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[Dieb]

I would have liked to have Jack and Kaidan become involved with one another. That would definitely be interesting. By a long shot, they're two versions of the same life.

Modifié par Baelrahn, 07 novembre 2013 - 10:21 .

[KaiserShep]

Their personalities seem to contrast pretty heavily. Kaidan strikes me as the sort that wouldn't really like Jack all that much.

[Kataphrut94]

Good lord, I posted here a day ago and the thread has nearly doubled in size! I fear you people may have completely buried my Aigis-skin EDI and camp Cortez ideas.

This may be purely a gameplay thing, but I would have changed Jacob's primary weapon to be assault rifles instead of shotguns. As it stands, he's really just a slightly sturdier but generally less useful version of Jack. The AR would give him a bit of much needed versatility.

Modifié par Kataphrut94, 07 novembre 2013 - 11:59 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

KaiserShep wrote...

Their personalities seem to contrast pretty heavily. Kaidan strikes me as the sort that wouldn't really like Jack all that much.

Ditto. I'm not seeing this at all.

[Xilizhra]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

Their personalities seem to contrast pretty heavily. Kaidan strikes me as the sort that wouldn't really like Jack all that much.

Ditto. I'm not seeing this at all.

I will agree here. Jack/Miranda all the way.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Xilizhra wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

Their personalities seem to contrast pretty heavily. Kaidan strikes me as the sort that wouldn't really like Jack all that much.

Ditto. I'm not seeing this at all.

I will agree here. Jack/Miranda all the way.

Nope. Liara/Morinth is awesome. And you can love it. It's Asari everywhere!

[Xilizhra]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

Their personalities seem to contrast pretty heavily. Kaidan strikes me as the sort that wouldn't really like Jack all that much.

Ditto. I'm not seeing this at all.

I will agree here. Jack/Miranda all the way.

Nope. Liara/Morinth is awesome. And you can love it. It's Asari everywhere!

Ah, but my suggestion is the only one that got a nod in Citadel.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Xilizhra wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

Their personalities seem to contrast pretty heavily. Kaidan strikes me as the sort that wouldn't really like Jack all that much.

Ditto. I'm not seeing this at all.

I will agree here. Jack/Miranda all the way.

Nope. Liara/Morinth is awesome. And you can love it. It's Asari everywhere!

Ah, but my suggestion is the only one that got a nod in Citadel.

And all but jokingly as well. It's camp. What did you expect in a DLC that lets you sleep with Javik?

[Made Nightwing]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

Their personalities seem to contrast pretty heavily. Kaidan strikes me as the sort that wouldn't really like Jack all that much.

Ditto. I'm not seeing this at all.

I will agree here. Jack/Miranda all the way.

Nope. Liara/Morinth is awesome. And you can love it. It's Asari everywhere!

Ah, but my suggestion is the only one that got a nod in Citadel.

And all but jokingly as well. It's camp. What did you expect in a DLC that lets you sleep with Javik?

Seconded. The Jack/Miranda thing is only slightly less illogical than the suggestion I once received from a quartermaster to use my firing pin to clean a difficult to reach part of the weapon. They HATE each other (well, Miranda's is more of a cold dislike for someone who refuses to take any personal responsibility for her life), but Jack sees Miranda as an in flesh personification of every bad thing that has ever happened to her, including (but not limited to) torture, rape, prostitution and general violence. And people think that's prime relationship material? Or friendship material? Or indeed anything other than a professional disdain at the best of times?

Ah, but don't get me started on Citadel. So much potential wasted on so much needless camp. My favourite character's last real moments in the series was wasted on a Star Wars reference. And it wasn't even one of the better Star Wars references.

Modifié par Made Nightwing, 07 novembre 2013 - 01:36 .

[Yougotcarved1]

Made Nightwing wrote...
Ah, but don't get me started on Citadel. So much potential wasted on so much needless camp. My favourite character's last real moments in the series was wasted on a Star Wars reference. And it wasn't even one of the better Star Wars references.

