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[AlanC9]

Star fury wrote...
Maybe because NWN criticism was justified? As were mostly justified critics of ME2, also we need cut some slack cause fans always have very exaggerated reaction towards their passion. 

NWN had a lacklustre main campaign, which has a one bright spot - Aribeth romance. It's story was too simple, cliche and even childish. Big letdown from BG2 as Ieldra already mentioned. Addons were miles better, especially the second one.  

ME2 lost too many RPG features and drifted towards shooter. Oversimplification and pandering to casuals was also bad - lack of customization, streamlined RPG system, main campaign was too short.  

The Aribeth romance was a bright spot? Really?

And what do you mean by lack of customization? Compared to AD&D, any 3E game has better customization. (Of course, this has nothing to do with Bio since they didn't design either system)

But sure, some criticism was justified. The hysteria was not.

@Ieldra2: for some aspects, it's not so much that NWN was a step backward as it was a step in a different direction. The original vision seems to have been that there would have been a lot of co-op party play. SP was something of an afterthought, and I'm not sure the PW concept had ever occurred to anyone at Bio. If you want a game where a DM can throw together a module in time for next week's session, tiles are the way to go even if they're ugly. And companoins are only necessary in SP.

Bio wasn't as data-driven back then as they are now, if only because they didn't have the data. I wonder if they were shocked when the authentication server data made it plain that the playstyle NWN was designed for was by far the least popular way to use it.

Modifié par AlanC9, 07 novembre 2013 - 06:29 .

[HiroVoid]

Hilariously, NWN is praised like crazy now due to all the user-created content it allowed in the community.

[Ryzaki]

AresKeith wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

In many ways, I feel DA2 did this in as many ways as TW2 did. Just with a gender selector and a facial generator.

Personal perspective and all that.

Being able to select gender means a hell of a lot to me.

So screw writing because I can pretend to be a woman?

Er, I am a woman, but aside from that, what did that have to do with anything? When did I say anything about writing quality being sacrificed? Why on Earth would it be sacrificed if you have the ability to select gender?

It shouldn't be sacrificed, but if I had to choose

Writing quality > Gender selection 

Eh as a female gamer who's damned tired of playing male protagonists I'd take a writing quality hit to be able to play a female. Even in games I don't use the female option I'd rather take the hit and have the choice be available.

But I'm so damn tired of playing males in RPGs I'm at the point the game has to be godly for me to play it without gender selection. (I don't mind for any other genre though). Persona 3 Portable became so much better to me with the introduction of a female protag where's I'm "Meh it's good but not that good" to Persona 4. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 07 novembre 2013 - 07:28 .

[Ski Mask Wei]

While I was slightly disappointed with DA2 I still enjoyed the game a lot. ME3 however, broke my soul. It broke my heart as soon as I cut the game on and my character's appearance didn't import. The Crucible plot slapped me in...um...let's just say the writing killed the ME trilogy for me (1 and 2 are some of my favorite games of all time) and shook my faith in Bioware to the core.

Luckily DAI looks good. If reviews are good or my brothers give the cosign I'll run out and buy it (maybe a PS4 too if it's godlike). Although by the time it comes out I might be fiendin' for a Bioware RPG and get it at midnight no questions asked. If I go that route I want my faith rewarded however.

So yeah, they're on probation with me and I'm gonna need DAI to restore the feelings since ME3 came through and crushed the buildings.

[Travie]

Well, for DA2 almost everything that the critics said turned out to be true (even though I railed against it), and almost everything that the hype was about fell flat (even though I was looking forward to it more than any other game of the year).

So this time around I'll be doing the opposite, and not giving them my money until I've heard from other users that it lives up to what they are saying.

Last chance. If this one fails then bioware titles will be forever something I'll (maybe) pick up if I see it in an extreme 5$ sale or bargain bin.

[Fredvdp]

In this case I don't believe in last chances. If DA:I looks good, I'll buy it. If it doesn't, I won't buy it. The quality of BioWare's previous game will have no negative effect on my desire to buy future games.

[The_Huntress]

I am not on any kind of ultimatum kick. If I like the game, I will buy it.

I came back here looking for anything new about the game and maybe see what sort of style it will be. I'll be honest, I am finding more things that give me pause than encourgment.

But if it looks good when it's released I will try it. If not, I'll wait for the next world Bioware creates and give that one a chance. They seem to do better with new concepts anyway. Once a story world has been out a while ... I don't know. Maybe they take it too seriously? Jade Empire was a wonderful series and it did not need the paperbacks, comicbooks, day 1 DLC or "micro" transactions for random bonus packs. I think all thse things eat at the soul of the game. It appeals to the masses I guess but I prefer the story and the virtual worlds they create.

So it is not a last chance by any means. I am just waiting on the next story to begin.

