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[eyezonlyii]

Barquiel wrote...

By Miranda's own admission she's not generally been involved with the 'military side' of Cerberus. Most of Miranda's leadership involved administering technical and scientific programs (like the Lazarus project), a position for which she is excellently suited. The only squadmembers of the Normandy (in ME2) I would consider Miranda clearly superior to in terms of combat training would be Tali, Jack, Kasumi and maybe Mordin. But "realistically", I would never choose her over characters like Samara, Zaeed or Garrus.

I know we don't speak of him around here, but in this instance, I have to say Jacob is more trained in direct combat as well. 

As far as Miranda's combat goes, she's the human version of the STG. Capable of holding the line when necessary, but definitely more suited to quick infiltration, minimal combat, and sabotage.

[KaiserShep]

TheMyron wrote...

If only Shepard was able to at least try to help Vasir once he caught up with her and/or once she was defeated. I hate how Shepard just sits there and talks with her. As she is trying to flee, beg her to stop and accept his help, he has medi-gel after all.

That'd be some pretty cringe-worthy dialogue if you ask me. I guess having the option would be OK, but I'd like it to be paired with a renegade interrupt to put her out of her misery. 

[teh DRUMPf!!]

On-topic, the "What choice would squadmates take?" thread made me think of something. The VS spent nearly three years at least partly (if not completely) on active-duty and firmly *out* of Commander Shepard's shadow, but we see no maturity out of either one of them as characters come ME3, despite being promoted several times over. This open time-frame presented a perfect opportunity for the VS to do some important and interesting work on their own and develop as their own characters, but as is, they may as well have spent that time locked away in a closet.

In-game, you have Kaidan asking you questions like, "What do you do if you have to sacrifice a few to save many?" You're a Major, Kaidan. I think you should have your own opinion of that by now. Ash is detached from these matters entirely. I'd have liked to see them step-up and take a more active role in the war, proving they are capable individual leaders in their own right. They should also have told us what interesting adventures they took on while Shepard was dead/away and how it changed them as people from when we last saw them.

One of the bigger missed-opportunities where characters are concerned, IMO.

Oh, and don't get me started on Morinth...

[David7204]

And what 'active role' would that be, exactly?

[P. Domi]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

On-topic, the "What choice would squadmates take?" thread made me think of something. The VS spent nearly three years at least partly (if not completely) on active-duty and firmly *out* of Commander Shepard's shadow, but we see no maturity out of either one of them as characters come ME3, despite being promoted several times over. This open time-frame presented a perfect opportunity for the VS to do some important and interesting work on their own and develop as their own characters, but as is, they may as well have spent that time locked away in a closet.

In-game, you have Kaidan asking you questions like, "What do you do if you have to sacrifice a few to save many?" You're a Major, Kaidan. I think you should have your own opinion of that by now. Ash is detached from these matters entirely. I'd have liked to see them step-up and take a more active role in the war, proving they are capable individual leaders in their own right. They should also have told us what interesting adventures they took on while Shepard was dead/away and how it changed them as people from when we last saw them.

One of the bigger missed-opportunities where characters are concerned, IMO.

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Exactly my thoughts...

[KaiserShep]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Oh, and don't get me started on Morinth...

I don't think she even made sense as a choice. Remorseless brain vampire? Sure, why the hell not? It's crazy reaper times after all.

[eyezonlyii]

KaiserShep wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Oh, and don't get me started on Morinth...

I don't think she even made sense as a choice. Remorseless brain vampire? Sure, why the hell not? It's crazy reaper times after all.

what if we met Morinth first, who was on the rn from Samara, and hid her condition from us (needing the NOrmandy to hide from her justicar mother) then in *her* loyalty mission, we gewt hit with the truth and can then choose either her or Samara? I think that would have worked out a bit better.

[Kataphrut94]

eyezonlyii wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

By Miranda's own admission she's not generally been involved with the 'military side' of Cerberus. Most of Miranda's leadership involved administering technical and scientific programs (like the Lazarus project), a position for which she is excellently suited. The only squadmembers of the Normandy (in ME2) I would consider Miranda clearly superior to in terms of combat training would be Tali, Jack, Kasumi and maybe Mordin. But "realistically", I would never choose her over characters like Samara, Zaeed or Garrus.

