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[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...


I have a feeling the writers forgot about the mass relay shutdown effect, because some of Javik's lines, like the ones about sacrificing specific planets so others could survive, would make no sense in an environment without mass relays and their comm buoys.

Itd just take longer to get between systems, javik couldn't have been galivant around the galaxy like Shepard hough

[Steelcan]

Here it is

[Xilizhra]

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...


I have a feeling the writers forgot about the mass relay shutdown effect, because some of Javik's lines, like the ones about sacrificing specific planets so others could survive, would make no sense in an environment without mass relays and their comm buoys.

Itd just take longer to get between systems, javik couldn't have been galivant around the galaxy like Shepard hough

You also couldn't talk to other systems except by courier ship.

I think that it's either A. a retcon, B. Vigil's memories being scrambled, or C. Javik having a badly garbled viewpoint of all Prothean activity before his time.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Steelcan wrote...

Here it is

Every time I think Javik can't possibly get any more god tier...

[rekn2]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

rekn2 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

rekn2 wrote...

thats not authority fallacy....are you honestly calling out every teacher youve ever had?

Every teacher that ever tried to claim they were correct because they were a teacher. Which would be the correct thing to do, because being a teacher doesn't make you always correct by default. Teachers tend to know more than students because they have higher levels of education and are generally more familiar with the subject matter, not because they are a teacher and all else follows.

some one was opening their mouth about things they dont have a clue about...some one with a clue came in and corrected them;.

Indeed, and I haven't claimed differently- it's just that the correction comes from the facts brought to bear, and not the personal identity of the one presenting those facts.

check the context. are you suggesting he go into detail here? why and for what purpose? theres a bar set and until you can get over that bar you wont wear that badge. wearing that badge is proof that they know what their talking about, if massively didnt have a clue he would not wear that badge.

SF is not "once i pass training im in for life" there is no SF tenure. you badge/trident or barret are up for grabs EVERY DAY! he could loose that at ANY TIME.

Guys, I'm not SF or Special Operations. Let's not overplay my qualifications.

I'm Airborne qualified, and Air Assault qualified, but I'm not Mr. High-Speed Low-Drag Airborne Ranger. I'm not a Sniper. I'm not qualified for any tab on my left shoulder. I'm not even in a Combat Branch or MOS. I'm a Combat Support Officer (MI) with 1 Deployment for OEF as an Enlisted Collector and Analyst. I have a lot of pride for what I do, but I'm not going to say I'm Mr. Gung-Ho Full Hooah.

his teacher analogy is still incorrect. teachers have more say in what they get to teach. less consequences if their wrong and have a social/industrial safety net like tenure.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...


I have a feeling the writers forgot about the mass relay shutdown effect, because some of Javik's lines, like the ones about sacrificing specific planets so others could survive, would make no sense in an environment without mass relays and their comm buoys.

Itd just take longer to get between systems, javik couldn't have been galivant around the galaxy like Shepard hough

You also couldn't talk to other systems except by courier ship.

I think that it's either A. a retcon, B. Vigil's memories being scrambled, or C. Javik having a badly garbled viewpoint of all Prothean activity before his time.

given ME3's complete disregard for prior canon I'm going with A

[MassivelyEffective0730]

rekn2 wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

rekn2 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

rekn2 wrote...

thats not authority fallacy....are you honestly calling out every teacher youve ever had?

Every teacher that ever tried to claim they were correct because they were a teacher. Which would be the correct thing to do, because being a teacher doesn't make you always correct by default. Teachers tend to know more than students because they have higher levels of education and are generally more familiar with the subject matter, not because they are a teacher and all else follows.

some one was opening their mouth about things they dont have a clue about...some one with a clue came in and corrected them;.