[GeneralBacon339]

LOVED mass Effect series.... until the last 10 minutes of 3.....which ruined the entire franchise for me

Loved Dragon Age 2: Lack of Travel really hurt the game (and too many mundane things)

Also loved the Kotor Series....

i'm just holding out until bioware creates something else worth my time and attention..... and hoping they don't screw it up like in Mass Effect.....

[The Elder King]

I don't believe in last chances. If Bioware makes a game that will cater to my interests, I'll buy it, regardless if I had negative experiences with their past games.
I didn't enjoy DA2 and ME3 as the rest of their games (with the exception of NWN), though there were still part of those games that I enjoyed. Between the two games the worst feature (for me) was ME3 autodialogue, which I don't think it'll happen again in DAI, and the news we have so far about Inquisition are mostly good, so I think that I'll buy it, at the moment.

[Eternal Phoenix]

HiroVoid wrote...

Hilariously, NWN is praised like crazy now due to all the user-created content it allowed in the community.

I brought it long after its release and before playing Baldur's Gate and thought it was a solid RPG. The main campaign wasn't anything special in terms of story but the final expansion was absolutely amazing.

The persistant worlds, user-content and multiplayer just added to a great RPG if you ask me.

[Ianamus]

A lot of peoples problem is that they can't look at Dragon Age Inquisition objectively. When you look at it as a single title on its own, what we know about it and what has been revealed and so far it is shaping up to be, in my opinion at least, a very promising game. Previous Bioware games aside the demo shown would be a game that I was interested in, even if it was an individual title by a completely separate company.

Most people accept that previous titles aren't necessarily a reliable basis for the quality of future games. The majority of Bioware skeptics believe that Dragon Age 2 was a much lower quality than it's predecessor and those of Mass Effect 3 generally believe that the writing, particularly of the ending, was a much lower standard than what was seen previously.

But if you can accept that a good or great Bioware game can have a lack-luster or lower quality sequel then it should also be possible for a Bioware game to have a much better sequel.

A lot of people feel that they were wrong to blindly believe that Dragon Age 2 or Mass Effect 3 would be perfect because they liked Bioware and thought those games predecessors were good. But now many of those people are being blindly skeptical about Dragon Age Inquisition and believing it will not be as good as it appears due to what they perceive as the low quality of the previous games, and doing this is just as bad as blindly believing that games will be good because their predecessors were.

Modifié par EJ107, 07 novembre 2013 - 03:27 .

[AlanC9]

Elton John is dead wrote...
I brought it long after its release and before playing Baldur's Gate and thought it was a solid RPG. The main campaign wasn't anything special in terms of story but the final expansion was absolutely amazing.

The persistant worlds, user-content and multiplayer just added to a great RPG if you ask me.

Me too. I especially liked all the experimental approaches that different fan designers could take. No way something like the HeX coda gets made commercially.

Oddly enough, the original outline for the NWN OC sounds much better than what we got. Another case where a common criticism of ME3 turns out to be more true for NWN

[errant_knight]

To answer the OP, I was horrified when they abandoned the DA:O model, because I enjoyed every aspect of it as it was and thought I could look forward to a series made with that paradigm.So yeah, disappointed is far to mild a word to describe my reaction to DA2, but SWTOR got me back into the fold with its unheard of storytelling in an mmo. I've been playing it rather obsessively since beta. While DA:I could perhaps be described as a 'last chance' for the DA series for me, it's not a last chance for Bioware.

[Quyk Sylvyr]

Nope this won't be Bioware's last chance for me - I actually enjoyed DA2 and ME3 a lot. (Having said that, I'll be the first to admit DA2 had a couple glaring flaws and I hated the ending in ME3.)

As a female gamer, I definitely prefer the option to play a female protagonist with strong character interactions, and Bioware is one of the few companies which consistently delivers on those fronts.

[Dabrikishaw]

I'm not interested in any further Mass Effect games for reasons unrelated to the ending so there's that.

I will get Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic 1 and 2 in the future but I have no interest in games beyond them.

Due to being pure Nintendo for next gen(3DS+WiiU) it's very possible my final new Bioware game will be Dragon Age: Inquisition for PS3.

None of this is due to disappointment.

Modifié par Dabrikishaw, 07 novembre 2013 - 08:29 .

[mjb203]

Honestly, I didn't even plan on giving this game a chance after ME3 and DA2, but the MEHEM mod salvaged my ME3 experience and convinced me to give Bioware another shot. I will say, what I've seen so far, I like. Although I would offer the dev team a couple of suggestions (even if it is too late to take them into consideration). First, clean up as many loose ends as possible. I don't want to finish the game wondering what the heck it was that I found after the first act of the game. Yes, I know it's an idol, but of what? What does it do other than turn people crazy? Who made it? Even if it's just a tiny bit of insight, it'd go a long way. Second, don't pull another Meredith/Orsino situation. I always felt that the end of DA2 would've been better if one or the other would have been the final boss who was in possession of the idol (Meredith if you sided with mages, Orsino if you sided with Templars). This would've gotten rid of that awkward fight with O if you sided with mages, which I did my 1st play through and was wondering why the heck he did that.

