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[David7204]

You notice that Garrus tells Shepard she's his only friend in ME 2? That Liara tells Shepard she hasn't got enough friends left to lose one in ME 2? That Shepard herself is alone, with no friends, at the start of ME 1?

Coincidence?

No. Inevitability.

[Xilizhra]

David7204 wrote...

All of those people have experience with combat and whatnot. Liara doesn't. Anyway, you're right, none of them qualify, aside from possibly Jack in ME 3.

So, someone needs either combat experience or a heroic mindset? Although Liara does have combat experience, albeit mentioned only in passing.

[David7204]

That sounds about right, yeah.

[Sir DeLoria]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

It's the virgin thing. It's doubled up with Tali. Teen age boys must have their virgins. They must be the first.

Come on, the woman is 106 years old. She's been through university. She's got a PhD. She's never done a sexual meld? In ME1 she's an emotional brick except for one scene before she blows away her mother. After that she's perfectly fine. Wow. Mom's laying there, of course she just tried to kill her, but still she knew her mom was being controlled, and her mom had broken through the control, and she's fine about it like nothing happened. No wait. Mom's corpse disintegrated, and is thus forgotten. And Ashley who is the most insulting is the only one who acknowledges that Liara must really be hurting. Yet, "I'm fine, Shepard."

Of course the characters for the most part are horribly written in ME1 anyway, IMO, except for Ashley who got butchered in the rest of the series I suppose to make up for it.

I wish BW would write deeper characters.

Agreed. Though I do think people focus too much on this issue. For me personally, Tali's virginity was the most unimportant aspect of her character and it certainly didn't change her appeal in any way.

[AresKeith]

David7204 wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

It's the virgin thing. It's doubled up with Tali. Teen age boys must have their virgins. They must be the first.

Come on, the woman is 106 years old. She's been through university. She's got a PhD. She's never done a sexual meld?

I wish BW would write deeper characters.

Heroes are lonely. They're unsuccessful in romance. They're unpopular. That is, at least in the normal world.

It makes perfect sense. It's the path they walk.

lol no

[David7204]

Yep.

It's as inevitable as 2 and 2 equaling 4. In a proper work of heroism, the hero begins as lonely.

[dreamgazer]

David7204 wrote...

Heroes are lonely. They're unsuccessful in romance. They're unpopular. That is, at least in the normal world.

[AresKeith]

StreetMagic wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

David7204 wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

It's the virgin thing. It's doubled up with Tali. Teen age boys must have their virgins. They must be the first.

Come on, the woman is 106 years old. She's been through university. She's got a PhD. She's never done a sexual meld?

I wish BW would write deeper characters.

Heroes are lonely. They're unsuccessful in romance. They're unpopular. That is, at least in the normal world.

It makes perfect sense. It's the path they walk.

lol no

I think he's limiting "heroism" to Sir Galahad the Chaste and Peter Parker.

That's his first problem

[David7204]

I go can through the reasoning, if you would like. Why such a path exists. It's several steps, but not that complicated.

The mere fact that it's Superman kissing the bride and not Clark Kent supports me.

Modifié par David7204, 05 novembre 2013 - 11:42 .

[dreamgazer]

David7204 wrote...

The mere fact that it's Superman kissing the bride and not Clark Kent supports me.

Can't wait to hear your reasoning why.

[David7204]

Because it's his world. Not the normal world. Heroes are lonely in the normal world. At the start of the story. It's when they enter their own worlds they find friends and romance.

[Sir DeLoria]

David7204 wrote...

Yep.

It's as inevitable as 2 and 2 equaling 4. In a proper work of heroism, the hero begins as lonely.

I assume Jason, Ulysses and Aeneas aren't proper heroes then.

[David7204]

There are always variations. And there are always writers who mess up. It doesn't matter. The important fact is that this path exists, and exists for a reason. A very strong reason. It's not at all 'contrived' for heroes to have no friends and no success in romance initially.

[Sir DeLoria]

David7204 wrote...

There are always variations. And there are always writers who mess up. It doesn't matter. The important fact is that this path exists, and exists for a reason. A very strong reason. It's not at all 'contrived' for heroes to have no friends and no success in romance initially.

So you're saying Homer screwed up for not following your path?

[Mr.House]

David7204 wrote...

Because it's his world. Not the normal world. Heroes are lonely in the normal world. At the start of the story. It's when they enter their own worlds they find friends and romance.

*sigh*

[eyezonlyii]

What about Odysseus? He was married before he went to war, and I'm pretty sure he was a high ranking hero/king beforehand as well.

EDIT: well damn...always late to the party...

Modifié par eyezonlyii, 05 novembre 2013 - 11:55 .

[David7204]

Not my path.

I would say storytellers have the freedom to tell whatever stories they wish, and can choose to move away from that premise and still tell a very good story. But the premise still exists.

[dreamgazer]

Experience more fiction, David.

[David7204]

StreetMagic wrote...

David7204 wrote...

There are always variations. And there are always writers who mess up. It doesn't matter. The important fact is that this path exists, and exists for a reason. A very strong reason. It's not at all 'contrived' for heroes to have no friends and no success in romance initially.

Like there's some objective force or party dictating "hero" formulas to all of us.

There is, actually. Of sorts.

Allow me to explain in the following post.

[spirosz]

David7204 wrote...

There are always variations. And there are always writers who mess up. It doesn't matter. The important fact is that this path exists, and exists for a reason. A very strong reason. It's not at all 'contrived' for heroes to have no friends and no success in romance initially.

It exists for a reason yes, so do other different variatations that define what makes a hero.  It happens that this one suits you or you find it the "best",  but that doesn't make it the best.