Indeed, and I haven't claimed differently- it's just that the correction comes from the facts brought to bear, and not the personal identity of the one presenting those facts.

check the context. are you suggesting he go into detail here? why and for what purpose? theres a bar set and until you can get over that bar you wont wear that badge. wearing that badge is proof that they know what their talking about, if massively didnt have a clue he would not wear that badge.

SF is not "once i pass training im in for life" there is no SF tenure. you badge/trident or barret are up for grabs EVERY DAY! he could loose that at ANY TIME.

Guys, I'm not SF or Special Operations. Let's not overplay my qualifications.

I'm Airborne qualified, and Air Assault qualified, but I'm not Mr. High-Speed Low-Drag Airborne Ranger. I'm not a Sniper. I'm not qualified for any tab on my left shoulder. I'm not even in a Combat Branch or MOS. I'm a Combat Support Officer (MI) with 1 Deployment for OEF as an Enlisted Collector and Analyst. I have a lot of pride for what I do, but I'm not going to say I'm Mr. Gung-Ho Full Hooah.

his teacher analogy is still incorrect. teachers have more say in what they get to teach. less consequences if their wrong and have a social/industrial safety net like tenure.

True. I'm not making any kind of authoritive fallacy when I say that training for combat takes a lot more than a few weeks or months as David is implying, especially about SF. 

[Steelcan]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Here it is

Every time I think Javik can't possibly get any more god tier...

The protheans knew exactly what the asari were good for

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Steelcan wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Here it is

Every time I think Javik can't possibly get any more god tier...

The protheans knew exactly what the asari were good for

Good myns every one.

[Yougotcarved1]

Steelcan wrote...

Here it is

Oh wow lol, thanks for finding that! Dunno if it implies slavery but yeah very interesting piece of dialogue

[Xilizhra]

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...


I have a feeling the writers forgot about the mass relay shutdown effect, because some of Javik's lines, like the ones about sacrificing specific planets so others could survive, would make no sense in an environment without mass relays and their comm buoys.

Itd just take longer to get between systems, javik couldn't have been galivant around the galaxy like Shepard hough

You also couldn't talk to other systems except by courier ship.

I think that it's either A. a retcon, B. Vigil's memories being scrambled, or C. Javik having a badly garbled viewpoint of all Prothean activity before his time.

given ME3's complete disregard for prior canon I'm going with A

So with that, we can conclude that the mass relays were not shut down. Hence, the probable cause for their swift defeat leading to a long mopping-up was the extremely top-down nature of their government leading to a long initial paralysis when the Citadel fell, in addition to their total lack of adaptability due to their habit of forcing every species to conform to their own paradigms (this is the one that Javik says outright). Ironically, for a race that worshiped evolution, they completely forgot the most important thing about it: there is no true pinnacle, and adaptability is a very frequent lifesaver.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Here it is

Every time I think Javik can't possibly get any more god tier...

The protheans knew exactly what the asari were good for

Good myns every one.

Mess Sergeant Gardner's Calamari Gumbo?

[Br3admax]

When one side of the pillow gets warm, I don't flip it over. Who's really the most badass?

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...
So with that, we can conclude that the mass relays were not shut down. Hence, the probable cause for their swift defeat leading to a long mopping-up was the extremely top-down nature of their government leading to a long initial paralysis when the Citadel fell, in addition to their total lack of adaptability due to their habit of forcing every species to conform to their own paradigms (this is the one that Javik says outright). Ironically, for a race that worshiped evolution, they completely forgot the most important thing about it: there is no true pinnacle, and adaptability is a very frequent lifesaver.

Or perhaps the Protheans found a way to reactivate some relays ala the Reaper IFF that the Collectors had

[rekn2]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

rekn2 wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

rekn2 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

rekn2 wrote...

thats not authority fallacy....are you honestly calling out every teacher youve ever had?

Every teacher that ever tried to claim they were correct because they were a teacher. Which would be the correct thing to do, because being a teacher doesn't make you always correct by default. Teachers tend to know more than students because they have higher levels of education and are generally more familiar with the subject matter, not because they are a teacher and all else follows.

some one was opening their mouth about things they dont have a clue about...some one with a clue came in and corrected them;.

