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[jtav]

I'd like to have seen Petrovsky closer to his comics counterpart. In Invasion, he had a good bit of physical courage (engaging in a rather substantive argument with Aria while she had a gun to his head and only cooperating when his men were threatened). There's a smugness and cowardice in the DLC I really don't like.

[rekn2]

loved the renegade interrupts in 2

[wolfhowwl]

I would have the characters fighting in combat be more muscular.

[Caihn]

I would change nothing about Miranda, I like the character the way she is. But I would add a lot more content for her in ME3.

[Clayless]

That Liara picture is amazing.

[enayasoul]

Yannkee wrote...

I would change nothing about Miranda, I like the character the way she is. But I would add a lot more content for her in ME3.

^ definitely this...

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Yannkee wrote...

I would change nothing about Miranda, I like the character the way she is. But I would add a lot more content for her in ME3.

I would change her near-single minded focus from Oriana to the larger picture of the whole war. It's not changing her personality so much as it is changing her goals. I think we agree on this, no?

[KaiserShep]

I don't so much mind the focus on her sister, but rather that the plot with Oriana should have simply been resolved entirely after Miranda's loyalty mission. Hunting down her father and his ties to Cerberus was fine on its own.

[Made Nightwing]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

I would change nothing about Miranda, I like the character the way she is. But I would add a lot more content for her in ME3.

I would change her near-single minded focus from Oriana to the larger picture of the whole war. It's not changing her personality so much as it is changing her goals. I think we agree on this, no?

I think 'I would change their single minded focus' applies to pretty much every squadmate across all three games. I think you can count the people that had more than one major concern in their entire game arc across the trilogy on one hand.

[Probe Away]

I would change Vega's appearance (and the whole 'chin ups in the cargo bay' thing). I actually liked his character and background but the whole fauxhawk-meatbag thing just turned him into a walking stereotype.

[Ieldra]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

I would change nothing about Miranda, I like the character the way she is. But I would add a lot more content for her in ME3.

I would change her near-single minded focus from Oriana to the larger picture of the whole war. It's not changing her personality so much as it is changing her goals. I think we agree on this, no?

Yep. And give closure to her Cerberus arc. Make her appear on Cronos Station. And make it possible to opt out of the "normal life" theme. And give her a more compelling romance scene in Citadel (the only version I like is the femShep-exclusive one). And make her appear awesome on-screen instead of relegating everything where she's competent to off-screen (the fight with Kai Leng, first and foremost) while showing on-screen where she's weak. And change one line in the CB conversation.  

[MrStoob]

Liara was never really a combatant, she just did what she had to do. Making her a gung-ho combatant takes that away from her character IMHO.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
As for what I'd change.

Let Miranda do something related to opposing Cerberus *onscreen* and because she's opposing Cerberus, not as a side effect of a personal issue. I don't care about Oriana (well, I do, but she's not really a priority in a war to save civilization).The fact that Miranda has enough empathy to love her family shouldn't be treated as salvific or particularly praiseworthy.

And lose death by breakup.

This, too.

[Ieldra]

StreetMagic wrote...

eyezonlyii wrote...

Jack would only be teaching at Grissom if she was paragone friendshipped/romanced, otherwise she would have been there just as Cerberus shows up in order to take them out as well.

I think they were betting on that. Otherwise, she's expendable and fodder for the Suicide Mission. Weekes (her own writer) literally wrote her as someone to be loathed. link "The simpler explanation is that I personally utterly loathe her character. She presses a number of buttons I don't like in real-life people, and she's written well enough that she comes off like a real-life person -- a real-life person I detest. Other people respond to her extremely favorably. .. And... well, not to get spoilery on you, but if this were ME1, I'd be really excited when it came time to leave someone to guard the nuke on Virmire. We're on a suicide mission. Some people might not make it. Sacrifices have to be made. (cough)"

But then, some people want to save everyone, without any motivation or friendship. It's more about their need to have perfect playthroughs, just for the sake of it. I think that's their fault though.

Before ME3, I had ME2 playthroughs with a variety of SM outcomes. After ME3 came out, I was just too sick of the doom and gloom and all subsequent ME2 playthroughs had everyone alive.

[KaiserShep]

SM deaths aren't handled particularly well anyway, which is why I've only done an "imperfect" playthrough once. Maybe I'm just being a stickler for details, but characters that die in the Collector base should not have coffins on the Normandy, unless the ship has beaming technology that they save for special occasions. Heck and there's also a case where there would be no body to bury, like either Kasumi or another squad member getting vaporized if you don't upgrade the shields.

