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The romance arc isn't entirely about "pulling her out". You could tell her at the end of the romance that you want HER to change you, in turn. lol. I think the line is "I'll **** you up." Shepard: "Here's hoping." It kind of comes full circle. As for the loyalty mission, it's based more on identifying with her survival, and not letting it drag her down. But it's not like she was helpless fighting Cerberus on her own. And needed a new "daddy". She just wanted blow up that facility. It's just catharis. Also, she'd been killing them right and left, just like Shepard does in ME1. Miranda admits as much if when you recruit Jack.


To be fair, just because she's a beast and not helpless on her own, and killing them left and right, makes it seem even more like daddy issues. It's like her daddy issues are just feeding her rage the whole time, because her daddy (Cerberus) mistreated her in her youth, so she becomes self destructive. And yet somehow she still feels special because at least her daddy was paying attention to her more than the other test subjects, even though the attention meant torture and conditioning. And then she goes back to the room where the abuse took place, and she finally confronts her dad and tells him to go to hell (the big asplosion) and she can then begin to move on with her life, after finding Shep!Daddy, and realising that she doesn't have to be tortured in a relationship to feel special.

Sorry lol maybe that went a bit far and seems a bit of a reach, but I think being primed for it by all the other daddy issues didn't help

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Eh I always have some quibbles with certain design direction for movies and video games, but for the most part, unless it's an egregious misstep or just flat out ridiculous I don't make a big deal about it. Now, if femShep's armor had exposed midriff, then it'd be a different story.

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Wanting the armor to be more sexy is the same kind of b.s. horny nerds talk about when discussing blueprint differences for each variation of Tali's thong. It's best left for the more fringe sci-fi..umm.. virgins [i.e. virgins who out****** other virgins]. At a certain point, you just gotta get laid.


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Tali: She would have behaved more like Legion if you choose the Geth over the Quarians, I personally thought both of their reactions were off for the situation. Suicide only if she was romanced.

TIM: A little less arbitrarily evil in ME3 please. Having him go totally rogue from the alliance from the get-go seemed way to implausible, especially if he wasn't supposed to already be indoctrinated.

Liara: I kind of was put off by her sudden personality change going ME1 to 2, I mean, Asari live for 1000 years, I would have expected them to mature slower if anything. I guess it would have been nice to see a just a little more of the naive Liara personality from ME1 in ME2 and 3.

Shepard: Could have been given more options to show a little more knowledge about basic codex stuff. Like why the genophage is no first contact war, and why the Quarians are forced to live in ships. This is basic galactic history stuff, and humanity's first galactic policeman has a first grader's grasp on the state of the galaxy.

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I can't imagine that Tali would be a tolerable character after the Rannoch arc if she happens to survive the ordeal after witnessing the extinction of her species, considering how emotional this character is written. I can just see her in the corner of Shepard's apartment, drinking herself to death during the party if you do the DLC afterwards.

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 The character I would change first is OMEGA and clear up how it is defined and framed in the MEU. In the novels it has a connection to the Reapers, having some references to them being "offended" by the haphazard construction of the later races and that mining the rock was getting closer to their constructions.

I would also make more mention of it having more Relay connection in the map than any other sector. The only other relay with more connections is WIDOW, which is stated to have dozens a couple of times. essentially you control Omega, you control the terminus region.

I would make OMEGA a mini me Citadel, one that was taken out, but not destroyed in the Prothean cycle. This would gave the setting for the character changes to Garrus.

I would have Garrus, Mordin and Aria as specialists who were on Omega to further their races interests. Aria has been there for centuries, but that is OK, Asari live long lives, Garrus got a career bump after Saren and is now in a Turian STG type unit. Mordin is already high rank STG as well. The three compete and collaborate to keep the larger sector of the Galaxy that resist Council Direct Authority under a form of control.

Of course this contradicts the cult of Shepard and Garrus' friendship, but these are professional military officers, know chain of command and the need to compartmentalise information. Also fits the perspective that should have been reinforced that Shepard coming back to life was VERY suspicious, especially in the hands of Cerberus and Miranda Lawson. The fact that she was a clone herself never entered the script at any point. So you have a "miracle" figure, that is costructed by an Terrorist Organisation that employed Cloning technology.

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I would also make more mention of it having more Relay connection in the map than any other sector. The only other relay with more connections is WIDOW, which is stated to have dozens a couple of times. essentially you control Omega, you control the terminus region.


To be fair, wasn't that the whole premise of Cerberus' invasion during the Omega DLC? This pretty much informed an entire DLC episode...

Also could you elaborate on your first paragraph about the Reapers' connection to Omega? I didn't quite follow it and it sounds interesting

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In this case, the daddy issues seem to be pretty equal opportunity.  Everyone had them, male or female.


