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[Xilizhra]

In many ways, I feel DA2 did this in as many ways as TW2 did. Just with a gender selector and a facial generator.

Personal perspective and all that.

Being able to select gender means a hell of a lot to me.

[PrussianBlue]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

PrussianBlue wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

PrussianBlue wrote...

But may I ask if you liked the Witcher 2? Thought that was great, felt a bit like Dragon Age: Origins to me.

I do not play Witcher, as I prefer to have RPGs where I can design my own characters and am not stuck with someone unlikeable.

You didn´t like Geralt? Always thought he was pretty cool. But it´s understandable that some people do not like being forced to play a certain character in an RPG. Sometimes it really takes part of the feeling to be part of a world. 

Geralt's not the worst character by any means, but I'm never happy when the game tries to force me into certain characteristics.

In many ways, I feel DA2 did this in as many ways as TW2 did. Just with a gender selector and a facial generator. 

Personal perspective and all that. 

Just looking at the way the Character, in general, was behaving I have to agree with you. But I felt it was not perfectly defined WHO you were in DA2, even with the decisions you could make throughout the game.

[Mr.House]

Xilizhra wrote...

In many ways, I feel DA2 did this in as many ways as TW2 did. Just with a gender selector and a facial generator.

Personal perspective and all that.

Being able to select gender means a hell of a lot to me.

So screw writing because I can pretend to be a woman?

[Xilizhra]

Mr.House wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

In many ways, I feel DA2 did this in as many ways as TW2 did. Just with a gender selector and a facial generator.

Personal perspective and all that.

Being able to select gender means a hell of a lot to me.

So screw writing because I can pretend to be a woman?

Er, I am a woman, but aside from that, what did that have to do with anything? When did I say anything about writing quality being sacrificed? Why on Earth would it be sacrificed if you have the ability to select gender?

[Mr.House]

Xilizhra wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

In many ways, I feel DA2 did this in as many ways as TW2 did. Just with a gender selector and a facial generator.

Personal perspective and all that.

Being able to select gender means a hell of a lot to me.

So screw writing because I can pretend to be a woman?

Er, I am a woman, but aside from that, what did that have to do with anything? When did I say anything about writing quality being sacrificed? Why on Earth would it be sacrificed if you have the ability to select gender?

Because TW2 is vastly better then DA2 in terms of writing.

[The Flying Grey Warden]

Xilizhra wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

In many ways, I feel DA2 did this in as many ways as TW2 did. Just with a gender selector and a facial generator.

Personal perspective and all that.

Being able to select gender means a hell of a lot to me.

So screw writing because I can pretend to be a woman?

Er, I am a woman, but aside from that, what did that have to do with anything? When did I say anything about writing quality being sacrificed? Why on Earth would it be sacrificed if you have the ability to select gender?

Because there is something less genuine about unisex writing, and having to make everything about the character be viable for both a male and female lead simultaneously. It's just a basic sacrifice that takes place, if you want to appeal to both, you have to shave off things that might only appeal to one without appealing to the other, in order to be fair.

Not that it is neccisarily bad, but it is a sacrifice.

[AresKeith]

Xilizhra wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

In many ways, I feel DA2 did this in as many ways as TW2 did. Just with a gender selector and a facial generator.

Personal perspective and all that.

Being able to select gender means a hell of a lot to me.

So screw writing because I can pretend to be a woman?

Er, I am a woman, but aside from that, what did that have to do with anything? When did I say anything about writing quality being sacrificed? Why on Earth would it be sacrificed if you have the ability to select gender?

It shouldn't be sacrificed, but if I had to choose

Writing quality > Gender selection 

[Fast Jimmy]

Xilizhra wrote...

In many ways, I feel DA2 did this in as many ways as TW2 did. Just with a gender selector and a facial generator.

Personal perspective and all that.

Being able to select gender means a hell of a lot to me.

