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[AresKeith]

Barquiel wrote...

I think "C" is more likely. I don't have the DLC, but it baffles me to no end that the protheans send a soldier...and not a scholar, scientist, historian or any other knowledgable person who knows something about the crucible. Did they really think one soldier would make a difference?

Shepard 

But seriously though there was suppose to be more Protheans than just Javik

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

I never said they established a new hub

And if the relays were all controlled and powered by a central hub, as ME1 posited, they would need a new hub to use the relays at all if that hub had been shut down.

We don't really know how the relays work without the Citadel.  Its possible they could still do some jumps, especially the ones with a definite start and end

[Xilizhra]

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I never said they established a new hub

And if the relays were all controlled and powered by a central hub, as ME1 posited, they would need a new hub to use the relays at all if that hub had been shut down.

We don't really know how the relays work without the Citadel.  Its possible they could still do some jumps, especially the ones with a definite start and end

We also know that the Reapers didn't give a damn about the Citadel in ME3 until it was time to use it to construct a new Reaper. And the fact that the relays still worked perfectly even when the Reapers had captured the Citadel.

[AresKeith]

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I never said they established a new hub

And if the relays were all controlled and powered by a central hub, as ME1 posited, they would need a new hub to use the relays at all if that hub had been shut down.

We don't really know how the relays work without the Citadel.  Its possible they could still do some jumps, especially the ones with a definite start and end

We also know that the Reapers didn't give a damn about the Citadel in ME3 until it was time to use it to construct a new Reaper. And the fact that the relays still worked perfectly even when the Reapers had captured the Citadel.

What makes you think they shut down the relays after taking the Citadel?

[Xilizhra]

AresKeith wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I never said they established a new hub

And if the relays were all controlled and powered by a central hub, as ME1 posited, they would need a new hub to use the relays at all if that hub had been shut down.

We don't really know how the relays work without the Citadel.  Its possible they could still do some jumps, especially the ones with a definite start and end

We also know that the Reapers didn't give a damn about the Citadel in ME3 until it was time to use it to construct a new Reaper. And the fact that the relays still worked perfectly even when the Reapers had captured the Citadel.

What makes you think they shut down the relays after taking the Citadel?

They didn't. That was my point.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I never said they established a new hub

And if the relays were all controlled and powered by a central hub, as ME1 posited, they would need a new hub to use the relays at all if that hub had been shut down.

We don't really know how the relays work without the Citadel.  Its possible they could still do some jumps, especially the ones with a definite start and end

We also know that the Reapers didn't give a damn about the Citadel in ME3 until it was time to use it to construct a new Reaper. And the fact that the relays still worked perfectly even when the Reapers had captured the Citadel.

I blame that on the stupid writing that plagued ME3.  Vigil is pretty clear that the Reapers shut down the relays in order to divide the galaxy easily.  There's no reason for them no to again.

[Barquiel]

AresKeith wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

I think "C" is more likely. I don't have the DLC, but it baffles me to no end that the protheans send a soldier...and not a scholar, scientist, historian or any other knowledgable person who knows something about the crucible. Did they really think one soldier would make a difference?

Shepard 

But seriously though there was suppose to be more Protheans than just Javik

Without Liara, Shepard would have failed as well

But ok, I stand corrected.

[Xilizhra]

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I never said they established a new hub

And if the relays were all controlled and powered by a central hub, as ME1 posited, they would need a new hub to use the relays at all if that hub had been shut down.

We don't really know how the relays work without the Citadel.  Its possible they could still do some jumps, especially the ones with a definite start and end

We also know that the Reapers didn't give a damn about the Citadel in ME3 until it was time to use it to construct a new Reaper. And the fact that the relays still worked perfectly even when the Reapers had captured the Citadel.

I blame that on the stupid writing that plagued ME3.  Vigil is pretty clear that the Reapers shut down the relays in order to divide the galaxy easily.  There's no reason for them no to again.

Well, with that combined with Javik's memories of a war that would require relays to make sense, I think ME3 retconned ME1.

[Steelcan]

Barquiel wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

I think "C" is more likely. I don't have the DLC, but it baffles me to no end that the protheans send a soldier...and not a scholar, scientist, historian or any other knowledgable person who knows something about the crucible. Did they really think one soldier would make a difference?

Shepard 

But seriously though there was suppose to be more Protheans than just Javik

Without Liara, Shepard would have failed as well

But ok, I stand corrected.

Shepard can always find another prothean "expert";)

[KaiserShep]

Barquiel wrote...
I think "C" is more likely. I don't have the DLC, but it baffles me to no end that the protheans send a soldier...and not a scholar, scientist, historian or any other knowledgable person who knows something about the crucible. Did they really think one soldier would make a difference?

The protheans had scientists go into cryogenic stasis to outlast the reaper harvest on Ilos, and that mission largely succeeded, since it stopped the trap from working.

[Xilizhra]

Steelcan wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

I think "C" is more likely. I don't have the DLC, but it baffles me to no end that the protheans send a soldier...and not a scholar, scientist, historian or any other knowledgable person who knows something about the crucible. Did they really think one soldier would make a difference?