Hmm that's true at least guys had them too, but correct me if I'm wrong but from what I remember we've got:

Ashley, Tali, Miranda, Jack on the female side vs Jacob and Grunt on the male side

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The romance arc isn't entirely about "pulling her out". You could tell her at the end of the romance that you want HER to change you, in turn. lol. I think the line is "I'll **** you up." Shepard: "Here's hoping." It kind of comes full circle. As for the loyalty mission, it's based more on identifying with her survival, and not letting it drag her down. But it's not like she was helpless fighting Cerberus on her own. And needed a new "daddy". She just wanted blow up that facility. It's just catharis. Also, she'd been killing them right and left, just like Shepard does in ME1. Miranda admits as much if when you recruit Jack.


To be fair, just because she's a beast and not helpless on her own, and killing them left and right, makes it seem even more like daddy issues. It's like her daddy issues are just feeding her rage the whole time, because her daddy (Cerberus) mistreated her in her youth, so she becomes self destructive. And yet somehow she still feels special because at least her daddy was paying attention to her more than the other test subjects, even though the attention meant torture and conditioning. And then she goes back to the room where the abuse took place, and she finally confronts her dad and tells him to go to hell (the big asplosion) and she can then begin to move on with her life, after finding Shep!Daddy, and realising that she doesn't have to be tortured in a relationship to feel special.

Sorry lol maybe that went a bit far and seems a bit of a reach, but I think being primed for it by all the other daddy issues didn't help


Yeah, I think you're kind of going overboard. Cerberus isn't a "daddy", for one. They're a human supremacy group, and generally speaking, a bunch of mad scientists. There's nothing parental about it. And by that point in the series, Cerberus was only just starting to get fleshed out (with novels, with some of the new writing in ME2), but Jack's mission is the only counterpoint to Miranda and Jacob in that whole game. Before Overlord came out at least. Tali mentions some of the story from the Ascension novel (which also dealt with Cerberus abusing a human biotic), but they can't give you all that in the game. So Jack's kind of there to address some of those things in a condensed way.

As for the rest. She thought she was tougher for surviving. Not for being singled out. She didn't know she was a "special" until you got to the facility. She didn't know about all of the experiments on other kids, and when she found out, she didn't want to believe it at first. She didn't know anything. She was just trapped in a room most of the time.

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Hmmmmm yeah I guess that makes sense. I suppose I was already primed and laughing at the numerous daddy issues already present, so when Jack turned up I was almost looking for a daddy issue lol

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Yougotcarved1 wrote...

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Wanting the armor to be more sexy is the same kind of b.s. horny nerds talk about when discussing blueprint differences for each variation of Tali's thong. It's best left for the more fringe sci-fi..umm.. virgins [i.e. virgins who out****** other virgins]. At a certain point, you just gotta get laid.



I think half of the people at this site are in our 20s and 30s. *Gasp* Possibly even with our own virgin offspring. I don't think it's necessarily a bunch of undersexed teens. Horny males though, sure. Big deal.

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Yougotcarved1 wrote...

iakus wrote...
In this case, the daddy issues seem to be pretty equal opportunity.  Everyone had them, male or female.


Hmm that's true at least guys had them too, but correct me if I'm wrong but from what I remember we've got:

Ashley, Tali, Miranda, Jack on the female side vs Jacob and Grunt on the male side


I don't recall Grunt having any daddy issues. If anything, his issue was one of identity, since he is an amalgam of different warlords grown in a tube, rather than one born into a clan. The stuff with Okeer doesn't really seem to weigh on his mind at all.

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Grunt didn't even care about Okeer. That's the extent of his daddy issues.

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I think half of the people at this site are in our 20s and 30s. *Gasp* Possibly even with our own virgin offspring. I don't think it's necessarily a bunch of undersexed teens. Horny males though, sure. Big deal.


Yeah but that argument applies equally to you saying anyone who doesn't want oversexed armour is just a massive dork. My point was that it's just as bad going completely realistic to cater to nerds as it is to go completely oversexed to cater for horny nerds

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I found his indifference toward Okeer refreshing. He's like a giant aloof cat turtle dinosaur thing.

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Does Thane count, seeing as how he has some issues being a dad?

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Well, you do deal with Kolyat's daddy issues once you do his loyalty mission.

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StreetMagic wrote...
As for the rest. She thought she was tougher for surviving. Not for being singled out. She didn't know she was a "special" until you got to the facility. She didn't know about all of the experiments on other kids, and when she found out, she didn't want to believe it at first. She didn't know anything. She was just trapped in a room most of the time.


I think it's the opposite. She DOES think she's s[ecial, until she finds out that the other kids actually had it worse than she did, and that she was the end of the experiments, no the beginning. 

To answer the question though, I would have had Kaidan in ME1 at least make a passing interest at Mshep, considering he talks about being attracted to Liara, Femshep, and EDI too...then all of a sudden it's like, "BTW. I just figured out I like you...so wanna be my bf?"

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I think half of the people at this site are in our 20s and 30s. *Gasp* Possibly even with our own virgin offspring. I don't think it's necessarily a bunch of undersexed teens. Horny males though, sure. Big deal.


Yeah but that argument applies equally to you saying anyone who doesn't want oversexed armour is just a massive dork. My point was that it's just as bad going completely realistic to cater to nerds as it is to go completely oversexed to cater for horny nerds


If it makes you feel better, I called everyone a dork. Including myself. B) But yeah, some can be massive dorks.

