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[Xilizhra]

That's rich, coming from someone who went into gleeful detail about how after Controlling the Reapers they'd use seeker swarms for crowd control and indoctrination as a means of "pacifying" recidivists.

You've also made death threats against at least two people on these boards, of the "I'd kill you if" variety.

The funny thing is that you don't need to be a hero to see that someone else is the villain. I myself have never claimed the title.

Also, you were suckered by the abomination aesthetic, and I'm wavering on Control in any case.

That is absolutely true. And impressive of you. You have a good understanding.

Interestingly enough, that's pretty much the entire point of the Paragon archetype from TVTropes. Also, thank you.

You know what's villainous to me? Not being strong enough to do whatever it takes to accomplish your goal.

To semi-quote Bobby Knight: "Few people are willing to win. Fewer still are willing to prepare to win."

What are you willing to do Xil? Are you willing to do all that must be done for a goal? Or are you unwilling to pit your morals against necessity?

Well, I've accomplished absolutely everything within my power that I set out to do in every Bioware game thus far. So apparently I'm willing enough.

Xil, you probably don't want to know about the "heroic" things that
soldiers with similar track records and dispositions to Massively's are
responsible for doing.

I think I have an inkling.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 06 novembre 2013 - 01:20 .

[rekn2]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

People aren't slowly converted and eased into this sort of thing.

It might help if we know what the ideal actually is.

Military Vets deserve our respect for answering the call.

Provided their conduct is honorable.

Honor means little when you're fighting for your life to protect your country.

Screw my country. Only two things mattered to me. If I didn't fight for my life in the 4 situations that I was in that qualify as 'fighting for my life', I'd lose it. The other was making sure my mission was accomplished. That was all of our goals. We kept each other alive so that we could have a higher chance of mission success. And we succeeded 100% of all missions assigned to us. I never lost any personal, very close friends of mine, but my Company sustained 11 casualties during my 7 months, with 3 killed in action. I knew them all. 

no point in discussing this kind of thing with civilians (xil)

[Mr.House]

Only because Bioware always allows the optimal path.

[AresKeith]

Xilizhra wrote...

You know what's villainous to me? Not being strong enough to do whatever it takes to accomplish your goal.

To semi-quote Bobby Knight: "Few people are willing to win. Fewer still are willing to prepare to win."

What are you willing to do Xil? Are you willing to do all that must be done for a goal? Or are you unwilling to pit your morals against necessity?

Well, I've accomplished absolutely everything within my power that I set out to do in every Bioware game thus far. So apparently I'm willing enough.

Video game =/= real life

You wouldn't last long in the army

[MassivelyEffective0730]

rekn2 wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

People aren't slowly converted and eased into this sort of thing.

It might help if we know what the ideal actually is.

Military Vets deserve our respect for answering the call.

Provided their conduct is honorable.

Honor means little when you're fighting for your life to protect your country.

Screw my country. Only two things mattered to me. If I didn't fight for my life in the 4 situations that I was in that qualify as 'fighting for my life', I'd lose it. The other was making sure my mission was accomplished. That was all of our goals. We kept each other alive so that we could have a higher chance of mission success. And we succeeded 100% of all missions assigned to us. I never lost any personal, very close friends of mine, but my Company sustained 11 casualties during my 7 months, with 3 killed in action. I knew them all. 

no point in discussing this kind of thing with civilians (xil)

Yup. Clowns like that are responsible for all of the Political Correctness in the military today. 

"Hurt feelings" and what not.

In the end, all it will do is get more people killed. 

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 06 novembre 2013 - 01:23 .

[Xilizhra]

AresKeith wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

You know what's villainous to me? Not being strong enough to do whatever it takes to accomplish your goal.

To semi-quote Bobby Knight: "Few people are willing to win. Fewer still are willing to prepare to win."

What are you willing to do Xil? Are you willing to do all that must be done for a goal? Or are you unwilling to pit your morals against necessity?

Well, I've accomplished absolutely everything within my power that I set out to do in every Bioware game thus far. So apparently I'm willing enough.

Video game =/= real life

You wouldn't last long in the army

I'm literally incapable of joining the Army because I have asthma, so that point is moot.

[General TSAR]

Xilizhra wrote...

That's rich, coming from someone who went into gleeful detail about how after Controlling the Reapers they'd use seeker swarms for crowd control and indoctrination as a means of "pacifying" recidivists.

You've also made death threats against at least two people on these boards, of the "I'd kill you if" variety.

The funny thing is that you don't need to be a hero to see that someone else is the villain. I myself have never claimed the title.

Also, you were suckered by the abomination aesthetic, and I'm wavering on Control in any case.

"Aesthetic?" Good Lord....

And I love the fact that you didn't adress the death threats.

[rekn2]

Xilizhra wrote...