What was the Star Wars reference? I forget, its been a while.

[Barquiel]

Made Nightwing wrote...

Seconded. The Jack/Miranda thing is only slightly less illogical than the suggestion I once received from a quartermaster to use my firing pin to clean a difficult to reach part of the weapon. They HATE each other (well, Miranda's is more of a cold dislike for someone who refuses to take any personal responsibility for her life), but Jack sees Miranda as an in flesh personification of every bad thing that has ever happened to her, including (but not limited to) torture, rape, prostitution and general violence. And people think that's prime relationship material? Or friendship material? Or indeed anything other than a professional disdain at the best of times?

Well, people have a habit of shipping people that don't like eachother together (Liara/Javik, Morrigan/Alistair, Jack/Miranda, etc).

[DeinonSlayer]

Kataphrut94 wrote...

Good lord, I posted here a day ago and the thread has nearly doubled in size! I fear you people may have completely buried my Aigis-skin EDI and camp Cortez ideas.

This may be purely a gameplay thing, but I would have changed Jacob's primary weapon to be assault rifles instead of shotguns. As it stands, he's really just a slightly sturdier but generally less useful version of Jack. The AR would give him a bit of much needed versatility.

I for one am glad they didn't go the camp route with Cortez. If they're going to include token LGBT characters, the least they can do is not make them stereotypical.

And yeah, I modded ME2 to give Jacob an assault rifle in place of his pistol, and gave Tali an SMG in place of hers.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 07 novembre 2013 - 02:18 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Kataphrut94 wrote...

Good lord, I posted here a day ago and the thread has nearly doubled in size! I fear you people may have completely buried my Aigis-skin EDI and camp Cortez ideas.

This may be purely a gameplay thing, but I would have changed Jacob's primary weapon to be assault rifles instead of shotguns. As it stands, he's really just a slightly sturdier but generally less useful version of Jack. The AR would give him a bit of much needed versatility.

I for one am glad they didn't go the camp route with Cortez. If they're going to include token LGBT characters, the least they can do is not make them stereotypical.

Eh, part of me understands it. I just wish they took a more serious route within the story. Otherwise, I'm not expecting much. Mass Effect is more for the power of the player than anything afterall. I'm not worried about it being grounded in reality. I'm surprised Cortez got the attention he did in there. That said, I'm not that fond of him as I use to be. Not as bad as Traynor, who I find myself starting disliking strongly.

I lol everytime he talks about the alliance techs and the armory.

I just wish they stuck with how they were going with the characters in ME2. And gave more of an RP ability and chance to be more... disassociated.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Barquiel wrote...

Made Nightwing wrote...

Seconded. The Jack/Miranda thing is only slightly less illogical than the suggestion I once received from a quartermaster to use my firing pin to clean a difficult to reach part of the weapon. They HATE each other (well, Miranda's is more of a cold dislike for someone who refuses to take any personal responsibility for her life), but Jack sees Miranda as an in flesh personification of every bad thing that has ever happened to her, including (but not limited to) torture, rape, prostitution and general violence. And people think that's prime relationship material? Or friendship material? Or indeed anything other than a professional disdain at the best of times?

Well, people have a habit of shipping people that don't like eachother together (Liara/Javik, Morrigan/Alistair, Jack/Miranda, etc).

I don't ship characters I don't like. I just kill them. Granted, Liara lives, but back to the archaeologist life for her. 

I do kill characters I like. I have Javik's story ending like Max in the 'Road Warrior'. You don't see him die, but he's last seen in a cloud of dust on Earth before never being seen again. Garrus gets blowed up in a tower. Tali gets mauled by Banshee's (Tali fans love me for that). Jack (even though I don't dislike her, I'm rather apprehensive of her) and her kids get vaporized, Legion, Thane, and Mordin all die obviously, and Ashley... I'm still figuring out what to do with her. I know it's not a good thing when her ideals and character more or less physically cause my gut to wrench. One of the few times where I even figure I need to disassociate myself from the series.

