat, but it wouldn't be her primary function.MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Mr.House wrote...
Ah so now this thread will turn into a Liara hate thread, then a Tali hate thread. Good to see the bsn thread lifespan never changes.
I'm not trying to change this into a hate thread. I'm simply saying what I wish I could do.
Tali would stay in the Engineering deck. As much as a I dislike her, she's a prodigious engineer. So she's useful, and therefore gets necessary quarters.
With those massive spiral staircases and that... elevator?Mr.House wrote...
Say that to Grunt and Tali, who have to take a massive detour so they can leave. It's stupid. Then again, the Normandy design in ME2/3 is stupid to begin with. *sigh* I miss the old Normandy which felt like a combat ship.MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Mr.House wrote...
I don't know what Cerberus was thinking about putting the armoy in a place where peopel who have to leave for a mission have to take a detour. It works both ways.MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
dreamgazer wrote...
Guys, Jacob obviously deserves to take the room from Liara. Use your heads here.
I'd rather let Jacob have the Armory back.
Don't know what the alliance techs were thinking putting it at the single most vulnerable point of intrusion on the ship, away from where the crew can easily access it in the event of an emergency.
Seemed to make perfect sense to me (And U.S. Navy doctrine): Keep the armory close to where the crew is and keep it in a secure area of the ship that's hard to access. And grab your gear, walk 4 steps to the elevator, ride down to the shuttle bay, and bam, on your way. Instead, the armory is, as I said, in the most easily accessible point of intrusion, as well as out of the way of most of the crew in event of a ship-wide disaster or boarding.
General Slotts wrote...
Seboist wrote...
I'd move Shisk to Liara's room and Liara to the airlock....
Shisk: We know Gavorn's tricks.
Shepard: Good work. Carry on.
Br3ad wrote...
A strawman if I have ever seen one. This wasn't even the case presented, but good job throwing fallacy over fallacy; it really helps stroke the old ego, doesn't it?Robosexual wrote...
You're right, wars are meant to be won quickly. If the enemy is on the run just grab his daughter from school and kill her unless he turns himself in. Don't waste bullets though, just grab a bottle of alchohol, a rag, and a match, it's cheaper. Once he turns himself in just kill them both.
Morals are not something that should be factored into this anyway.
dreamgazer wrote...
Not exactly. The Normandy was its own character starting in ME1.
Mr.House wrote...
Say that to Grunt and Tali, who have to take a massive detour so they can leave. It's stupid. Then again, the Normandy design in ME2/3 is stupid to begin with. *sigh* I miss the old Normandy which felt like a combat ship.MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Mr.House wrote...
I don't know what Cerberus was thinking about putting the armoy in a place where peopel who have to leave for a mission have to take a detour. It works both ways.MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
dreamgazer wrote...
Guys, Jacob obviously deserves to take the room from Liara. Use your heads here.
I'd rather let Jacob have the Armory back.
Don't know what the alliance techs were thinking putting it at the single most vulnerable point of intrusion on the ship, away from where the crew can easily access it in the event of an emergency.
Seemed to make perfect sense to me (And U.S. Navy doctrine): Keep the armory close to where the crew is and keep it in a secure area of the ship that's hard to access. And grab your gear, walk 4 steps to the elevator, ride down to the shuttle bay, and bam, on your way. Instead, the armory is, as I said, in the most easily accessible point of intrusion, as well as out of the way of most of the crew in event of a ship-wide disaster or boarding.
You mean those two small staircases and that one hsort elevator ride that brought you to only one place?DeinonSlayer wrote...
With those massive spiral staircases and that... elevator?Mr.House wrote...
Say that to Grunt and Tali, who have to take a massive detour so they can leave. It's stupid. Then again, the Normandy design in ME2/3 is stupid to begin with. *sigh* I miss the old Normandy which felt like a combat ship.MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Mr.House wrote...
I don't know what Cerberus was thinking about putting the armoy in a place where peopel who have to leave for a mission have to take a detour. It works both ways.MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
dreamgazer wrote...
Guys, Jacob obviously deserves to take the room from Liara. Use your heads here.
I'd rather let Jacob have the Armory back.
