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[Xilizhra]

Made Nightwing wrote...

Yougotcarved1 wrote...

Thanks for that jtav!

Also whose the resident "hero" TVTropes editor?

The inconsistency of someone going from senior NCO to O-4 in just six months. Now, if she'd done OCS in between 1 and 2, was a 1st Lieutenant in 2, then maybe I could accept her being at most a Staff Lieutenant (infantry Captain in real life, can happen in extreme circumstances), but of course Jay and the art department had to bugger it up by giving her what I'd place as the worst character redesign in recent times.

She got a rank bump to operations lieutenant or something in ME2.

As I said, it doesn't quite stick with me, but that's just my opinion.
Some of the changes between 1 and 2 would just be a lot more logical if
they took place at three or four more years, particularly with Wrex
united the krogan.

Acceptable. At least you're not a fountain of hatred.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 08 novembre 2013 - 03:05 .

[David7204]

I've made changes to pages on TV Tropes. If anyone disagrees with them, by all means, you have complete freedom to contest them. If you can successfully argue your case, your edits go up and mine go down the drain.

[Made Nightwing]

@ Xil. Ops Chief, still an NCO rank.

I honestly don't hate any of the characters in this series. Some I think have wasted potential, but I don't hate them for it. I just...like people, and I like fictional characters.

Except Allers. **** Allers.

[Xilizhra]

Made Nightwing wrote...

@ Xil. Ops Chief, still an NCO rank.

I honestly don't hate any of the characters in this series. Some I think have wasted potential, but I don't hate them for it. I just...like people, and I like fictional characters.

Except Allers. **** Allers.

Wait, never mind, what I just said made no sense.

I also don't hate Diana, just her voice acting.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 08 novembre 2013 - 03:09 .

[Made Nightwing]

@Xil. You don't need to make me feel better about it, trust me, I've dealt with it. Wasted potential. So much wasted potential....

[Xilizhra]

Made Nightwing wrote...

@Xil. You don't need to make me feel better about it, trust me, I've dealt with it. Wasted potential. So much wasted potential....

Actually, I'd said something in that post before I edited that made no sense because I forgot the timeline.

Ashley was indeed not all that interesting in ME3. Which is a pity, as I kept her previously because she was more interesting. However, I have no real issue with saving Kaidan because, forgive me, but if you have no romantic attachment to either, prioritizing the biotic superior officer seems more logical.

[David7204]

We seem to have this idea that 'special forces' soldiers are super ultra supreme badasses who dedicate themselves to years for a single mission, and who aren't even considered unless they know hand-to-hand combat as well as James Bond, are masters of electronics and can hack any computer or disarm any bomb, can throw a knife at 20 meters at pinpoint accuracy, and have 50 kills to their name.

And that is really just silly.

Modifié par David7204, 08 novembre 2013 - 03:13 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

David7204 wrote...

I've made changes to pages on TV Tropes. If anyone disagrees with them, by all means, you have complete freedom to contest them. If you can successfully argue your case, your edits go up and mine go down the drain.

David do you have that saved somewhere for quick posting or do you take the effort to type it out each time?

[billy the squid]

David7204 wrote...

I'm not a soldier. I've never been in the military. I can't say with any certainty how much training combat requires.

However, I am a physics student with a pretty solid background in chemistry, math, computer science, and economics. I've seen all the stigmas of how hard such classes supposedly are for years. I've been told by plenty of people that what I do is something they could never handle.

And I can say with certainty that what I've learned so far is nowhere close to as hard to learn as most people seem to think.

With a good teacher, I really have troubling imaging a reasonable smart person taking more than a couple of months to learn what I've gotten to so far. And that's not even with one-on-one training.

Take that for what you will. I don't buy an argument that becoming a competent soldier takes 'years' or anything remotely close to it.

Hahahaha, oh David don't ever change. You're so utterly dense it makes me laugh whenever I stumble across your posts. 

Classes you took in high school don't count as a solid background, nor does whatever fantasy you pull out of your arse have any basis simply because you say so.

[Made Nightwing]

@Xil. I can't justify saving either of them due to romantic entanglement, except the times when I'm not playing a more professional soldier type of Shepard. I always feel that Ashley is more suited to helping lead the salarians into the base, and that Kaidan's tech and biotics are needed to defend the bomb.

