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[Made Nightwing]

@Yougotcarved1. I like this human, he understands. Muscle memory is the biggest one. 300 perfect repetitions, not 300 reps, 300 perfect. Each time, every time. Can't be taught, must be learned.

[Steelcan]

Xil, stop comparing the rules of a video game universe and applying it to real life military training.

[Br3admax]

Zazzerka wrote...

I wonder if Liara knows how to quick scope?

Of course she does, m8; asari are perfect in every single way. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

jtav wrote...

Honestly? I hope BW never touches the military again. I noticed some of the things they got wrong, and I'm a know-nothing civilian.

The military side of me is annoyed, but at the same time, I'm not too concerned about it. It's an Action RPG science fiction space fantasy. It's more akin to Star Wars than more realistically and military oriented universes like Halo, or works by Robert Heinlen.

By my definition of Shepard, he's pretty much superceded everything. There are grievences I have with how a lot of stuff works, but otherwise, I follow what Cerberus does. He's the Commander. Simple as that, doesn't matter who or what for, except the galaxy.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 08 novembre 2013 - 02:19 .

[Xilizhra]

Every asari does not go through it. Even if Liara did, every asari does not.

Well, I guess it might be possible for some to drop out? Though think Liara uses the words "every asari."

I wonder if Liara knows how to quick scope?

Given a lack of gun skills in ME1, possibly not.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Every asari does not go through it. Even if Liara did, every asari does not.

Well, I guess it might be possible for some to drop out? Though think Liara uses the words "every asari."

Somehow I doubt that every asari learns how to disembowel people with their brains.  They probably learn practical skills for biotics and barest self defense if any.

[Br3admax]

Codex that is even in ME3>Off-handed comment at Grissom

Modifié par Br3ad, 08 novembre 2013 - 02:24 .

[Xilizhra]

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Every asari does not go through it. Even if Liara did, every asari does not.

Well, I guess it might be possible for some to drop out? Though think Liara uses the words "every asari."

Somehow I doubt that every asari learns how to disembowel people with their brains.  They probably learn practical skills for biotics and barest self defense if any.

Asari biotic skill was repeatedly listed in ME3 as the prime reason why asari-held planets were so difficult for the Reapers to take over, so evidently they're taught enough to make a difference.

[Made Nightwing]

@Xil. Actually, the problem with pistols and SMGs is stability. Even with a tiny 9mm, you need good upper body strength to absorb the recoil and keep your sights on the target. On a rifle (and all combat SMGs) you have a stock to tuck into your shoulder and absorb the recoil. It's why the first weapon you learn is a rifle, it's the easiest to shoot as a beginner.

Now, if Liara had been a pistol club enthusiast, that would explain a few things.

[dreamgazer]

jtav wrote...

Honestly? I hope BW never touches the military again. I noticed some of the things they got wrong, and I'm a know-nothing civilian.

Agreed. Something they could largely avoid if they focused on a narrative closer to Firefly/Serenity in the future.

[Made Nightwing]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

jtav wrote...

Honestly? I hope BW never touches the military again. I noticed some of the things they got wrong, and I'm a know-nothing civilian.

The military side of me is annoyed, but at the same time, I'm not too concerned about it. It's an Action RPG science fiction space fantasy. It's more akin to Star Wars than more realistically and military oriented universes like Halo, or works by Robert Heinlen.

By my definition of Shepard, he's pretty much superceded everything. There are grievences I have with how a lot of stuff works, but otherwise, I follow what Cerberus does. He's the Commander. Simple as that, doesn't matter who or what for, except the galaxy.

Heinlein. Excuse me while I go cuddle my copy of Starship Troopers, the book.

Modifié par Made Nightwing, 08 novembre 2013 - 02:25 .

[Xilizhra]

Made Nightwing wrote...

@Xil. Actually, the problem with pistols and SMGs is stability. Even with a tiny 9mm, you need good upper body strength to absorb the recoil and keep your sights on the target. On a rifle (and all combat SMGs) you have a stock to tuck into your shoulder and absorb the recoil. It's why the first weapon you learn is a rifle, it's the easiest to shoot as a beginner.

Now, if Liara had been a pistol club enthusiast, that would explain a few things.

Hm, interesting. Don't ME weapons have far lower recoil, though? And if that's a design issue with pistols nowadays, it strikes me as one of the first things designers would change, with inertial dampers or the like, when they had the technology. Since heavy pistols are used as dedicated armor-piercing weapons in 2 and 3, and with their being carried by many frontline soldiers, I think they may have fixed the stability problem.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Every asari does not go through it. Even if Liara did, every asari does not.

Well, I guess it might be possible for some to drop out? Though think Liara uses the words "every asari."

Somehow I doubt that every asari learns how to disembowel people with their brains.  They probably learn practical skills for biotics and barest self defense if any.

Asari biotic skill was repeatedly listed in ME3 as the prime reason why asari-held planets were so difficult for the Reapers to take over, so evidently they're taught enough to make a difference.

I recall one listing on Thessia, and even then I HIGHLY doubt most asari are combat capable with biotics, seeing as how they are by nature a peaceful society.

It might make them a bit more difficult for a husk to deal with, but its not like these guys are jedi.

[Steelcan]

dreamgazer wrote...

jtav wrote...

Honestly? I hope BW never touches the military again. I noticed some of the things they got wrong, and I'm a know-nothing civilian.

Agreed. Something they could largely avoid if they focused on a narrative closer to Firefly/Serenity in the future.

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[Br3admax]

Xilizhra wrote...

Made Nightwing wrote...