Don't know what the alliance techs were thinking putting it at the single most vulnerable point of intrusion on the ship, away from where the crew can easily access it in the event of an emergency.
Seemed to make perfect sense to me (And U.S. Navy doctrine): Keep the armory close to where the crew is and keep it in a secure area of the ship that's hard to access. And grab your gear, walk 4 steps to the elevator, ride down to the shuttle bay, and bam, on your way. Instead, the armory is, as I said, in the most easily accessible point of intrusion, as well as out of the way of most of the crew in event of a ship-wide disaster or boarding.
General Slotts wrote...
Seboist wrote...
I'd move Shisk to Liara's room and Liara to the airlock....
Shisk: We know Gavorn's tricks.
Shepard: Good work. Carry on.
iakus wrote...
dreamgazer wrote...
Not exactly. The Normandy was its own character starting in ME1.
Too bad that one died horribly and pointlessly at the start of ME2, eh?
Robosexual wrote...
Br3ad wrote...
A strawman if I have ever seen one. This wasn't even the case presented, but good job throwing fallacy over fallacy; it really helps stroke the old ego, doesn't it?Robosexual wrote...
You're right, wars are meant to be won quickly. If the enemy is on the run just grab his daughter from school and kill her unless he turns himself in. Don't waste bullets though, just grab a bottle of alchohol, a rag, and a match, it's cheaper. Once he turns himself in just kill them both.
Morals are not something that should be factored into this anyway.
Nice rebuttal, that totally showed the error in my argument. I don't think it's humanly possible break through your stellar counter-argument, man how silly I feel.
You're compairing our warships to a space warships that should not have that many windows or feel like a luxtury yacht.MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Mr.House wrote...
Say that to Grunt and Tali, who have to take a massive detour so they can leave. It's stupid. Then again, the Normandy design in ME2/3 is stupid to begin with. *sigh* I miss the old Normandy which felt like a combat ship.MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Mr.House wrote...
I don't know what Cerberus was thinking about putting the armoy in a place where peopel who have to leave for a mission have to take a detour. It works both ways.MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
dreamgazer wrote...
Guys, Jacob obviously deserves to take the room from Liara. Use your heads here.
I'd rather let Jacob have the Armory back.
Don't know what the alliance techs were thinking putting it at the single most vulnerable point of intrusion on the ship, away from where the crew can easily access it in the event of an emergency.
Seemed to make perfect sense to me (And U.S. Navy doctrine): Keep the armory close to where the crew is and keep it in a secure area of the ship that's hard to access. And grab your gear, walk 4 steps to the elevator, ride down to the shuttle bay, and bam, on your way. Instead, the armory is, as I said, in the most easily accessible point of intrusion, as well as out of the way of most of the crew in event of a ship-wide disaster or boarding.
Having been on many warrships in my life, the SR-2 in ME2 was the most realistic IMO. Granted, none of them had a standard that was to be met.
dreamgazer wrote...
iakus wrote...
dreamgazer wrote...
Not exactly. The Normandy was its own character starting in ME1.
Too bad that one died horribly and pointlessly at the start of ME2, eh?
And it was "reconstructed", just like a certain Commander we know.
1. An enemy on the run is not a threat to the soldier so how is it related to protecting the soldier's life.Robosexual wrote...
Br3ad wrote...
A strawman if I have ever seen one. This wasn't even the case presented, but good job throwing fallacy over fallacy; it really helps stroke the old ego, doesn't it?Robosexual wrote...
You're right, wars are meant to be won quickly. If the enemy is on the run just grab his daughter from school and kill her unless he turns himself in. Don't waste bullets though, just grab a bottle of alchohol, a rag, and a match, it's cheaper. Once he turns himself in just kill them both.
Morals are not something that should be factored into this anyway.
Nice rebuttal, that totally showed the error in my argument. I don't think it's humanly possible break through your stellar counter-argument, man how silly I feel.
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AresKeith wrote...
Robosexual wrote...
Nice rebuttal, that totally showed the error in my argument. I don't think it's humanly possible break through your stellar counter-argument, man how silly I feel.
Maybe you shouldn't have used a strawman
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