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[The Flying Grey Warden]

Xilizhra wrote...

So... this would logically mean that all templars who had left the Chantry's lyrium pipeline turned to red lyrium to feed their addictions, due to its self-replicating properties...

Most, most intriguing.

Nope. Not even close.

What it means is that all templars who are using red lyrium right now probably did so for the replicating factor, if at all.

Other templars probably went cold turkey, others still probably found other means of getting blue lyrium on the black market.

You putting that "all" in front of the statement makes it very invalid.

[Vulpe]

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...


What it means is that all templars who are using red lyrium right now probably did so for the replicating factor, if at all.

It would mean that they are ussing red lyrium because of the replicating factor, to prevent the effects of lyrium windrawl that would render all of them useless in achiving their goal ( whatever it may be ) and because of the power boost that it offers.

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

Other templars probably went cold turkey, others still probably found other means of getting blue lyrium on the black market.

You putting that "all" in front of the statement makes it very invalid.

Here you are right, but let's not exclude the possibility that some remained loyal, even after the disband of the order.

I wonder how they keep themselves organised, considering the effects that red lyrium has over one mind and the morphing effect that it has over their bodies ( you would think that they have a limited number of personal, so it would be just a matter of time until the last of them goes Behemoth )

[Kidd]

JulianWellpit wrote...

You might have something going there. Just some questions - How would the templars find the Stone beneah Orlais and extract lyrium from there?

It's possible you may be able to hear the song of red lyrium or otherwise locate more deposits upon using it yourself. As such, Meredith may have made research on where to find more, or perhaps one who has touched her statue would. Or perhaps somebody ventured to find the primeval thaig and found clues down there after hearing about the idol from somebody. Information could also have spread before Meredith even got her hands on the idol, while Bartrand was in the seller's market. Lots of possibilies!

There is also nothing that actually hints at red lyrium being dangerous to touch for anyone, is there? Meredith had someone make her a blade, and she openly touches the sword itself just before fighting Hawke.

Let's assume that they know the location - wouldn't it be dangerous  ? It could go from The Deep Roads and even below them. Considering the difficulty of obtaining it and that they are not dwarves,so they could easely get lost, would it be a good plan using the red lyrium to make weapons from it ?

As for navigating the depths, they could have hired dwarves or just managed it on their own. If the red lyrium can indeed sing for them, they could probably follow the song.

Wouldn't keeping the shards as pendants be a smarter way of conserving their supplies and save some of their forces that could be lost venturing in The Deep Roads ? 

Depending on how quickly red lyrium grows and just how vast a supply they found beneath Orlais, conserving it may not be a priority. Considering said supply has likely been untouched for hundreds of years and the speed red lyrium may replicate at, we may just be talking about a sea of red lyrium.

BigEvil wrote...

KiddDaBeauty wrote...
The Nexus Golem also says "The Stone lives beneath Orlais. Mathas gar na fornen pa salroka atrast." What language could that be? It sounds the closest to Qunlat, but there's not really anything recognisable in there. It could be a lost language, perhaps spoken beneath Orlais.

I think it's just Dwarven. Salroka and atrast are Dwarven words we've heard a bunch of of times in DA:O and DA2. I've never been clear on what the atrast vala phrase actually translates to, but Salroka just means friend, I think.

Very true. Not well-read in dwarven at all. Thanks! =)

Modifié par KiddDaBeauty, 06 novembre 2013 - 07:57 .

[Vulpe]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Wouldn't keeping the shards as pendants be a smarter way of conserving their supplies and save some of their forces that could be lost venturing in The Deep Roads ? 

Depending on how quickly red lyrium grows and just how vast a supply they found beneath Orlais, conserving it may not be a priority. Considering said supply has likely been untouched for hundreds of years and the speed red lyrium may replicate at, we may just be talking about a sea of red lyrium.

So let me see if I understand - you are combining the possibility that red lyrium might be replicating and that they've might found the main source of it, a source bigger than the Primeval Thaig, presumely located under Orlais? Because if that's so, I find it plausable. They would have enough red lyrium so that they would be able to prepare a large enough force to combat the things lurking in the dark and achieve their goal.

