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[David7204]

Xilizhra wrote...

Also, what about seeking something closer to the ideal, so that the ideal may ultimately be reached in steps?

People aren't slowly converted and eased into this sort of thing.

[General TSAR]

eyezonlyii wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Me personally?

Hmm...

OEF Veteran, Combat Veteran 1st Battalion 173rd Airborne in the Korangal Valley of Afghanistan, Airborne certified with 6 combat jumps, Air Assault qualified with 42 theater insertions, 1st Lieutenant in the United States Army, Military Intelligence Officer 113th Support Battalion, Gradutate of the United States Army Northern Warfare Training Center, Expert Marksman qualified on the M-16A2 Rifle and M-4 Carbine, Graduate in Bronze with the German Military Proficiency Badge... And that's just the stuff off the top of my head.

Were you lonely with an isolated childhood? Do you constantly feel unloved and not a part of the world at large? if not, then my good sir (or madam) you are no hero.

Military Vets deserve our respect for answering the call.

And yes, they are heroes and heroines.

Modifié par General TSAR, 06 novembre 2013 - 01:02 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Xilizhra wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

David, John F. Kennedy seemed to be pretty popular with the girls.

Bay of Pigs, among much else. I don't know if he's really a hero. I think very few politicians qualify.

Commander of PT-109 during WW2 made him a war hero. The PT boat sank during battle and his actions saved his crew. He was later given command of PT-59 and helped evacuate 40 to 50 Marines (including several dozen wounded men) from the 2nd Parachute Battalion of the 1st Marine Parachute Regiment who had been trapped during a raid on Choiseul Island. After the rescue, PT-59 ran out of gas on the return trip and had to be towed by PT-236. One badly wounded Marine died in Kennedy's bunk aboard PT-59 that night.

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Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 06 novembre 2013 - 01:04 .

[Xilizhra]

People aren't slowly converted and eased into this sort of thing.

It might help if we know what the ideal actually is.

Military Vets deserve our respect for answering the call.

Provided their conduct is honorable.

[David7204]

Right. The story nearly always starts around that point.

[Xilizhra]

David7204 wrote...

Right. The story nearly always starts around that point.

And at that point, you can start going around helping people?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

eyezonlyii wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Me personally?

Hmm...

OEF Veteran, Combat Veteran 1st Battalion 173rd Airborne in the Korangal Valley of Afghanistan, Airborne certified with 6 combat jumps, Air Assault qualified with 42 theater insertions, 1st Lieutenant in the United States Army, Military Intelligence Officer 113th Support Battalion, Gradutate of the United States Army Northern Warfare Training Center, Expert Marksman qualified on the M-16A2 Rifle and M-4 Carbine, Graduate in Bronze with the German Military Proficiency Badge... And that's just the stuff off the top of my head.

Were you lonely with an isolated childhood? Do you constantly feel unloved and not a part of the world at large? if not, then my good sir (or madam) you are no hero.

Somewhat lonely, though I have lots of friends all over the world. My parents were both former Naval Officers, and as such, we moved constantly across the globe. I've lived in or visited the following countries:

Afghanistan
Australia
New Zealand
The Philippines
Pakistan
Russia 
Japan
South Korea
Taiwan
China
Fiji
Nauru
The Solomon Islands
Kiribati (aka Gilbert Islands)
Malaysia
Indonesia
Hong Kong
Macau
Antigua and Barbuda
The Bahamas
Bahrain
Qatar
Kuwait
The United Arab Emirates
Saudi Arabia
Germany 
Dominica
The Dominican Republic
Jamaica
Barbados
Grenada
Saint Kitts and Nevis
Saint Lucia
Samoa
Tuvalu
Trinidad and Tobago
The United Kingdom
Canada
Mexico
Brazil
Argentina
Chile
Ecuador
Panama
Costa Rica
India
South Africa
Egypt
Israel
Belize
Italy
France
Spain
Portugal
Switzerland
Andorra
Liechtenstein
Belgium
Luxembourg
The Netherlands
Poland
Denmark
Sweden
Ireland
Norway
Finland
Greece
Tunisia
Morocco
The United States
Kenya
Tanzania
Ethiopia
Vatican City
San Marino
Monaco
Turkey
Tajikistan

I'm single, a Master's Student who's "working" on my graduate degree for Political Science (in reality, I'm killing time before I can move back out-West) at Northern Illinois University (I'm taking one class at Indiana University Indianapolis presently), I have plenty of friends who I see on an irregular basis, a "job" as an adjunct military science instructor for the IUPUI ROTC Battalion, and I have my own house (though I don't own it since I don't plan on staying in the Indy-Chicago region forever).

I have a Bachelor of Science in Political Science with a concentration on International Relations, a Bachelor of Arts in International Studies concentrating on Russian Culture and Geography, a minor in Military Science and Leadership, a minor in Russian Language Studies, all from the Indiana University School of Liberal Arts at IUPUI, and an Associate of Arts in Logic and Persuasion in Argument from Cochise County Community College.