That's rich, coming from someone who went into gleeful detail about how after Controlling the Reapers they'd use seeker swarms for crowd control and indoctrination as a means of "pacifying" recidivists.

You've also made death threats against at least two people on these boards, of the "I'd kill you if" variety.

The funny thing is that you don't need to be a hero to see that someone else is the villain. I myself have never claimed the title.

Also, you were suckered by the abomination aesthetic, and I'm wavering on Control in any case.

That is absolutely true. And impressive of you. You have a good understanding.

Interestingly enough, that's pretty much the entire point of the Paragon archetype from TVTropes. Also, thank you.

You know what's villainous to me? Not being strong enough to do whatever it takes to accomplish your goal.

To semi-quote Bobby Knight: "Few people are willing to win. Fewer still are willing to prepare to win."

What are you willing to do Xil? Are you willing to do all that must be done for a goal? Or are you unwilling to pit your morals against necessity?

Well, I've accomplished absolutely everything within my power that I set out to do in every Bioware game thus far. So apparently I'm willing enough.

ROFL, what an absolute joke of a human being. how could you possibly compair real life scenarios to something in a video game?

GTFO

[AresKeith]

Xilizhra wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

You know what's villainous to me? Not being strong enough to do whatever it takes to accomplish your goal.

To semi-quote Bobby Knight: "Few people are willing to win. Fewer still are willing to prepare to win."

What are you willing to do Xil? Are you willing to do all that must be done for a goal? Or are you unwilling to pit your morals against necessity?

Well, I've accomplished absolutely everything within my power that I set out to do in every Bioware game thus far. So apparently I'm willing enough.

Video game =/= real life

You wouldn't last long in the army

I'm literally incapable of joining the Army because I have asthma, so that point is moot.

That may be but you saying your willing enough in a Bioware game where they always gave you a way out is also moot

[DeinonSlayer]

AresKeith wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

You know what's villainous to me? Not being strong enough to do whatever it takes to accomplish your goal.

To semi-quote Bobby Knight: "Few people are willing to win. Fewer still are willing to prepare to win."

What are you willing to do Xil? Are you willing to do all that must be done for a goal? Or are you unwilling to pit your morals against necessity?

Well, I've accomplished absolutely everything within my power that I set out to do in every Bioware game thus far. So apparently I'm willing enough.

Video game =/= real life

You wouldn't last long in the army

I'm trying to remember the details of that incident in Afghanistan. Our guys refrained from shooting the unarmed farmers who saw them arrive, and in turn they went and tipped off the Taliban about their location, resulting in several US casualties including a downed helicopter.

You can't upper-left-blue your way out of a situation like that.

[rekn2]

StreetMagic wrote...

Is anyone here willing to just.. I don't know.. live in the moment? Do you have to see your life as some kind of narrative, struggling against demonic forces in the world? Where do you fit the casual parts of your life.. Like where you're just eating a sandwich or switching the radio station as your warming your car up for work? God forbid you just turn out to be human like everyone else. Is this the kind of thing you chat about at parties? For ****'s sake.

this is the internet, theyre showing you what THEY want you to see.

most likely mother's basement-dwelling chronic masterbators.

[dreamgazer]

StreetMagic wrote...

Is anyone here willing to just.. I don't know.. live in the moment? Do you have to see your life as some kind of narrative, struggling against demonic forces in the world? Where do you fit the casual parts of your life.. Like where you're just eating a sandwich or switching the radio station as you're warming your car up for work? God forbid you just turn out to be human like everyone else. Is this the kind of thing you chat about at parties? For ****'s sake.

I don't know precisely where you're going with this paragraph, but I was eating a sandwich while reading it. 

So ... win? 

[rekn2]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

You know what's villainous to me? Not being strong enough to do whatever it takes to accomplish your goal.

To semi-quote Bobby Knight: "Few people are willing to win. Fewer still are willing to prepare to win."

What are you willing to do Xil? Are you willing to do all that must be done for a goal? Or are you unwilling to pit your morals against necessity?

Well, I've accomplished absolutely everything within my power that I set out to do in every Bioware game thus far. So apparently I'm willing enough.

Video game =/= real life

You wouldn't last long in the army

I'm trying to remember the details of that incident in Afghanistan. Our guys refrained from shooting the unarmed farmers who saw them arrive, and in turn they went and tipped off the Taliban about their location, resulting in several US casualties including a downed helicopter.

You can't upper-left-blue your way out of a situation like that.

operation redwings

[eyezonlyii]

General TSAR wrote...

Getting back to the topic......

I would have loved an option to "harden" some characters, Tali in particular.

this would be good. maybe afer the death of her father? or even before. i mean if kal was destined to die anyway, that should have been a moment for shep to harden her resolve. 

[AresKeith]

Darth Marr is pretty heroic in SWTOR

[Deverz]

StreetMagic wrote...