[Heimdall]

I don't really do "Last Chances". If I like what I see, I'll go for it. I like what I see of Inquisition so far.

[zMataxa]

Imanol de Tafalla wrote...

Once they have a misstep, Angela Merkel and Vladimir Putin will receive angry letters from butthurt "fans" asking them to invade Poland again.

___________

My vote for pithiest comment of the day.
The truth about fickle fans revealed.

[JonathonPR]

It is the last chance for Dragon Age. What I see with the next Mass Effect combined with the new DA game will be the last chance for Bioware. Dragon Age has the benefit of having a good table top rpg so I can still have have fun in the setting regardless of what I might consider a mistake in the video games. Mass Effect does not have that benefit. I can homebrew but the setting in its current state does not interest me enough to play it over other established settings or settings of my own creation.

[Barquiel]

I liked DA2. Not as much as I liked Origins, but it was a decent enough game. And while I was upset about ME3's ending (and a few other things), I thought it was an enjoyable game. As for DA:I...it actually might be one of my most anticipated titles at the moment.

Ryzaki wrote...
Eh as a female gamer who's damned tired of playing male protagonists I'd take a writing quality hit to be able to play a female. Even in games I don't use the female option I'd rather take the hit and have the choice be available.
But I'm so damn tired of playing males in RPGs I'm at the point the game has to be godly for me to play it without gender selection. (I don't mind for any other genre though). Persona 3 Portable became so much better to me with the introduction of a female protag where's I'm "Meh it's good but not that good" to Persona 4. 

Same here!

Character customization is definitely a deal breaker for me when it comes to decide whether to buy a rpg or not.

Modifié par Barquiel, 08 novembre 2013 - 10:03 .

[wolfsite]

Imanol de Tafalla wrote...

Despite it's faults, I enjoyed ME3 immensely and am looking forward to DA:I.

Also, let's remember that CDPR became the cool new kids on the block in the RPG community with one title.

Once they have a misstep, Angela Merkel and Vladimir Putin will receive angry letters from butthurt "fans" asking them to invade Poland again.

Technically they have had a mistep. It's called the PC port of Saints Row 2.

[Darji]

Ok after I have seen a 30 minute presentation of the game I am a believer again. It looks great. The combat speed looks nice, tactical view, destruction, customization, no level scaling, big areas and even the the dialogue wheel looks great without any colors for your choices and also a nice description what he is going to say over the wheel. NO I just need to see the nightmare difficulty and the PC interface.

But overall I am pretty excited now and I can not believe I can say that again. great Job^^

[Sanunes]

Darji wrote...

Ok after I have seen a 30 minute presentation of the game I am a believer again. It looks great. The combat speed looks nice, tactical view, destruction, customization, no level scaling, big areas and even the the dialogue wheel looks great without any colors for your choices and also a nice description what he is going to say over the wheel. NO I just need to see the nightmare difficulty and the PC interface.

But overall I am pretty excited now and I can not believe I can say that again. great Job^^

Unlike past games I think the PC interface is going to be close to the same as the console version because they have said somewhere there will be controller support on the PC version.

As far as difficulty, I have never really had a problem with the difficulties in any BioWare game, except for I highly dislike being forced to have friendly fire damage on.

[Darji]

Sanunes wrote...

Darji wrote...

Ok after I have seen a 30 minute presentation of the game I am a believer again. It looks great. The combat speed looks nice, tactical view, destruction, customization, no level scaling, big areas and even the the dialogue wheel looks great without any colors for your choices and also a nice description what he is going to say over the wheel. NO I just need to see the nightmare difficulty and the PC interface.

But overall I am pretty excited now and I can not believe I can say that again. great Job^^

Unlike past games I think the PC interface is going to be close to the same as the console version because they have said somewhere there will be controller support on the PC version.

As far as difficulty, I have never really had a problem with the difficulties in any BioWare game, except for I highly dislike being forced to have friendly fire damage on.

Didn't they alredy say that there will be a special Mouse/keyboard interface? I am pretty sure I heard something about that. 

As for difficulty. On nightare friendly fire should be on in my opinion so it can be balanced around it as well.  I just want a challenging game. If its like Origins it will be ok but Da2 was way too easy or not even tactical. The only thing that were difficult were these spawns out of nowhere which even could spawn in your own party. That was not difficult or tactical that was just cheating.