And then NPC's... Space Ballerina is too hilarious to take seriously. I can't hate him. There's too much laughs. Nyreen... I only wish I could be more dismissive of her ideology, though in a more practical manner. Aria... I've never really cared much about her, but she says that Shepard is the most dangerous being she ever met. That earns her points in my book. 

[DeinonSlayer]

It just reminds me of those multiculti types who wanted equal representation of all races in the photos of school textbooks, but wanted the latin representatives to be of the darker-skinned variety so they could be distinguished visually from whites. Getting people to look past differences by exaggerating them, perpetuating stereotypes... it's laughable.

And yeah, Massive, your fic still sounds as creepy as ever. 

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 07 novembre 2013 - 02:36 .

[Dieb]

Haha, this is great. Seriously people, stop it.

"Something something character user clearly worships, something something degrading" - Does that really get to you?

P.S.: About Jack and Kaidan, I'm still seeing it. Kaidan is the protective kind and understands her problems, Jack needs someone to listen to her. Yup, I still see it.

[jtav]

Jack/Miranda is not something I really go for personally, but I get it. They both had abusive childhoods that they handled in very different ways and that passionate hatred is probably the most intense relationship between squaddies in ME2. It's a pairing easy to do, but hard to do well.

Though, if we're slashing Miranda, I prefer Traynor or Liara.

[Zazzerka]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

And yeah, Massive, your fic still sounds as creepy as ever. 

Gotta agree.

My waifu makes it through unscathed, though, so s'all good.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

It just reminds me of those multiculti types who wanted equal representation of all races in the photos of school textbooks, but wanted the latin representatives to be of the darker-skinned variety so they could be distinguished visually from whites. Getting people to look past differences by exaggerating them, perpetuating stereotypes... it's laughable.

I follow the Morgan Freeman approach.

I think Black History month, Native American history month, etc. are ridiculous.

Because Black history, and Native American history, and Asian American history, and what have you, ALL of it is American history. It's one thing to kill racism. But PC, when taken too far, as it often is these days, can be just as damaging. It pretty much breeds the notion that people are different. They're not. People need to get past that. Entirely. Stop focusing on a person because they're black or white or red or yellow. Focus on what they bring to the table, and what they can do for the world as a whole.

To quote Gene Roddenberry when he defended Patrick Stewart from interviewer's who questioned his credibility... based on his baldness:

Interviewer: "Surely they would have cured baldness by the 24th century."

Roddenberry: "In the 24th century, they wouldn't care."

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Xilizhra wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

Their personalities seem to contrast pretty heavily. Kaidan strikes me as the sort that wouldn't really like Jack all that much.

Ditto. I'm not seeing this at all.

I will agree here. Jack/Miranda all the way.

Nope. Liara/Morinth is awesome. And you can love it. It's Asari everywhere!

Ah, but my suggestion is the only one that got a nod in Citadel.

So does Liara/Javik if Shepard does not romance her AFAIK.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 07 novembre 2013 - 02:47 .

[DeinonSlayer]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

It just reminds me of those multiculti types who wanted equal representation of all races in the photos of school textbooks, but wanted the latin representatives to be of the darker-skinned variety so they could be distinguished visually from whites. Getting people to look past differences by exaggerating them, perpetuating stereotypes... it's laughable.

I follow the Morgan Freeman approach.

I think Black History month, Native American history month, etc. are ridiculous.

Because Black history, and Native American history, and Asian American history, and what have you, ALL of it is American history. It's one thing to kill racism. But PC, when taken too far, as it often is these days, can be just as damaging. It pretty much breeds the notion that people are different. They're not. People need to get past that. Entirely. Stop focusing on a person because they're black or white or red or yellow. Focus on what they bring to the table, and what they can do for the world as a whole.