Is anyone here willing to just.. I don't know.. live in the moment? Do you have to see your life as some kind of narrative, struggling against demonic forces in the world? Where do you fit the casual parts of your life.. Like where you're just eating a sandwich or switching the radio station as your warming your car up for work? God forbid you just turn out to be human like everyone else. Is this the kind of thing you chat about at parties? For ****'s sake.

Ahhh finally, a voice of reason. This thread is getting crazy.

[General TSAR]

eyezonlyii wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

Getting back to the topic......

I would have loved an option to "harden" some characters, Tali in particular.

this would be good. maybe afer the death of her father? or even before. i mean if kal was destined to die anyway, that should have been a moment for shep to harden her resolve. 

The minute she saw her pappy's corpse, I'm sorry Tali but you need to harden the hell up.

[Xilizhra]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

You know what's villainous to me? Not being strong enough to do whatever it takes to accomplish your goal.

To semi-quote Bobby Knight: "Few people are willing to win. Fewer still are willing to prepare to win."

What are you willing to do Xil? Are you willing to do all that must be done for a goal? Or are you unwilling to pit your morals against necessity?

Well, I've accomplished absolutely everything within my power that I set out to do in every Bioware game thus far. So apparently I'm willing enough.

Video game =/= real life

You wouldn't last long in the army

I'm trying to remember the details of that incident in Afghanistan. Our guys refrained from shooting the unarmed farmers who saw them arrive, and in turn they went and tipped off the Taliban about their location, resulting in several US casualties including a downed helicopter.

You can't upper-left-blue your way out of a situation like that.

Well, shooting them would be a war crime, so overall, while the ultimate outcome was bad, it could have been worse. And that sort of thing just tends to harden the populace against us, making repeats of that incident ever more likely in the future.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

You know what's villainous to me? Not being strong enough to do whatever it takes to accomplish your goal.

To semi-quote Bobby Knight: "Few people are willing to win. Fewer still are willing to prepare to win."

What are you willing to do Xil? Are you willing to do all that must be done for a goal? Or are you unwilling to pit your morals against necessity?

Well, I've accomplished absolutely everything within my power that I set out to do in every Bioware game thus far. So apparently I'm willing enough.

Video game =/= real life

You wouldn't last long in the army

I'm trying to remember the details of that incident in Afghanistan. Our guys refrained from shooting the unarmed farmers who saw them arrive, and in turn they went and tipped off the Taliban about their location, resulting in several US casualties including a downed helicopter.

You can't upper-left-blue your way out of a situation like that.

Yup. I'll be the first to say that I believe that the RoE are a joke (thankfully, we got rid of warning shouts and are on the shout, show, shove, show, shoot system... which isn't much better, though when we do shoot, it is to kill.)

It's why I think the idea of conduct and laws of war are a joke. And I'm saying this as a staunch liberal and relatively anti-militarist. If you're going to fight a war, you fight it to win. And the sooner you win, the sooner you resume the non-violence.

In war, one must be Machiavellian. Colonel Kurtz and LTC. Kilgore had it right.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 06 novembre 2013 - 01:34 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

dreamgazer wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

Is anyone here willing to just.. I don't know.. live in the moment? Do you have to see your life as some kind of narrative, struggling against demonic forces in the world? Where do you fit the casual parts of your life.. Like where you're just eating a sandwich or switching the radio station as you're warming your car up for work? God forbid you just turn out to be human like everyone else. Is this the kind of thing you chat about at parties? For ****'s sake.

I don't know precisely where you're going with this paragraph, but I was eating a sandwich while reading it. 

So ... win? 

Coincidently I was just watching scooby-doo

[rekn2]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

You know what's villainous to me? Not being strong enough to do whatever it takes to accomplish your goal.

To semi-quote Bobby Knight: "Few people are willing to win. Fewer still are willing to prepare to win."

What are you willing to do Xil? Are you willing to do all that must be done for a goal? Or are you unwilling to pit your morals against necessity?

Well, I've accomplished absolutely everything within my power that I set out to do in every Bioware game thus far. So apparently I'm willing enough.

Video game =/= real life

You wouldn't last long in the army

I'm trying to remember the details of that incident in Afghanistan. Our guys refrained from shooting the unarmed farmers who saw them arrive, and in turn they went and tipped off the Taliban about their location, resulting in several US casualties including a downed helicopter.

You can't upper-left-blue your way out of a situation like that.

Yup. I'll be the first to say that I believe that the RoE are a joke (thankfully, we got rid of warning shouts and are on the shout, show, shove, show, shoot system... which isn't much better, though when we do shoot, it is to kill.)

It's why I think the idea of conduct and laws of war are a joke. And I'm saying this as a staunch liberal and relatively anti-militarist. If you're going to fight a war, you fight it to win. And the sooner you win, the sooner you resume the non-violence.

which is why i will never be anything but SF