Shepard 

But seriously though there was suppose to be more Protheans than just Javik

Without Liara, Shepard would have failed as well

But ok, I stand corrected.

Shepard can always find another prothean "expert";)

Then why didn't Shepard do so, especially given possible security risks with Benezia's daughter?

You'd have to have an asari expert to analyze the visions anyway, since both beacons are gone and the one who touched it was not an expert.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Steelcan wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

I think "C" is more likely. I don't have the DLC, but it baffles me to no end that the protheans send a soldier...and not a scholar, scientist, historian or any other knowledgable person who knows something about the crucible. Did they really think one soldier would make a difference?

Shepard 

But seriously though there was suppose to be more Protheans than just Javik

Without Liara, Shepard would have failed as well

But ok, I stand corrected.

Shepard can always find another prothean "expert";)

Liara: And they loved poetry and art and all the other things that are awesome!!!!!!!

Javik:....

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...


Or perhaps the Protheans found a way to reactivate some relays ala the Reaper IFF that the Collectors had

It caused the relay to behave differently for ships with the IFF according to some dialogue

Yes... that's what I just said. It still has nothing to do with being able to establish a new central relay hub if the relays really were all controlled by one.

I never said they established a new hub

Right. It allowed reapers to pass through relays that were locked out by the reapers. So if the Protheans had a reaper IFF their ship would have been able to pass through the relay unharmed, like the Normandy did the Omega 4 relay. I'm guessing that without the proper IFF the ship would be destroyed when it emerged at destination.

I'm also guessing that Bioware retconned the Vigil conversation. It seems like Vigil had a lot of incorrect information.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 08 novembre 2013 - 05:48 .

[Xilizhra]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

I think "C" is more likely. I don't have the DLC, but it baffles me to no end that the protheans send a soldier...and not a scholar, scientist, historian or any other knowledgable person who knows something about the crucible. Did they really think one soldier would make a difference?

Shepard 

But seriously though there was suppose to be more Protheans than just Javik

Without Liara, Shepard would have failed as well

But ok, I stand corrected.

Shepard can always find another prothean "expert";)

Liara: And they loved poetry and art and all the other things that are awesome!!!!!!!

Javik:....

First, those aren't mutually contradictory. Second, the records are obfuscated by the fact that the Protheans called everyone they conquered Protheans as well, so she could have seen records of literally any species in the empire and thought it all referred to the same one.

[Steelcan]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

I think "C" is more likely. I don't have the DLC, but it baffles me to no end that the protheans send a soldier...and not a scholar, scientist, historian or any other knowledgable person who knows something about the crucible. Did they really think one soldier would make a difference?

Shepard 

But seriously though there was suppose to be more Protheans than just Javik

Without Liara, Shepard would have failed as well

But ok, I stand corrected.

Shepard can always find another prothean "expert";)

Liara: And they loved poetry and art and all the other things that are awesome!!!!!!!

Javik:....

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

I think "C" is more likely. I don't have the DLC, but it baffles me to no end that the protheans send a soldier...and not a scholar, scientist, historian or any other knowledgable person who knows something about the crucible. Did they really think one soldier would make a difference?

Shepard 

But seriously though there was suppose to be more Protheans than just Javik

Without Liara, Shepard would have failed as well

But ok, I stand corrected.

Shepard can always find another prothean "expert";)

Liara: And they loved poetry and art and all the other things that are awesome!!!!!!!

Javik:....

First, those aren't mutually contradictory. Second, the records are obfuscated by the fact that the Protheans called everyone they conquered Protheans as well, so she could have seen records of literally any species in the empire and thought it all referred to the same one.

If a Roman archaeologist thought that the romans were benevolent overlords who ruled with cooperation and advanced other civilizations because they wanted to help them they need a career change

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

I think "C" is more likely. I don't have the DLC, but it baffles me to no end that the protheans send a soldier...and not a scholar, scientist, historian or any other knowledgable person who knows something about the crucible. Did they really think one soldier would make a difference?

Shepard 

But seriously though there was suppose to be more Protheans than just Javik

Without Liara, Shepard would have failed as well

But ok, I stand corrected.

Shepard can always find another prothean "expert";)

Then why didn't Shepard do so, especially given possible security risks with Benezia's daughter?

You'd have to have an asari expert to analyze the visions anyway, since both beacons are gone and the one who touched it was not an expert.

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[sH0tgUn jUliA]

So Javik said they enslaved the primitive races but that they dated Asari. Hmmm... Sounds like they thought the Asari were better than the rest. He did take a sudden interest in writing that book with Liara. And then Shepard croaks in the end. So I'm guessing Liara and Javik are spending a lot of time together after the war.

[Xilizhra]

If a Roman archaeologist thought that the romans were benevolent overlords who ruled with cooperation and advanced other civilizations because they wanted to help them they need a career change

Well, there's the small issue of their never being any indication that Liara's theories about how their society worked were a minority. The only thing people didn't take her seriously on was the theory about the Reapers, which turned out to be right. The entire established canon about Prothean society was wrong, not just Liara.