And ALL of this has been accomplished before I have even turned 25 years of age (which will be in December of next year).

I think I've earned my heroism and characterization.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 06 novembre 2013 - 01:07 .

[David7204]

Err...well...yes, and no. You can save lives, protect the innocent and all that. But that line that can't be crossed is still there. Shepard can develop Liara into a hero and develop Garrus into a hero because they're on the same side of that line. But not the population at large.

So, yeah, you can help people, but perhaps not with what matters most. That's confined to a few. But then, developing a few, even one, is a tremendous and beautiful accomplishment.

Modifié par David7204, 06 novembre 2013 - 01:07 .

[Xilizhra]

I think I've earned my heroism and characterization.

Your character archetype is really more villainous.

Err...well...yes, and no. You can save lives, protect the innocent and all that. But that line that can't be crossed is still there. Shepard can develop Liara into a hero and develop Garrus into a hero because they're on the same side of that line. But not the population at large.

So, yeah, you can help people, but perhaps not with what matters most. That's confined to a few.

Personally converting people may not be practical, but one can certainly serve as an inspiration. It won't solve everything, but it'll definitely help.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Xilizhra wrote...

I think I've earned my heroism and characterization.

Your character archetype is really more villainous.

No, I just have a different brand of 'heroism' than you.

[Mr.House]

Xilizhra wrote...

People aren't slowly converted and eased into this sort of thing.

It might help if we know what the ideal actually is.

Military Vets deserve our respect for answering the call.

Provided their conduct is honorable.

Honor means little when you're fighting for your life to protect your country.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

A neighbor of mine in CA had no trouble with his social life either, and he was a hero. How did he spend his days? Saving lives.

[Xilizhra]

No, I just have a different brand of 'heroism' than you.

Right, the villainous one.

Honor means little when you're fighting for your life to protect your country.

Honor doesn't strike me as being all that hard to achieve, really; don't kill civilians, surrendered combatants, etc.

[DeinonSlayer]

Xilizhra wrote...

I think I've earned my heroism and characterization.

Your character archetype is really more villainous.

That's rich, coming from someone who went into gleeful detail about how after Controlling the Reapers they'd use seeker swarms for crowd control and indoctrination as a means of "pacifying" recidivists.

You've also made death threats against at least two people on these boards, of the "I'd kill you if" variety.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 06 novembre 2013 - 01:13 .

[David7204]

Xilizhra wrote...

Your character archetype is really more villainous.

Err...well...yes, and no. You can save lives, protect the innocent and all that. But that line that can't be crossed is still there. Shepard can develop Liara into a hero and develop Garrus into a hero because they're on the same side of that line. But not the population at large.

So, yeah, you can help people, but perhaps not with what matters most. That's confined to a few.

Personally converting people may not be practical, but one can certainly serve as an inspiration. It won't solve everything, but it'll definitely help.

That is absolutely true. And impressive of you. You have a good understanding.

Modifié par David7204, 06 novembre 2013 - 01:12 .

[eyezonlyii]

I really hope the sarcasm was clear in my post. if not my sincerest apologies. My mom was military, but non combat oriented, and never deployed overseas. either way i have nothing but the utmost respect for those who serve.

[General TSAR]

Getting back to the topic......

I would have loved an option to "harden" some characters, Tali in particular.

[David7204]

Oh, and it's indicative of the titantic importance of stories.

[Mr.House]

Xilizhra wrote...

No, I just have a different brand of 'heroism' than you.

Right, the villainous one.

Honor means little when you're fighting for your life to protect your country.

Honor doesn't strike me as being all that hard to achieve, really; don't kill civilians, surrendered combatants, etc.

Sometimes you need to make sacerfices, unlike Mass Effect there is no optimal choices.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Xilizhra wrote...

No, I just have a different brand of 'heroism' than you.

Right, the villainous one.

You know what's villainous to me? Not being strong enough to do whatever it takes to accomplish your goal. 

To semi-quote Bobby Knight: "Few people are willing to win. Fewer still are willing to prepare to win."

What are you willing to do Xil? Are you willing to do all that must be done for a goal? Or are you unwilling to pit your morals against necessity?

[dreamgazer]

Xilizhra wrote...

No, I just have a different brand of 'heroism' than you.

Right, the villainous one.

Xil, you probably don't want to know about the "heroic" things that soldiers with similar track records and dispositions to Massively's are responsible for doing.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Mr.House wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

People aren't slowly converted and eased into this sort of thing.

It might help if we know what the ideal actually is.

Military Vets deserve our respect for answering the call.

Provided their conduct is honorable.

Honor means little when you're fighting for your life to protect your country.

Screw my country. Only two things mattered to me. If I didn't fight for my life in the 4 situations that I was in that qualify as 'fighting for my life', I'd lose it. The other was making sure my mission was accomplished. That was all of our goals. We kept each other alive so that we could have a higher chance of mission success. And we succeeded 100% of all missions assigned to us. I never lost any personal, very close friends of mine, but my Company sustained 11 casualties during my 7 months, with 3 killed in action. I knew them all.