Undertsandable. But I see it is a vanity, cosmetic change. Like playing a Volus in ME3 MP - no change to anything about the game. Arguably, there is more change playing a Volus in a MP Horde mode with different skills, weapons and attacks, then there is in being a female in DA2, with the same dialogue just with a different voice and animations. 

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 05 novembre 2013 - 10:46 .

[Xilizhra]

Mr.House wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

In many ways, I feel DA2 did this in as many ways as TW2 did. Just with a gender selector and a facial generator.

Personal perspective and all that.

Being able to select gender means a hell of a lot to me.

So screw writing because I can pretend to be a woman?

Er, I am a woman, but aside from that, what did that have to do with anything? When did I say anything about writing quality being sacrificed? Why on Earth would it be sacrificed if you have the ability to select gender?

Because TW2 is vastly better then DA2 in terms of writing.

Perhaps it is. But I find it much harder to appreciate it if I can't empathize with my character enough; it's constant immersion breaking.

Undertsandable. But I see it is a vanity, cosmetic change. Like playing a
Volus in ME3 MP - no change to anything about the game. Arguably, here
is more change playing a Volus in a Horde mode, wih different skills,
weapons and attacks, then there is in being a female in DA2, with the
same dialogue just with a different voice and animations.

You could say that. Various elements will be more important to some than to others.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 05 novembre 2013 - 10:46 .

[Nohvarr]

I don't understand the desire to declare something like 'This is your last chance <insert game developer>'. With me, each new game is a chance for the developer to impress me. For example, I haven't enjoyed the Final Fantasy 13 series of games yet I am interested in Final Fantasy 15, with Capcom the only game from them I bought within the last five years was Dragons Dogma. The next eight Bioware games could be utter trash that I never buy but the moment they produce a good one I'd buy it.

edit:

Because TW2 is vastly better then DA2 in terms of writing

It annoyed me because I couldn't create a character for that world. I was just stepping into the boots of a pre-generated epic hero who had 3 books of backstory detailing his adventures and impact on the world. It would be liked playing Drizzt Do'Urden in a ADnD game.

Aside from that, I did not like any of the characters in TW 2 and by thunder I tried to like them.

Modifié par Nohvarr, 05 novembre 2013 - 10:53 .

[PrussianBlue]

Xilizhra wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

In many ways, I feel DA2 did this in as many ways as TW2 did. Just with a gender selector and a facial generator.

Personal perspective and all that.

Being able to select gender means a hell of a lot to me.

So screw writing because I can pretend to be a woman?

Er, I am a woman, but aside from that, what did that have to do with anything? When did I say anything about writing quality being sacrificed? Why on Earth would it be sacrificed if you have the ability to select gender?

Maybe because other vital characters do not fit into the game perfectly when you are a Man instead of a Woman or the other way around? I always thought that Dragon Age: Origins worked better with a male instead of a female Character, because the relationship with Morrigan made more sense to me and I felt like Alistair was not the Character i could imagine having a romance with (as a Woman).

I think that worked better in Mass Effect, because you had so many choices in the end with who you could be and how people reacted towards you. By the way? I have yet to play Mass Effect 3 as a female, what does Anderson say to you if you play a female Shep? You did good son seems to not fit right there ?

[froot of the loom]

I for one loved mass effect 3 I loved what they did with the extended cut, I hated it originally before they relased the EC like everyone did but now I love the endings, DA 2's reused environments made me dislike it even though I enjoyed the gameplay. I just watched the PAX presentation on YouTube and this game looks insane everything I could ever want from a DA game, it really up to you dude watch the videos and decide if you want it or not

[Mr.House]

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

In many ways, I feel DA2 did this in as many ways as TW2 did. Just with a gender selector and a facial generator.

Personal perspective and all that.

Being able to select gender means a hell of a lot to me.

So screw writing because I can pretend to be a woman?

Er, I am a woman, but aside from that, what did that have to do with anything? When did I say anything about writing quality being sacrificed? Why on Earth would it be sacrificed if you have the ability to select gender?