So Javik said they enslaved the primitive races but that they dated Asari. Hmmm... Sounds like they thought the Asari were better than the rest. He did take a sudden interest in writing that book with Liara. And then Shepard croaks in the end. So I'm guessing Liara and Javik are spending a lot of time together after the war.

Don't worry, Shepard can come back.

[GreyLycanTrope]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

This thread is getting silly.

*flies away*

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=26452.0;attach=324436;image

[Iakus]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

I'm also guessing that Bioware retconned the Vigil conversation. It seems like Vigil had a lot of incorrect information.

Bioware retconned a lot of stuff.

[Dean_the_Young]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...If OPSEC were the concern, I'd (privately) call you out for OPSEC- it's not like you're claiming to be military intelligence and posting your picture across the internet or anything.

That in itself is of course not a violation. No names, ranks, dates, or sensitive information of anytime has been revealed. I can say I'm MI. That's not a problem. And my images hold none of the above, so there's nothing wrong with them.

Unless you didn't screen your image for metadata, or already admitted that your image is already put in open-source media that anyone can search and do comparison photos. Especially in a military publication or , in which unit information and even names are routine.

Openly announcing an intelligence occupation, on the other hand, is never a wise idea on the internet, where anyone can be listening and anyone could approach you, openly or not, for collection.

I mean, just from this thread alone I can identify gender, ethnicity, hair color, relative age, rank, occupation(s), training history, deployment history, a year range of possible deployment based off your uniform and unit patch, and other identifiers such as vision issues and quite an extensive travel history. I have photos of you that I can run through comparison software off of google and open source media (which you have helpfully narrowed), and I know where you lurk on the internet, and what times you get on and off on a daily basis.

How many many soldiers of the 173rd ABN now serving as 1LTs in College ROTC do you think meet all those criteria, and how hard do you really think it would be for a well connected group to dig even further?

That would be a stupid security violation. I'm challenging you on how you're conducting yourself, which amounted to a 'hey here's proof I'm better than you'll ever be, neenerneener.'

I never said 'hey, I'll be better than you'll ever be.' My point was actually more to defend myself than boast. As he says, he's a science major. That's a separate field from Military Leadership. They're rather incomparable in most aspects.

LT, you were boasting. You weren't in a context in which you needed to defend yourself, and posting hoorah images that we only have your word on that they are you isn't a necessary part of any professional rhetorical defense.

Your credibility wasn't insulted, and even if it was your service history is irrelevant. You were executing an argument from authority fallacy, and boorishly at that.

An argument from authority fallacy to a guy claiming the military doesn't work in the way that it works (As we both know) from people who are authorities on the military (having both served, and with myself holding a position of authority in the military (note, I'm not using this browbeat you or anyone. I'm simply stating that I hold a position some authority as a 1st Lieutenant.)

And if another 1LT, or higher, or lower, tells you you're doing it wrong?

You being an authority in the military doesn't make the argument you present any stronger, or any weaker. There are civilians outside the military who understand your field every bit as well as you, and there are soldiers who talk as if they are experts of fields they aren't specialized in... like SF.

Your point that being special forces isn't a trivial matter is sound. Every argument that you know better because you are an officer, is not.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 08 novembre 2013 - 06:00 .

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

If a Roman archaeologist thought that the romans were benevolent overlords who ruled with cooperation and advanced other civilizations because they wanted to help them they need a career change

Well, there's the small issue of their never being any indication that Liara's theories about how their society worked were a minority. The only thing people didn't take her seriously on was the theory about the Reapers, which turned out to be right. The entire established canon about Prothean society was wrong, not just Liara.
.

Congrats then, she was still wrong.  Just because everyone else was wrong doesn't improve her standing. 

[KaiserShep]

What would Shepard do regarding finding another prothean expert anyway? Post fliers on the Citadel?

HELP WANTED

Asari prothean expert needed to serve aboard advanced experimental warship. Must work well with turian, krogan and quarian crew members. Ability to decipher mental imagery essential. Proficiency in biotics a plus. Contact at: C.Shepard@Normandy.sa.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 08 novembre 2013 - 05:59 .

[Xilizhra]

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

If a Roman archaeologist thought that the romans were benevolent overlords who ruled with cooperation and advanced other civilizations because they wanted to help them they need a career change

Well, there's the small issue of their never being any indication that Liara's theories about how their society worked were a minority. The only thing people didn't take her seriously on was the theory about the Reapers, which turned out to be right. The entire established canon about Prothean society was wrong, not just Liara.
.

Congrats then, she was still wrong.  Just because everyone else was wrong doesn't improve her standing. 

It seems more likely that whatever records they had would logically lead one studying them to come to that conclusion, taken without context. And everything would be fragmentary by nature, as all anyone would know of the Protheans are whatever scraps the Reapers didn't obliterate.