I know we don't speak of him around here, but in this instance, I have to say Jacob is more trained in direct combat as well. 

As far as Miranda's combat goes, she's the human version of the STG. Capable of holding the line when necessary, but definitely more suited to quick infiltration, minimal combat, and sabotage.

If you think about it, of the three 'secondary leaders' in Mass Effect 2, Jacob would probably be the best. He's certainly the most personable; he always welcomes the new recruits, he doesn't lock himself in the gun battery for most of the game like Garrus does and he appears to handle his animosity towards Thane more professionaly than Miranda does with Jack. Also, of the three of them, he's the only one whose most significant tenure as a leader didn't end with his team getting betrayed and wiped out. That has to count for something.

Regarding Miranda, her core skills seem to be adaptability and versatility; she's a jack of all trades. The implied leadership skills seem to come from being a Cerberus officer. Indientally, this is why I always leave the backup fire team roles to Jacob and Garrus; Miranda only has experience leading Cerberus outfits and I would like my missions to end in success, not failure.

[DeinonSlayer]

Kataphrut94 wrote...

eyezonlyii wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

By Miranda's own admission she's not generally been involved with the 'military side' of Cerberus. Most of Miranda's leadership involved administering technical and scientific programs (like the Lazarus project), a position for which she is excellently suited. The only squadmembers of the Normandy (in ME2) I would consider Miranda clearly superior to in terms of combat training would be Tali, Jack, Kasumi and maybe Mordin. But "realistically", I would never choose her over characters like Samara, Zaeed or Garrus.

I know we don't speak of him around here, but in this instance, I have to say Jacob is more trained in direct combat as well. 

As far as Miranda's combat goes, she's the human version of the STG. Capable of holding the line when necessary, but definitely more suited to quick infiltration, minimal combat, and sabotage.

If you think about it, of the three 'secondary leaders' in Mass Effect 2, Jacob would probably be the best. He's certainly the most personable; he always welcomes the new recruits, he doesn't lock himself in the gun battery for most of the game like Garrus does and he appears to handle his animosity towards Thane more professionaly than Miranda does with Jack. Also, of the three of them, he's the only one whose most significant tenure as a leader didn't end with his team getting betrayed and wiped out. That has to count for something.

Regarding Miranda, her core skills seem to be adaptability and versatility; she's a jack of all trades. The implied leadership skills seem to come from being a Cerberus officer. Indientally, this is why I always leave the backup fire team roles to Jacob and Garrus; Miranda only has experience leading Cerberus outfits and I would like my missions to end in success, not failure.

Jacob also has previous experience captaining a ship from his time as a Corsair.

In all seriousness, HE ought to have been the ship's XO. I've yet to see exactly what Miranda's credentials are, I'm just told (by her)  to believe she's an expert at pretty much everything (except, evidently, maintaining a biotic bubble ). That's not to say she's unskilled, only that we're thin on the details of what she's actually capable of.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 10 novembre 2013 - 06:49 .

[David7204]

When it is ever said that Jacob 'captained' a ship as a Corsair, exactly?

[DeinonSlayer]

David7204 wrote...

When it is ever said that Jacob 'captained' a ship as a Corsair, exactly?

The Corsairs were described as a program that contracted independent starship captains to handle missions that fell outside of official Alliance jurisdiction, giving the Alliance plausible deniability. Perhaps I'm misinterpreting, but what I got out of that was that Jacob was one of those independent starship captains.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 10 novembre 2013 - 06:53 .

[David7204]

You're misinterpreting.

First of all, Jacob was an Alliance soldier before. He's not going to become a starship captain overnight. Where would he have gotten the income?

Secondly, the captain certainly wouldn't be the only person on the ship or the only person undertaking the mission.

[DeinonSlayer]

Shepard might disagree on that last point, but fine, whatever. We still don't have any information on the exact nature of Miranda's skillset.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 10 novembre 2013 - 07:00 .

[Seboist]

eyezonlyii wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Oh, and don't get me started on Morinth...

I don't think she even made sense as a choice. Remorseless brain vampire? Sure, why the hell not? It's crazy reaper times after all.

what if we met Morinth first, who was on the rn from Samara, and hid her condition from us (needing the NOrmandy to hide from her justicar mother) then in *her* loyalty mission, we gewt hit with the truth and can then choose either her or Samara? I think that would have worked out a bit better.