Now, when Shepard gets to the decision point, there's a choice to be made: Trust that the forces you've left at the bomb will be sufficient to defend it, then go get the salarians, rescue the greatest number of people possible, and hopefully draw Saren into the fight, or: Acknowledge that destroying the base cannot be chanced, then return to the bomb to ensure it's detonation. Either action can be the logically correct, or common sense one, depending on what your Shepard's priorities are.

[AresKeith]

David7204 wrote...

I've made changes to pages on TV Tropes. If anyone disagrees with them, by all means, you have complete freedom to contest them. If you can successfully argue your case, your edits go up and mine go down the drain.

David editing a page to support his claims, shocking

[wolfhowwl]

David7204 wrote...

We seem to have this idea that 'special forces' soldiers are super ultra supreme badasses who dedicate themselves to years for a single mission, and who aren't even considered unless they know hand-to-hand combat as well as James Bond, are masters of electronics and can hack any computer or disarm any bomb, can throw a knife at 20 meters at pinpoint accuracy, and have 50 kills to their name.

And that is really just silly.

"we"

Who here said anything like that?

[David7204]

AresKeith clumsily and transparently pretending I edit TV tropes pages and use them as evidence when I've only linked to TV tropes on the BSN as an invitation to discuss a topic with less biased moderation. Shocking.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

wolfhowwl wrote...

David7204 wrote...

We seem to have this idea that 'special forces' soldiers are super ultra supreme badasses who dedicate themselves to years for a single mission, and who aren't even considered unless they know hand-to-hand combat as well as James Bond, are masters of electronics and can hack any computer or disarm any bomb, can throw a knife at 20 meters at pinpoint accuracy, and have 50 kills to their name.

And that is really just silly.

"we"

Who here said anything like that?

No one, Davey's condition is just acting up.

[Made Nightwing]

David7204 wrote...

We seem to have this idea that 'special forces' soldiers are super ultra supreme badasses who dedicate themselves to years for a single mission, and who aren't even considered unless they know hand-to-hand combat as well as James Bond, are masters of electronics and can hack any computer or disarm any bomb, can throw a knife at 20 meters at pinpoint accuracy, and have 50 kills to their name.

And that is really just silly.

No, what we have is one combat veteran who has seen some intense action (Massively Effective), and myself, a rifleman (though still an undeployed choco). And what we can tell you about operators is that they are VERY badass, that they dedicate themselves to years of training for EVERY possible mission, and who aren't even considered unless they are competent, confident and completely committed to the basic soldier skills that are the building blocks for the other stuff like knife throwing. For the bomb stuff they get the EOD guys, they're better at it.

You are silly.

[DeinonSlayer]

Made Nightwing wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

He's admitted to it before Xil, we ain't making it up

Whoa...I'm beginning to understand why my Witcher buddies crack up whenever I mention that I'm on the BSN.

Why am I not surprised his reputation precedes him...

And he's STILL arguing that being a spec-ops calibre soldier is something one can casually pick up?!

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 08 novembre 2013 - 03:26 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Made Nightwing wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

He's admitted to it before Xil, we ain't making it up

Whoa...I'm beginning to understand why my Witcher buddies crack up whenever I mention that I'm on the BSN.

Why am I not surprised his reputation precedes him...

David and Xil are my favorites for vastly different reasons.

Well Favorite is too strong a word.

"Favorite forum train wreck spectacles" is more accurate.

Modifié par Grand Admiral Cheesecake, 08 novembre 2013 - 03:25 .

[David7204]

Made Nightwing wrote...

No, what we have is one combat veteran who has seen some intense action (Massively Effective), and myself, a rifleman (though still an undeployed choco). And what we can tell you about operators is that they are VERY badass, that they dedicate themselves to years of training for EVERY possible mission, and who aren't even considered unless they are competent, confident and completely committed to the basic soldier skills that are the building blocks for the other stuff like knife throwing. For the bomb stuff they get the EOD guys, they're better at it.

You are silly.

See, I like how you say your friend has seen 'some intense action.' He tells you some stuff over the internet, and he hasn't just seen 'action,' he's seen 'some intense action.'

'Some intense action,' huh?

See, I'm just wondering to myself the kind of person who would say that. Because it sounds to me like someone who depends on diction like "some intense action" upon hearing something over the internet has a tendency to...inflate himself a teensy bit?

Oh, you know what else? I like how you took my knife throwing comment seriously. It's just like Call of Duty!

Modifié par David7204, 08 novembre 2013 - 03:30 .

[AresKeith]

David7204 wrote...

AresKeith clumsily and transparently pretending I edit TV tropes pages and use them as evidence when I've only linked to TV tropes on the BSN as an invitation to discuss a topic with less biased moderation. Shocking.