Indeed, and I haven't claimed differently- it's just that the correction comes from the facts brought to bear, and not the personal identity of the one presenting those facts.

check the context. are you suggesting he go into detail here? why and for what purpose? theres a bar set and until you can get over that bar you wont wear that badge. wearing that badge is proof that they know what their talking about, if massively didnt have a clue he would not wear that badge.

SF is not "once i pass training im in for life" there is no SF tenure. you badge/trident or barret are up for grabs EVERY DAY! he could loose that at ANY TIME.

Guys, I'm not SF or Special Operations. Let's not overplay my qualifications.

I'm Airborne qualified, and Air Assault qualified, but I'm not Mr. High-Speed Low-Drag Airborne Ranger. I'm not a Sniper. I'm not qualified for any tab on my left shoulder. I'm not even in a Combat Branch or MOS. I'm a Combat Support Officer (MI) with 1 Deployment for OEF as an Enlisted Collector and Analyst. I have a lot of pride for what I do, but I'm not going to say I'm Mr. Gung-Ho Full Hooah.

his teacher analogy is still incorrect. teachers have more say in what they get to teach. less consequences if their wrong and have a social/industrial safety net like tenure.

True. I'm not making any kind of authoritive fallacy when I say that training for combat takes a lot more than a few weeks or months as David is implying, especially about SF. 

exactly! and the proof is the uniform...thats the point im trying to make.

[Steelcan]

Yougotcarved1 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Here it is

Oh wow lol, thanks for finding that! Dunno if it implies slavery but yeah very interesting piece of dialogue

Well he did say that they enslaved the primitives

Modifié par Steelcan, 08 novembre 2013 - 05:27 .

[Xilizhra]

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
So with that, we can conclude that the mass relays were not shut down. Hence, the probable cause for their swift defeat leading to a long mopping-up was the extremely top-down nature of their government leading to a long initial paralysis when the Citadel fell, in addition to their total lack of adaptability due to their habit of forcing every species to conform to their own paradigms (this is the one that Javik says outright). Ironically, for a race that worshiped evolution, they completely forgot the most important thing about it: there is no true pinnacle, and adaptability is a very frequent lifesaver.

Or perhaps the Protheans found a way to reactivate some relays ala the Reaper IFF that the Collectors had

That had nothing to do with activating relays, that was a device to not get killed by a trap at the other end of the relay. It wouldn't have been able to create a whole new relay network hub if that's how they worked.

[Barquiel]

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...


I have a feeling the writers forgot about the mass relay shutdown effect, because some of Javik's lines, like the ones about sacrificing specific planets so others could survive, would make no sense in an environment without mass relays and their comm buoys.

Itd just take longer to get between systems, javik couldn't have been galivant around the galaxy like Shepard hough

You also couldn't talk to other systems except by courier ship.

I think that it's either A. a retcon, B. Vigil's memories being scrambled, or C. Javik having a badly garbled viewpoint of all Prothean activity before his time.

given ME3's complete disregard for prior canon I'm going with A

So with that, we can conclude that the mass relays were not shut down. Hence, the probable cause for their swift defeat leading to a long mopping-up was the extremely top-down nature of their government leading to a long initial paralysis when the Citadel fell, in addition to their total lack of adaptability due to their habit of forcing every species to conform to their own paradigms (this is the one that Javik says outright). Ironically, for a race that worshiped evolution, they completely forgot the most important thing about it: there is no true pinnacle, and adaptability is a very frequent lifesaver.

I think "C" is more likely. I don't have the DLC, but it baffles me to no end that the protheans send a soldier...and not a scholar, scientist, historian or any other knowledgable person who knows something about the crucible. Did they really think one soldier would make a difference?