@Xil. Actually, the problem with pistols and SMGs is stability. Even with a tiny 9mm, you need good upper body strength to absorb the recoil and keep your sights on the target. On a rifle (and all combat SMGs) you have a stock to tuck into your shoulder and absorb the recoil. It's why the first weapon you learn is a rifle, it's the easiest to shoot as a beginner.

Now, if Liara had been a pistol club enthusiast, that would explain a few things.

Hm, interesting. Don't ME weapons have far lower recoil, though? And if that's a design issue with pistols nowadays, it strikes me as one of the first things designers would change, with inertial dampers or the like, when they had the technology. Since heavy pistols are used as dedicated armor-piercing weapons in 2 and 3, and with their being carried by many frontline soldiers, I think they may have fixed the stability problem.

No, they don't, and no they haven't. 

[Xilizhra]

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Every asari does not go through it. Even if Liara did, every asari does not.

Well, I guess it might be possible for some to drop out? Though think Liara uses the words "every asari."

Somehow I doubt that every asari learns how to disembowel people with their brains.  They probably learn practical skills for biotics and barest self defense if any.

Asari biotic skill was repeatedly listed in ME3 as the prime reason why asari-held planets were so difficult for the Reapers to take over, so evidently they're taught enough to make a difference.

I recall one listing on Thessia, and even then I HIGHLY doubt most asari are combat capable with biotics, seeing as how they are by nature a peaceful society.

It might make them a bit more difficult for a husk to deal with, but its not like these guys are jedi.

Thessia and a couple of other planets. I think there was one where the Reapers decided that subjugating the populace was simply too tough a prospect for what would be gained by it, so they glassed it from orbit instead. And it's not just husks the Reapers are deploying; there are many cannibals, for instance, which are at least as dangerous as a typical Alliance soldier (and probably up to the higher standard of a Cerberus assault trooper).

[Made Nightwing]

@Xil. Yes, the codex mentions something about that, but you've still got to deal with all that weight dangling off your wrist. So Liara better be doing her pushups if she wants to run around with an SMG at full auto.

Another reason why a carbine would be a better choice for her would be range. With even a new age, recoilless pistol such as in ME, she's only got a range of 100m, max, and that's if she's got a scope on the pistol and is an exceptional marksman. With a carbine, she has a guaranteed 100-300m range, making her more effective if engaged beyond the distance of her biotics.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

As a combat veteran, I'm telling you that David is completely full of it on this matter.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...


Thessia and a couple of other planets. I think there was one where the Reapers decided that subjugating the populace was simply too tough a prospect for what would be gained by it, so they glassed it from orbit instead. And it's not just husks the Reapers are deploying; there are many cannibals, for instance, which are at least as dangerous as a typical Alliance soldier (and probably up to the higher standard of a Cerberus assault trooper).

they are all still mostly mindless quantity over quality.  We see Alliance troops ripping through husks, cannibals, even ravagers on earth.

I see no reason to think that the asari as a whole are really that capable in combat.  Biotics aren't that great really.  They ain't blaster proof.

[Xilizhra]

Made Nightwing wrote...

@Xil. Yes, the codex mentions something about that, but you've still got to deal with all that weight dangling off your wrist. So Liara better be doing her pushups if she wants to run around with an SMG at full auto.

Another reason why a carbine would be a better choice for her would be range. With even a new age, recoilless pistol such as in ME, she's only got a range of 100m, max, and that's if she's got a scope on the pistol and is an exceptional marksman. With a carbine, she has a guaranteed 100-300m range, making her more effective if engaged beyond the distance of her biotics.

"Carbine" doesn't seem to be a gun model that exists in ME. It's either SMG or full-on assault rifle. But everyone holds SMGs wrong in-game anyway, using the pistol animation when they really should be using the stock; if you take away animation stupidity, would that help with stability to a significant degree with SMGs? They do still have stocks.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

I don't apply real life military know-how to Mass Effect. As I said, it's a power fantasy RPG about role-playing, not a military simulation.

[Made Nightwing]

@Xil. I make a more theoretical argument, since I assume that carbine variants of some of the assault rifles must exist out of sight. Currently, the SMGs in game are more what you would call micro-SMGs, like the Uzi and the MP5K. If Liara was using something more like a Personal Defence Weapon like a P90, then yes, I think that would make her a fairly logical squadmate. And if she really did have good training with her biotics, and if she was working on her drills when back on the Normandy, then it's not inconceivable that she could be valuable in combat, particularly if there's a canonical reason for her powers and the strength of them.

[ruggly]

dreamgazer wrote...

jtav wrote...

Honestly? I hope BW never touches the military again. I noticed some of the things they got wrong, and I'm a know-nothing civilian.

Agreed. Something they could largely avoid if they focused on a narrative closer to Firefly/Serenity in the future.

Yes please.

[Xilizhra]

Made Nightwing wrote...

@Xil. I make a more theoretical argument, since I assume that carbine variants of some of the assault rifles must exist out of sight. Currently, the SMGs in game are more what you would call micro-SMGs, like the Uzi and the MP5K. If Liara was using something more like a Personal Defence Weapon like a P90, then yes, I think that would make her a fairly logical squadmate. And if she really did have good training with her biotics, and if she was working on her drills when back on the Normandy, then it's not inconceivable that she could be valuable in combat, particularly if there's a canonical reason for her powers and the strength of them.

Does one of the books mention biotic power levels? Assuming it's not Deception. If one does, I think she might just be naturally on the higher end of that scale. And she can't just sit in a lab all day, so yes, I think it's logical that she'd be drilling along with everyone else.

[Made Nightwing]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

I don't apply real life military know-how to Mass Effect. As I said, it's a power fantasy RPG about role-playing, not a military simulation.

Well, we're not exactly going to get a proper eight man section with Manoeuvre Support providing direct fire support from the flank, but a little internal consistency shouldn't be too much of a problem.