So why edit them then

[The Night Mammoth]

David7204 wrote...

Made Nightwing wrote...

No, what we have is one combat veteran who has seen some intense action (Massively Effective), and myself, a rifleman (though still an undeployed choco). And what we can tell you about operators is that they are VERY badass, that they dedicate themselves to years of training for EVERY possible mission, and who aren't even considered unless they are competent, confident and completely committed to the basic soldier skills that are the building blocks for the other stuff like knife throwing. For the bomb stuff they get the EOD guys, they're better at it.

You are silly.

See, I like how you say your friend has seen 'some intense action.' He tells you some stuff over the internet, and he hasn't just seen 'action,' he's seen 'some intense action.'

'Some intense action,' huh?

See, I'm just wondering to myself the kind of person who would say that. Because it sounds to me like someone who depends on diction like "some intense action" has a tendency to...inflate himself a teensy bit?

Oh, you know what else? I like how you took my knife throwing comment seriously. It's just like Call of Duty!

This, friends, is what we call a strawman. 

[Made Nightwing]

@David. I'm not even gonna go there. ME is so far beyond the realm of your existence so as to be beyond comprehension.

I was being facetious with the knife throwing comment. Although I did know this one assault pioneer Sergeant...

But, regardless, special forces is not something you pick up in five minutes. Or ever, in the case of most of the population.

Modifié par Made Nightwing, 08 novembre 2013 - 03:33 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

We seem to have this idea that 'special forces' soldiers are super ultra supreme badasses who dedicate themselves to years for a single mission, and who aren't even considered unless they know hand-to-hand combat as well as James Bond, are masters of electronics and can hack any computer or disarm any bomb, can throw a knife at 20 meters at pinpoint accuracy, and have 50 kills to their name.

And that is really just silly.

I know many of our nation's elite warriors. I've briefed them, I've worked with them on post, and I've even had the incredible pleasure of training with them on occasion. 

On point number one: Yes, they are super ultra supreme badasses who do dedicate themselves to years in their training. ALL of them train for years before they ever begin their first mission. Every. Single. One of them. 

My skills alone, as a non-combat specialty support branch, have taken years of schooling, training, and experience to develop. I am not primarily a combat soldier. I am a Military Intelligence Officer. This training alone took up 4 years of development and skill building foundation.

As for combatives, I'm proficient in Skill Level 3 for the U.S. Army Combative Program, trained at the Larsen Army Combatives School in Ft. Benning, Georgia, a facility that trains and maintains Special Operations and Special Forces Personnel all over the world. Skill Level 3 works as a 160-hour, four-week course that builds on the skills taught in the previous two skill levels. It is designed to take the skills that have been until now been stand alone, and integrate them into unit-level training. The only higher level is for Master Instructors. All candidates for the U.S. Army Rangers must be proficient in at least the 2nd Skill Level. 

But more on the point, you are the only person who has said anything about skill level in combatives here. I assure you, you are completely and unconditionally incorrect. 

As for your last points, no one made these but you. It's classic David, making points up and claiming other people made them, then attacking them. It's a strawman argument, and completely incorrect.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 08 novembre 2013 - 03:34 .

[DeinonSlayer]

Of course David wouldn't know ANYTHING about inflating himself...

[Xilizhra]

Made Nightwing wrote...

@Xil. I can't justify saving either of them due to romantic entanglement, except the times when I'm not playing a more professional soldier type of Shepard. I always feel that Ashley is more suited to helping lead the salarians into the base, and that Kaidan's tech and biotics are needed to defend the bomb.

Now, when Shepard gets to the decision point, there's a choice to be made: Trust that the forces you've left at the bomb will be sufficient to defend it, then go get the salarians, rescue the greatest number of people possible, and hopefully draw Saren into the fight, or: Acknowledge that destroying the base cannot be chanced, then return to the bomb to ensure it's detonation. Either action can be the logically correct, or common sense one, depending on what your Shepard's priorities are.

Strangely, you can still rescue the salarians if you go for the bomb. At least Kirrahe's team. I think the ones at the AA tower get killed no matter what you do.

Whoa...I'm beginning to understand why my Witcher buddies crack up whenever I mention that I'm on the BSN.

It must be said that judging people based on what forums they go to is a bit assholish.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 08 novembre 2013 - 03:36 .

[Made Nightwing]

@MassivelyEffective0730-I once did not believe you when you told me about David. Please forgive me.