From your previous post I've got the feeling that you consider that the possible huge red lyrium deposit might be the only source and that red lyrium is not self replicating. If that's the case, I think it would be pretty hard to prepare a strong enough force for an expedition in the Deep Roads, regardless if they have red lyrium.That would also mean that the only source of red lyrium would be the shards from Meredith's sword, Meredith herself beeing just a redish mineral in which organic matter is transformed by that lyrium - so yes, even less red lyrium to work with until the finding and securing the road to Red Templar Heaven. (and yes, I know that Hawke, Varric and 2 others succeded in beating everything that moved until they've found The Primeval Thaig, but that's just because he was an exceptional character in an exceptional situation - oh, and it made you feel unbeatable and powerful beyond every other living thing )

So which one is it ? I'm a little confused .

[Kidd]

JulianWellpit wrote...

So let me see if I understand - you are combining the possibility that red lyrium might be replicating and that they've might found the main source of it, a source bigger than the Primeval Thaig, presumely located under Orlais? Because if that's so, I find it plausable. They would have enough red lyrium so that they would be able to prepare a large enough force to combat the things lurking in the dark and achieve their goal.

Pretty much, yeah. If the red lyrium was replicating quickly enough to equip an army using only the remnants of Meredith, then Meredith should have had several swords worth of red lyrium around considering how much time goes by while she's in possession of the blade.

It makes more sense that they've struck red lyrium gold under Orlais to gain an immediate and immense boost to their supply. For all intents and purposes, the source there may be considered infinite in the short-term.

As for how they got there, they could have bested the Deep Roads through sheer numbers alone. Perhaps the tunnels they needed to seek aren't even directly connected to the Deep Roads, but merely a separate path down the earth found in Kal-Sharok. Of course, why the Kal-Sharokian dwarves aren't constantly high on red lyrium would need an explanation in that case, but there could perhaps be one even if I don't know what that could be.

Modifié par KiddDaBeauty, 06 novembre 2013 - 08:35 .

[Vulpe]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

JulianWellpit wrote...

So let me see if I understand - you are combining the possibility that red lyrium might be replicating and that they've might found the main source of it, a source bigger than the Primeval Thaig, presumely located under Orlais? Because if that's so, I find it plausable. They would have enough red lyrium so that they would be able to prepare a large enough force to combat the things lurking in the dark and achieve their goal.

Pretty much, yeah. If the red lyrium was replicating quickly enough to equip an army using only the remnants of Meredith, then Meredith should have had several swords worth of red lyrium around considering how much time goes by while she's in possession of the blade.

It makes more sense that they've struck red lyrium gold under Orlais to gain an immediate and immense boost to their supply. For all intents and purposes, the source there may be considered infinite in the short-term.

As for how they got there, they could have bested the Deep Roads through sheer numbers alone. Perhaps the tunnels they needed to seek aren't even directly connected to the Deep Roads, but merely a separate path down the earth found in Kal-Sharok. Of course, why the Kal-Sharokian dwarves aren't constantly high on red lyrium would need an explanation in that case, but there could perhaps be one even if I don't know what that could be.

You could be right there. At least most of it. I don't think that the Kal - Sharok dwarves have such a direct connection with the red lyrium.

Yet, I want to make some observations. I don't think that that red lyrium is as easy to scavange as it might seem. In Meredith's case is easy because all that remainded from her was a statue of lyrium. There was no more Meredith after that, just red lyrium.

As for the Behemoth - considering their beastly nature, I doubt that they would permit beeing chiped by their human companions for suppling them. They would have to be eighter defeated and killed in combat or come to a state of total conversion, like Meredith.

I doubt that its possible self replicatin properties manifest in any other way than the ones above.

Also, remember that 3 years had passed since The Kirkwall rebellion. I think that they had enough time to experiment with the lyrium, to obtain more from the transformations and, as you said, possibly find a greater source in the deeps of the ground.

Modifié par JulianWellpit, 06 novembre 2013 - 09:38 .