To quote Gene Roddenberry when he defended Patrick Stewart from interviewer's who questioned his credibility... based on his baldness:

Interviewer: "Surely they would have cured baldness by the 24th century."

Roddenberry: "In the 24th century, they wouldn't care."

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

AresKeith wrote...

Darth Marr is pretty heroic in SWTOR

Good myn talking about one of the best myn.

[CronoDragoon]

I would not have made Tali so passive in ME3. In the first two games, she is actually pretty aggressive in matters, such as her attitude confronting the Shadow Broker operatives, her attitude towards Cerberus, her attitude towards the admirals at the trial, etc. She may question herself internally but assertiveness wasn't often a problem.

Perhaps this isn't even a comment on all of ME3, but it's a hard characterization to dismiss when her ME3 arc starts with her hemming and hawing about the war but doing it anyway, and potentially ends with allowing Shepard to decide the fate of her race (and more damningly, doing nothing when he decides to end her race).

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Zazzerka wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

And yeah, Massive, your fic still sounds as creepy as ever. 

Gotta agree.

My waifu makes it through unscathed, though, so s'all good.

Vega lives, goes on to be N7, and Shepard recruits him into his group, and unofficial personal liaison and agent with the alliance.

Zaeed semi-retires, and works for Shepard as a source of contacts as well taking jobs that Shepard offers him.

Kasumi does what Kasumi does, while being employed by Shepard to 'test' out new security systems. Lot's of Reaper tech needs to be allocated from other races somehow.

Wrex goes back to Tuchanka, greatful both for what Shepard did to cure the genophage, and wary that Shepard is more than willing to reverse it if he so much as steps out of line once.

Samara goes back to the life of a Justicar. 

Grunt does what Grunt does. Nothing more needs to be said.

Jacob goes on to an advisory and training role as an instructor and testing role in Shepard's organization.

Liara goes back to her work as an archaeologist, having given up on the life of Shadow Broker, ceding her assets to Shepard.

Miranda is of course Shepard's partner in business and lover/spouse/wife/significant other. 

Joker is Shepard's pilot, along with the Normandy as his ship, returned to the Cerberus Standard.

As for pairings:

Vega/Dr. Bryson

Zaeed plays sugar daddy for an Asari maiden. Or human woman, can't decide yet.

Kasumi seriously needs to get over Keiji.

Wrex has Eve.

Samara has the solitary existence, and regular correspondence with her surviving daughter.

Grunt does what Grunt does.

Jacob has Dr. Cole.

Liara... I don't really care about her.

Shepard and Miranda of course.

and Joker gets Kelly Chambers. 

There, it all worked out.

And the galaxy was destabilized enough for Shepard to put his own group on top. Humanity leads with a benevolent hand (we get all the Reaper tech after all) in a Federational Democratic Republic style of government. The races get their own voices for their own matters of course, but there is a liberal collective, based on progressive ideals, and Shepard's own shadow organization is behind it all. The alliance is left in power, but Shepard more or less is the figure behind that power. The beauties of political lobbying I say.

Basically, it's Xil's nightmare.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 07 novembre 2013 - 03:06 .

[DeinonSlayer]

CronoDragoon wrote...

I would not have made Tali so passive in ME3. In the first two games, she is actually pretty aggressive in matters, such as her attitude confronting the Shadow Broker operatives, her attitude towards Cerberus, her attitude towards the admirals at the trial, etc. She may question herself internally but assertiveness wasn't often a problem.

Perhaps this isn't even a comment on all of ME3, but it's a hard characterization to dismiss when her ME3 arc starts with her hemming and hawing about the war but doing it anyway, and potentially ends with allowing Shepard to decide the fate of her race (and more damningly, doing nothing when he decides to end her race).

There's no getting around it, that whole arc was a mess. She's actually far more aggressive in the leaked script, offering to kill Han'Gerrel, attacking Legion if you choose to exterminate her people.