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
So with that, we can conclude that the mass relays were not shut down. Hence, the probable cause for their swift defeat leading to a long mopping-up was the extremely top-down nature of their government leading to a long initial paralysis when the Citadel fell, in addition to their total lack of adaptability due to their habit of forcing every species to conform to their own paradigms (this is the one that Javik says outright). Ironically, for a race that worshiped evolution, they completely forgot the most important thing about it: there is no true pinnacle, and adaptability is a very frequent lifesaver.

Or perhaps the Protheans found a way to reactivate some relays ala the Reaper IFF that the Collectors had

That had nothing to do with activating relays, that was a device to not get killed by a trap at the other end of the relay. It wouldn't have been able to create a whole new relay network hub if that's how they worked.

It caused the relay to behave differently for ships with the IFF according to some dialogue

[Br3admax]

How does that make any sense considering that they in fact did send him. The reason is irrelevant when it's already known. Also, Javik wasn't alone, and as a warrior society, the Protheans would want warriors to continue their race. There were likely scientist as well, Javik was just their leader.

[Steelcan]

Barquiel wrote...

I think "C" is more likely. I don't have the DLC, but it baffles me to no end that the protheans send a soldier...and not a scholar, scientist, historian or any other knowledgable person who knows something about the crucible. Did they really think one soldier would make a difference?

ummm what are you talking about?

Javik was supposed to found a new Prothean Empire with a million followers, a military commander seems the right call.

[Xilizhra]

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
So with that, we can conclude that the mass relays were not shut down. Hence, the probable cause for their swift defeat leading to a long mopping-up was the extremely top-down nature of their government leading to a long initial paralysis when the Citadel fell, in addition to their total lack of adaptability due to their habit of forcing every species to conform to their own paradigms (this is the one that Javik says outright). Ironically, for a race that worshiped evolution, they completely forgot the most important thing about it: there is no true pinnacle, and adaptability is a very frequent lifesaver.

Or perhaps the Protheans found a way to reactivate some relays ala the Reaper IFF that the Collectors had

That had nothing to do with activating relays, that was a device to not get killed by a trap at the other end of the relay. It wouldn't have been able to create a whole new relay network hub if that's how they worked.

It caused the relay to behave differently for ships with the IFF according to some dialogue

Yes... that's what I just said. It still has nothing to do with being able to establish a new central relay hub if the relays really were all controlled by one.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Barquiel wrote...



I think "C" is more likely. I don't have the DLC, but it baffles me to no end that the protheans send a soldier...and not a scholar, scientist, historian or any other knowledgable person who knows something about the crucible. Did they really think one soldier would make a difference?

There were supposed to be enough sleeping Protheans to make a new empire one that would spend thousands of years getting ready for the cuttlefish.

But because of LOLindoctrination that didn't exactly pay off.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
So with that, we can conclude that the mass relays were not shut down. Hence, the probable cause for their swift defeat leading to a long mopping-up was the extremely top-down nature of their government leading to a long initial paralysis when the Citadel fell, in addition to their total lack of adaptability due to their habit of forcing every species to conform to their own paradigms (this is the one that Javik says outright). Ironically, for a race that worshiped evolution, they completely forgot the most important thing about it: there is no true pinnacle, and adaptability is a very frequent lifesaver.

Or perhaps the Protheans found a way to reactivate some relays ala the Reaper IFF that the Collectors had

That had nothing to do with activating relays, that was a device to not get killed by a trap at the other end of the relay. It wouldn't have been able to create a whole new relay network hub if that's how they worked.

It caused the relay to behave differently for ships with the IFF according to some dialogue

Yes... that's what I just said. It still has nothing to do with being able to establish a new central relay hub if the relays really were all controlled by one.

I never said they established a new hub

[Xilizhra]

I never said they established a new hub

And if the relays were all controlled and powered by a central hub, as ME1 posited, they would need a new hub to use the relays at all if that hub had been shut down.