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[spirosz]

DuskWanderer wrote...

David7204 wrote...

You deny, Massively, that pre-literate cultures exist which have some but not necessarily all of the same marks of beauty as western cultures? Boobs, butts, wide hips, feet?

Those were symbols of fertility, not beauty. Perhaps you need to do research

^  Yeah.  Fertility, not beauty. 

[Br3admax]

David7204 wrote...

Oh gosh, who could possibly imagine marks of fertility and beauty being the similar or outright identical. Surely you jest. That's beyond the realm of possibility. There's no way evolution could have programmed in such fertility cues which are processed culturally as beauty.

Evolution? Hahahahahaha! What do you know about evolution? Evolution is not why you find certain features attractive in women. It's the other way around, kiddo. 

[David7204]

I'm afraid feminism has lied to you. Or part of it anyway. The idea that beauty is created entirely by advertisers and 'the patriarchy' is a silly myth and little else.

I mean, really. If it was possible, there would be a goddamn gold mine lying in wait. The fact that nobody has become a trillionaire by turning obesity attractive or whatever should be proof.

Modifié par David7204, 17 novembre 2013 - 03:51 .

[eyezonlyii]

 hope this works:
http://www.allvoices...round-the-world

[Br3admax]

I'm afraid that idiocy has lied to you.

Just so you know, David, in most of the undeveloped and less globalized world, larger women are more attractive. Do some research.

Modifié par Br3ad, 17 novembre 2013 - 03:51 .

[dreamgazer]

StreetMagic wrote...

What do guys mean by fertility symbols? They don't have much relation to beauty in modern media. Apples and oranges.

Oh, it's a party now!

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

You deny, Massively, that pre-literate cultures exist which have some but not necessarily all of the same norms of beauty as western cultures? Boobs, butts, wide hips, feet? Clear skin? Big eyes? Tall? White teeth?

No, but then again, that wasn't what your prior claim was. You've changed your argument. 

You claimed that across the world, different cultures hold a standard of beauty that is universal, and now you've changed it to say that 'some' cultures hold 'some' of the same norms of beauty as Western cultures.

So, your argument is, at the moment, worthless.

[David7204]

Wrong, Massively. If you look at the original post edited over 20 minutes ago, I specifically used the word 'often.' The standards are often in tune.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Br3ad wrote...

I'm afraid that idiocy has lied to you.

Just so you know, David, in most of the undeveloped and less globalized world, larger women are more attractive. Do some research.

Up until the early 1900's, large women in the United States were viewed as healthy and hardy. Look at how beauty is perceived in Japan, Korea, and China (small feet, small mouths, small breasts, small everything except eyes) versus how it is portrayed in Middle Eastern and Arabic cultures. Or how beauty is viewed in Polynesian/Pacific cultures versus how it is viewed in Central Africa.

There is hardly a universal ideal on how beauty is perceived in the world.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 17 novembre 2013 - 04:02 .

[Xilizhra]

I'm afraid feminism has lied to you. Or part of it anyway. The idea that beauty is created entirely by advertisers and 'the patriarchy' is a silly myth and little else.

This was never the point, really. The problem is incessant pressure to live up to an unrealistic standard.

[spirosz]

Xilizhra wrote...

I'm afraid feminism has lied to you. Or part of it anyway. The idea that beauty is created entirely by advertisers and 'the patriarchy' is a silly myth and little else.

The problem is incessant pressure to live up to an unrealistic standard.

Yep. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

Wrong, Massively. If you look at the original post edited over 20 minutes ago, I specifically used the word 'often.' The standards are often in tune.

You just proved my point. 

You edited your post.

You changed your argument.

And what is your definition of 'standard'? What 'standards' do you mean?

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 17 novembre 2013 - 04:04 .

[dreamgazer]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

And what is your definition of 'standard'? What 'standards' do you mean?

Oh, lord.

[spirosz]

dreamgazer wrote...

Oh, lord.

Saved. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

dreamgazer wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

And what is your definition of 'standard'? What 'standards' do you mean?

Oh, lord.

I think I speak for everyone here in anticipation of David's reaction:

[David7204]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Wrong, Massively. If you look at the original post edited over 20 minutes ago, I specifically used the word 'often.' The standards are often in tune.

You just proved my point. 

You edited your post.

You changed your argument.

And what is your definition of 'standard'? What 'standards' do you mean?

Uh, no. I editted my post twenty minutes ago to fix an unrelated grammar issue. Before you made the actual accusation in the first place. The 'often' was there from the beginning.

Modifié par David7204, 17 novembre 2013 - 04:12 .

[David7204]

Xilizhra wrote...

I'm afraid feminism has lied to you. Or part of it anyway. The idea that beauty is created entirely by advertisers and 'the patriarchy' is a silly myth and little else.

This was never the point, really. The problem is incessant pressure to live up to an unrealistic standard.

That's certainly unfortunate.

But whenever an ideal exists, people will try to profit from it. We can't destroy ideals on that basis.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Wrong, Massively. If you look at the original post edited over 20 minutes ago, I specifically used the word 'often.' The standards are often in tune.

You just proved my point. 

You edited your post.

You changed your argument.

And what is your definition of 'standard'? What 'standards' do you mean?

Uh, no. I editted my post twenty minutes ago to fix an unrelated grammar issue. Before you made the actual accusation in the first place. The 'often' was there from the beginning.

Yes, you did David. You're lying, unless said 'grammar issue' was the change in your argument. Unfortunately, this is entirely deniable due to the nature of the editing here. 

[favoritehookeronthecitadel]

Oh, just kiss already.

[Xilizhra]

David7204 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I'm afraid feminism has lied to you. Or part of it anyway. The idea that beauty is created entirely by advertisers and 'the patriarchy' is a silly myth and little else.

This was never the point, really. The problem is incessant pressure to live up to an unrealistic standard.

That's certainly unfortunate.

But whenever an ideal exists, people will try to profit from it. We can't destroy ideals on that basis.

Destroying the ideal is both pointless and likely impossible; changing attitudes about it is the goal.

[Volc19]

If it was up to me, Mordin would have stayed intact from ME2, and would oppose the Genophage cure. It would really help to balance out the Genophage argument if we actually had a likeable voice supporting the Genophage, instead of all of the people that we like being for the cure and the one person against the cure being an unlikeable politician.

EDIT: I was under the impression that the thread was still on topic. My bad.

Modifié par Volc19, 18 novembre 2013 - 05:53 .

[ImaginaryMatter]

favoritehookeronthecitadel wrote...

Oh, just kiss already.

Two powerful posters, forceful personalities, confident in their argumentative rhetoric...

[Oni Changas]

So... what the **** happened to this topic? Make a new thread if you want to talk about romance and feminism...

If it was up to me, Mordin would have stayed intact from ME2, and would oppose the Genophage cure. It would really help to balance out the Genophage argument if we actually had a likeable voice supporting the Genophage, instead of all of the people that we like being for the cure and the one person against the cure being an unlikeable politician.

This should have played off of Shepard's influence on Mordin. Like if you chastised him, he'd be more inclined to want to cure it, and if you agreed, he'd keep the hardline.