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[Br3admax]

Xilizhra wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

You know what's villainous to me? Not being strong enough to do whatever it takes to accomplish your goal.

To semi-quote Bobby Knight: "Few people are willing to win. Fewer still are willing to prepare to win."

What are you willing to do Xil? Are you willing to do all that must be done for a goal? Or are you unwilling to pit your morals against necessity?

Well, I've accomplished absolutely everything within my power that I set out to do in every Bioware game thus far. So apparently I'm willing enough.

Video game =/= real life

You wouldn't last long in the army

I'm trying to remember the details of that incident in Afghanistan. Our guys refrained from shooting the unarmed farmers who saw them arrive, and in turn they went and tipped off the Taliban about their location, resulting in several US casualties including a downed helicopter.

You can't upper-left-blue your way out of a situation like that.

Well, shooting them would be a war crime, so overall, while the ultimate outcome was bad, it could have been worse. And that sort of thing just tends to harden the populace against us, making repeats of that incident ever more likely in the future.

Please. Never become a politician. I'll sleep safely a night knowing that someone competant enough will be making the laws for my nation's army, and not someone who thinks that we should wage war with morals. 

[Xilizhra]

tickle267 wrote...

What the hell, EVERYONE should be wearing a top hat and a monocle!

It gets in the way of glasses, sadly.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Br3ad wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

You know what's villainous to me? Not being strong enough to do whatever it takes to accomplish your goal.

To semi-quote Bobby Knight: "Few people are willing to win. Fewer still are willing to prepare to win."

What are you willing to do Xil? Are you willing to do all that must be done for a goal? Or are you unwilling to pit your morals against necessity?

Well, I've accomplished absolutely everything within my power that I set out to do in every Bioware game thus far. So apparently I'm willing enough.

Video game =/= real life

You wouldn't last long in the army

I'm trying to remember the details of that incident in Afghanistan. Our guys refrained from shooting the unarmed farmers who saw them arrive, and in turn they went and tipped off the Taliban about their location, resulting in several US casualties including a downed helicopter.

You can't upper-left-blue your way out of a situation like that.

Well, shooting them would be a war crime, so overall, while the ultimate outcome was bad, it could have been worse. And that sort of thing just tends to harden the populace against us, making repeats of that incident ever more likely in the future.

Please. Never become a politician. I'll sleep safely a night knowing that someone competant enough will be making the laws for my nation's army, and not someone who thinks that we should wage war with morals. 

The safety of US military personnel comes before the safety of civilians in a combat zone. The only thing keeping Ray from giving the order to let us do what it takes is the public media and civilian distaste with what we do.

[Deverz]

tickle267 wrote...

Whilst we're at it, everyone should be smoking a pipe too.

Could I take this moment to tell you how much I love your avatar? 

[DeinonSlayer]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Please. Never become a politician. I'll sleep safely a night knowing that someone competant enough will be making the laws for my nation's army, and not someone who thinks that we should wage war with morals. 

The safety of US military personnel comes before the safety of civilians in a combat zone. The only thing keeping Ray from giving the order to let us do what it takes is the public media and civilian distaste with what we do.

The photo of the execution of Nguyen Van Lem from the Vietnam War is a classic example. It pissed people off, fired up the antiwar movement - but the public at large never saw or heard what he did to get there. Suffice to say, he got precisely what he had coming to him.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 06 novembre 2013 - 01:44 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...
]I'm trying to remember the details of that incident in Afghanistan. Our guys refrained from shooting the unarmed farmers who saw them arrive, and in turn they went and tipped off the Taliban about their location, resulting in several US casualties including a downed helicopter.

You can't upper-left-blue your way out of a situation like that.

Yup. I'll be the first to say that I believe that the RoE are a joke (thankfully, we got rid of warning shouts and are on the shout, show, shove, show, shoot system... which isn't much better, though when we do shoot, it is to kill.)

It's why I think the idea of conduct and laws of war are a joke. And I'm saying this as a staunch liberal and relatively anti-militarist. If you're going to fight a war, you fight it to win. And the sooner you win, the sooner you resume the non-violence.

this

1) don't fight any war you don't have to

2) if you have to go to war, get it done and come home.

idealism lasts until first contact with the enemy.

[Xilizhra]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Please. Never become a politician. I'll sleep safely a night knowing that someone competant enough will be making the laws for my nation's army, and not someone who thinks that we should wage war with morals. 

The safety of US military personnel comes before the safety of civilians in a combat zone. The only thing keeping Ray from giving the order to let us do what it takes is the public media and civilian distaste with what we do.

The photo of the execution of Nguyen Van Lem from the Vietnam War is a classic example. It pissed people off - but the public at large never saw or heard what he did to get there. Suffice to say, he got precisely what he had coming to him.

Assuming you believe in summary execution of the helpless, which I don't.

I also personally think that, perhaps, the people who actually signed up to risk their lives should perhaps bear a greater share of the risks than the noncombatants in whatever countries they happen to be invading. Just maybe.

[DeinonSlayer]

Xilizhra wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Please. Never become a politician. I'll sleep safely a night knowing that someone competant enough will be making the laws for my nation's army, and not someone who thinks that we should wage war with morals. 