[Han Shot First]

MrStoob wrote...

Liara was never really a combatant, she just did what she had to do. Making her a gung-ho combatant takes that away from her character IMHO.

I agree for the most part, though I think she should have had some prior military service in her background.

[David7204]

Han Shot First wrote...

MrStoob wrote...

Liara was never really a combatant, she just did what she had to do. Making her a gung-ho combatant takes that away from her character IMHO.

I agree for the most part, though I think she should have had some prior military service in her background.

Yuck. No.

The way to go is the opposite direction. Remove that line she has about defending herself with biotics in ME 1.

[Xilizhra]

Ieldra2 wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

I would change nothing about Miranda, I like the character the way she is. But I would add a lot more content for her in ME3.

I would change her near-single minded focus from Oriana to the larger picture of the whole war. It's not changing her personality so much as it is changing her goals. I think we agree on this, no?

Yep. And give closure to her Cerberus arc. Make her appear on Cronos Station. And make it possible to opt out of the "normal life" theme. And give her a more compelling romance scene in Citadel (the only version I like is the femShep-exclusive one). And make her appear awesome on-screen instead of relegating everything where she's competent to off-screen (the fight with Kai Leng, first and foremost) while showing on-screen where she's weak. And change one line in the CB conversation.  

Some of this seems less like improving and more like trying to wedge your preferred character more tightly into a single paradigm that Miranda doesn't quite fit. She's not completely about Cerberus and genetic enhancements; there are things she finds genuinely more important than that.

I can see her appearing on Cronos Station, yes... but not as a squadmate when none of the other ME2 squadmates do so. Additionally, both EDI and Shepard's LI have nice moments in that stage, and I'd rather not take that away to force Miranda into appearing.

Yuck. No.

The way to go is the opposite direction. Remove that line she has about defending herself with biotics in ME 1.

Wait, what? Why? How does that help at all?

Modifié par Xilizhra, 08 novembre 2013 - 01:29 .

[Han Shot First]

Remove that line and she no longer makes any sense as a squadmate. It is a military mission after all.

[David7204]

She makes perfect sense.

First of all, nobody's born with combat skills. It's something everyone's a novice at sometime.

Secondly, and more importantly, she has something far rarer and more valuable. Courage. How many people with no experience would drop their old lives to go on such an adventure? Face such danger? Few. Immensely few. Pretty much anyone in good physical shape and decent intelligence can be made in a soldier, yes? But courage and dedication like that...one in a million. The skills and experience will take care of themselves. They always do.

Hmm. That would be a pretty good dialogue with Ashley. She asks Shepard why Liara is on the team, and that's the charm response, more or less.

Modifié par David7204, 08 novembre 2013 - 01:34 .

[Xilizhra]

David7204 wrote...

She makes perfect sense.

First of all, nobody's born with combat skills. It's something everyone's a novice at sometime.

Secondly, and more importantly, she has something far rarer and more valuable. Courage. How many with no experience people would drop their old lives to go on such an adventure? Face such danger? Few. Immensely few. Pretty much anyone in good physical shape and decent intelligence can be made in a soldier, yes? But courage and dedication like that...one in a million. The skills and experience will take care of themselves. They always do.

Hmm. That would be a pretty good dialogue with Ashley. She asks Shepard why Liara is on the team, and that's the charm response, more or less.

While true-ish, if she wasn't a combatant at all, she'd find some role in the mission that didn't involve combat. Trying to become a combatant on Shepard's level from scratch instead of staying aboard ship and helping Shepard with scientist-y things would make no sense.

[David7204]

Why would it make no sense?

[Han Shot First]

Courage isn't enough to participate in a military mission. The realities of modern warfare are far too complex. Its no longer as simple as thrusting a musket in someone's hand and giving them an 'off you go lad.' Presumably it would be even more complex in the era Mass Effect is set in. No amount of courage would make Liara capable of filling in on an infantry fire team with any degree of competency. Simply put, there is no substitute for training.

I'm able to suspend disbelief with her inclusion, but I do wish the devs had leaned a little more towards hard Sci Fi than fantasy with her inclusion, and justified it with some prior military service.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 08 novembre 2013 - 01:41 .

[Xilizhra]

Why would it make no sense?

See Han's post, really. There's also the fact that... I know you mentioned Shepard training her or something, but that couldn't even be done unless Shepard was a biotic, and she'd probably need to be an adept even then.

[David7204]

That's not the point. No, it doesn't immediately turn someone competent. But yes, it does justify putting the time in to build that competence and experience.