That would have been better, yes. The lack of Morinth going after the sole virginal and innocent girl in a criminal/pirate den would have made things more grey too.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

David7204 wrote...

And what 'active role' would that be, exactly?

First, scrap the "regaining trust"-nonsense between the VS and Shepard -- to make room for more meaningful story developments. In the interest of time, I will not elaborate on why I found that drama stupid and pointless. Just bear with me.

Next, Kaidan and Ashley will come to Shepard after Mars with something they need -- their own personal quest. I'm not sure what Ash's thing would be. With Kaidan, though, it would involve helping (rescuing, perhaps) his squad Biotics Division, and ultimately recruiting them to the war efforts as assets, no doubt. However, they are not like other assets in that Kaidan remains in charge of them after they pledge their assistance for the final battle (as opposed to Hackett getting them). After the mission, Kaidan can be found giving them various assignments when Shepard checks-in on him.

It would be not too different from the way Garrus attends to his duties for Victus while still aboard the Normandy, and would open the door for similar conversations. What have these experiences taught them? Does Shepard agree?

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 10 novembre 2013 - 07:10 .

[David7204]

That sounds to me like little more than a rehash of Jack's arc.

Also, Kaidan giving orders to a dozen people half a galaxy away is immensely different from Garrus giving orders to a much larger group of people over the same distance.

Modifié par David7204, 10 novembre 2013 - 07:12 .

[teh DRUMPf!!]

KaiserShep wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Oh, and don't get me started on Morinth...

I don't think she even made sense as a choice. Remorseless brain vampire? Sure, why the hell not? It's crazy reaper times after all.

We have Jack, Thane, Zaeed, Mordin, Grunt, and Kasumi.

What's one more remorseless killer?

Samara arguably fits into that category, herself.

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 10 novembre 2013 - 07:23 .

[teh DRUMPf!!]

David7204 wrote...

That sounds to me like little more than a rehash of Jack's arc.

The difference being that Kaidan is not on the frontlines with the rest of the squad after the mission is complete, but is ordering them around instead of Hackett. Hell, if it's an issue of redundancy, these missions can be made into one: Kaidan formally leads Biotics Division, but Jack was signed earlier on to help train the biotics, and she answers to him.

David7204 wrote...

Also, Kaidan giving orders to a dozen people half a galaxy away is immensely different from Garrus giving orders to a much larger group of people over the same distance.

Point. Missing it.

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 10 novembre 2013 - 07:24 .

[David7204]

That's a difference that only seems to make things worse.

And the solution to making Kaidan's arc good isn't making Jack's bad. Jack's dedication and newfound compassion for her kids takes a serious hit if she gives them up to Kaidan just like that.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

David7204 wrote...

That's a difference that only seems to make things worse.

And the solution to making Kaidan's arc good isn't making Jack's bad. Jack's dedication and newfound compassion for her kids takes a serious hit if she gives them up to Kaidan just like that.

Nothing would be changed about Jack's arc, except that Kaidan would be ordering her squad around the galaxy after they're recruited to the war efforts (as opposed to Hackett or some other nameless Alliance leader doing so, as it is right now).

[David7204]

Jack makes it clear when you meet her in Purgatory that she's still with her students.

[DeinonSlayer]

David7204 wrote...

Jack makes it clear when you meet her in Purgatory that she's still with her students.

And would it be inappropriate if she, in turn, answered to Kaidan?

[David7204]

It certainly doesn't improve things.

I really don't see how this adds anything satisfying to the story. 'Kaidan commands things from the Normandy' is not sufficient for this not to be a rehash.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

David7204 wrote...

Jack makes it clear when you meet her in Purgatory that she's still with her students.

On the frontlines, yes, she's still with them. We've established that.

She is not, however, the one who's ordering them around the galaxy and choosing their assignments.

Those orders are coming from Alliance brass above her -- most likely Hackett, but perhaps some other nameless officer. In that same conversation you mentioned, Jack tells Shepard that she's trying to make sure Shepard's "bosses" [sic] don't get her students killed. So all I'm proposing here is to replace Hackett/nameless-Alliance-officers with Kaidan instead. Finito.

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 10 novembre 2013 - 07:51 .