The safety of US military personnel comes before the safety of civilians in a combat zone. The only thing keeping Ray from giving the order to let us do what it takes is the public media and civilian distaste with what we do.

The photo of the execution of Nguyen Van Lem from the Vietnam War is a classic example. It pissed people off - but the public at large never saw or heard what he did to get there. Suffice to say, he got precisely what he had coming to him.

Assuming you believe in summary execution of the helpless, which I don't.

I also personally think that, perhaps, the people who actually signed up to risk their lives should perhaps bear a greater share of the risks than the noncombatants in whatever countries they happen to be invading. Just maybe.

Just to get one thing perfectly clear, illegal combatants have exactly zero rights under the Geneva Convention. The execution was not unlawful. He was part of a vietcong cell killing police officers and their families. They caught him literally red-handed at a mass grave for seven family members. The photographer who took that picture rejected the Pulitzer prize he was given for it and praised the officer who pulled the trigger. Save your tears for those who deserve them.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 06 novembre 2013 - 01:52 .

[wolfhowwl]

He was a member of the Viet Cong.

Also the United States did not invade South Vietnam.

[eyezonlyii]

Xilizhra wrote...
I also personally think that, perhaps, the people who actually signed up to risk their lives should perhaps bear a greater share of the risks than the noncombatants in whatever countries they happen to be invading. Just maybe.

not that i've been in a combat situation, but how exactly can you tell a combatant from a non combatant? in an adeal world, two armies would line up and face each other down with no civilian casualties, but in the real world, it's easy to play with the notion of "don't kill the innocent" thus, guerilla military strategy includes using people who look like civilians.

[Xilizhra]

Just to get one thing perfectly clear, illegal combatants have exactly zero rights under the Geneva Convention. The execution was not unlawful. He was part of a vietcong cell killing police officers and their families. They caught him literally red-handed at a mass grave for seven family members. Save your tears for those who deserve them.

I never said it was unlawful. Just that I disagreed with it, and have no real remorse about the photograph circulation. Vietnam was an utter fool's errand to begin with.

Also the United States did not invade South Vietnam.

Referring to an earlier post.

[Iakus]

 What does any of this have to do with what we would have changed about our favorite characters?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Please. Never become a politician. I'll sleep safely a night knowing that someone competant enough will be making the laws for my nation's army, and not someone who thinks that we should wage war with morals. 

The safety of US military personnel comes before the safety of civilians in a combat zone. The only thing keeping Ray from giving the order to let us do what it takes is the public media and civilian distaste with what we do.

The photo of the execution of Nguyen Van Lem from the Vietnam War is a classic example. It pissed people off, fired up the antiwar movement - but the public at large never saw or heard what he did to get there. Suffice to say, he got precisely what he had coming to him.

Yup. What Nguyen Ngoc Loan did isn't exactly what I'd've done, but I feel no sympathy for what Bay Lop got. Nor would I have held it against Ngoc for doing something that really did save a lot of time and effort. 

[Xilizhra]

iakus wrote...

 What does any of this have to do with what we would have changed about our favorite characters?

The magic of the BSN. But if you'd like to redirect things, I'm happy to go along.

[General TSAR]

iakus wrote...

 What does any of this have to do with what we would have changed about our favorite characters?

Not a damn thing.
(Back on topic)
I would have loved to learn more about Zaeed's background and what he did before co-founding the Blue Suns.

[AresKeith]

iakus wrote...

 What does any of this have to do with what we would have changed about our favorite characters?

David

[dreamgazer]

iakus wrote...

 What does any of this have to do with what we would have changed about our favorite characters?

Shepard's impact on characters' integrity > Importance of heroism > Real-life soldier heroism > Rules of combat > Our Destination.

That may or may not have actually answered your question.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

I'd have loved to have seen Miranda have more action and time in ME3, with a different motivation beyond saving her sister (again).

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

tickle267 wrote...

Canes as well. You can't go around with a top hat, monocle and pipe without a walking cane as well.

And a moustache

[rekn2]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

I'd have loved to have seen Miranda have more action and time in ME3, with a different motivation beyond saving her sister (again).

squadmate wouldve been nice, too

[DeinonSlayer]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

I'd have loved to have seen Miranda have more action and time in ME3, with a different motivation beyond saving her sister (again).

Same here, and I'm not even a mirimancer.

I actually liked the idea of her staying on the Normandy during the Collector abduction and holding her own against everything they threw at her until Joker purged the ship.

I'd have liked if Tali were far less passive when faced with the extinction of her people (she attacks Legion in the leaked script - I think it was cut because Shepard's passivity highlighted just how badly written that entire scene was). Really, that entire arc was a mess. Same as how the VS is tainted by Kai Leng being at the heart of their arc.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 06 novembre 2013 - 02:15 .

[Iakus]

Xilizhra wrote...

iakus wrote...

 What does any of this have to do with what we would have changed about our favorite characters?

The magic of the BSN. But if you'd like to redirect things, I'm happy to go along.

Okay, fine.

I would have made Kelly's psychology background more central to her character.