It's no different than those threads awhile back where people were debating what kind of trajectory Shepard's body would need to be in order actually remain intact, not burn up, and be usable for the Lazarus project. Same thing. All I can say to any of that stuff is, try to have more fun.

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Yeah that trajectory thread was certainly a nerdlinger's demolition derby.

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If it makes you feel better, I called everyone a dork. Including myself. B) But yeah, some can be massive dorks.

It's no different than those threads awhile back where people were debating what kind of trajectory Shepard's body would need to be in order actually remain intact, not burn up, and be usable for the Lazarus project. Same thing. All I can say to any of that stuff is, try to have more fun.


Haha. I dunno I don't find it that fun going like "MAAAAN look at Ashley's boob shaped armour! I'm having a whale of a time over here!". It doesn't really add anything. But realism in sci-fi is always an important consideration, the Shepard's body trajectory thing is a bit far though lol

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As for the rest. She thought she was tougher for surviving. Not for being singled out. She didn't know she was a "special" until you got to the facility. She didn't know about all of the experiments on other kids, and when she found out, she didn't want to believe it at first. She didn't know anything. She was just trapped in a room most of the time.


I think it's the opposite. She DOES think she's s[ecial, until she finds out that the other kids actually had it worse than she did, and that she was the end of the experiments, no the beginning. 

To answer the question though, I would have had Kaidan in ME1 at least make a passing interest at Mshep, considering he talks about being attracted to Liara, Femshep, and EDI too...then all of a sudden it's like, "BTW. I just figured out I like you...so wanna be my bf?"


I think the word "special" has it's own connotations. She just thinks she's tougher. That only she survived, they didn't (on a sidenote, the same mistake is made by Sole Survivor Shep and Toombs. Toombs ended up suffering more and "you got away with a scary reputation"). My main beef here though is just painting it all as daddy issues. I think at least half of the ME2 quests offered better stories than that. It makes the whole game sound so  ridiculous.

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I would also make more mention of it having more Relay connection in the map than any other sector. The only other relay with more connections is WIDOW, which is stated to have dozens a couple of times. essentially you control Omega, you control the terminus region.


To be fair, wasn't that the whole premise of Cerberus' invasion during the Omega DLC? This pretty much informed an entire DLC episode...

Also could you elaborate on your first paragraph about the Reapers' connection to Omega? I didn't quite follow it and it sounds interesting


I cannot recall the exact quote or the Novel that mentions the Reaper connection to Omega., but it was written by DK and was part of the Greyson story. There is some mention in the novel when Greyson returns to Omega after being indoctrinated and turned into the powerful Reaper Avatar about them recognising elements in the architecture as being of their construction and mention of their negative feelings about the state of it now.

This same novel IIRC also ends with Cerberus having been served a crushing defeat and TIM essentially on the run. The fact that Cerbers returned in the form they did in ME3 mere months afterwards seems more than awkward to me. So further amplifying their capability to take control of such a strategic facility as Omega, build a facility in the Omega 4 relay and do gentic engineering etc to create adjutants in the same timeline as ME3 only seems more out of place.

Fun chapter though, lots of shooting. just what I like about ME :whistle:

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Haha my daddy issues quest is partly tongue in cheek, to be fair it never bothered me much when I was actually playing it.

I just love that we can now link The Catalyst to Leviathan daddy issues :P

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StreetMagic wrote...

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StreetMagic wrote...
As for the rest. She thought she was tougher for surviving. Not for being singled out. She didn't know she was a "special" until you got to the facility. She didn't know about all of the experiments on other kids, and when she found out, she didn't want to believe it at first. She didn't know anything. She was just trapped in a room most of the time.


I think it's the opposite. She DOES think she's s[ecial, until she finds out that the other kids actually had it worse than she did, and that she was the end of the experiments, no the beginning. 

To answer the question though, I would have had Kaidan in ME1 at least make a passing interest at Mshep, considering he talks about being attracted to Liara, Femshep, and EDI too...then all of a sudden it's like, "BTW. I just figured out I like you...so wanna be my bf?"


I think the word "special" has it's own connotations. She just thinks she's tougher. That only she survived, they didn't (on a sidenote, the same mistake is made by Sole Survivor Shep and Toombs. Toombs ended up suffering more and "you got away with a scary reputation"). My main beef here though is just painting it all as daddy issues. I think at least half of the ME2 quests offered better stories than that. It makes the whole game sound so  ridiculous.


Toombs is probably my favorite character in the series (I have no idea why, his story just seems so..tragic). And my main shep is spacer/ss. Which again brings up another point. You can question Miranda/TIM/Cerberus about most everything they've done EXCEPT for Akuze? Personally, I would have offered Toombs a spot on the Squad , considering he single handedly was able to take out four "ex-Alliance" scientists (who all were connected to Akuzw, which was a Cerberus op...so the Alliance caused Akuze?...anyway) he defintely deserves  it more than Lara/Tali as a combat option and possibly more than Ashley as well.