Because there is something less genuine about unisex writing, and having to make everything about the character be viable for both a male and female lead simultaneously. It's just a basic sacrifice that takes place, if you want to appeal to both, you have to shave off things that might only appeal to one without appealing to the other, in order to be fair.

Not that it is neccisarily bad, but it is a sacrifice.

To be fair, P3P did an amazing job with making the female MC way diffrent then the male MC, the only thingt hey shared was the same background but both had diffrent base personalty, fighting styles ect. It' possible, it just takes more work.

[Xilizhra]

I think that worked better in Mass Effect, because you had so many choices in the end with who you could be and how people reacted towards you. By the way? I have yet to play Mass Effect 3 as a female, what does Anderson say to you if you play a female Shep? You did good son seems to not fit right there

It's "You did good, child."

[PrussianBlue]

Nohvarr wrote...

I don't understand the desire to declare something like 'This is your last chance <insert game developer>'. With me, each new game is a chance for the developer to impress me. For example, I haven't enjoyed the Final Fantasy 13 series of games yet I am interested in Final Fantasy 15, with Capcom the only game from them I bought within the last five years was Dragons Dogma. The next eight Bioware games could be utter trash that I never buy but the moment they produce a good one I'd buy it.

Let me explain. It´s pretty simple actually.

Of course I´ll buy a good game if they make one, but for the last years, every Bioware game was a certain buy for me. I did not even inform myself about the games, I just bought them because I KNEW they would be quality games.

Now I do not feel like that anymore. And that is basically what this thread if about, maybe it came around differently in my first post. Sorry then.

[Estelindis]

Xilizhra wrote...

Perhaps it is. But I find it much harder to appreciate it if I can't empathize with my character enough; it's constant immersion breaking.

I don't understand why a different gender would make it so hard to empathize with your character.  I mean, presumably, you're not saying that you find it impossible to empathize with men generally, in life?  However, what it really comes down to is this:

Xilizhra wrote...

Various elements will be more important to some than to others.

And everyone is entitled to those preferences.

[Fast Jimmy]

I think that worked better in Mass Effect, because you had so many choices in the end with who you could be and how people reacted towards you. By the way? I have yet to play Mass Effect 3 as a female, what does Anderson say to you if you play a female Shep? You did good son seems to not fit right there ?

Does he not say "we'll bang, okay?"

I keed, I keed...

[AresKeith]

Xilizhra wrote...

I think that worked better in Mass Effect, because you had so many choices in the end with who you could be and how people reacted towards you. By the way? I have yet to play Mass Effect 3 as a female, what does Anderson say to you if you play a female Shep? You did good son seems to not fit right there

It's "You did good, child."

Which sounds stupid really

[PrussianBlue]

Xilizhra wrote...

I think that worked better in Mass Effect, because you had so many choices in the end with who you could be and how people reacted towards you. By the way? I have yet to play Mass Effect 3 as a female, what does Anderson say to you if you play a female Shep? You did good son seems to not fit right there

It's "You did good, child."

God. Thats pretty crappy. Couldn´t they have at least worked around it and let Anderson say something like Shep was always like a daughter to him? Child is not terrible, but a little more work on that.

[dreamgazer]

"You did good, Shep".

Abbreviated, sign of endearment, gender neutral.

[Xilizhra]

I don't understand why a different gender would make it so hard to empathize with your character. I mean, presumably, you're not saying that you find it impossible to empathize with men generally, in life? However, what it really comes down to is this:

It's very specifically an RPG issue for me. I can play other games with male protagonists; I've even tried out God of War (which I found a rather empty experience, but for other reasons). When I'm just watching a character who's clearly not mine, it's all good, but I find it more problematic when you're allegedly making a character and yet are forbidden from making so many choices about them.

[PrussianBlue]

dreamgazer wrote...

"You did good, Shep".

Abbreviated, sign of endearment, gender neutral.

That is actually a really good Idea, does not feel as personal though. Not the "Child" (I know lol)/Parent relationship).

Modifié par PrussianBlue, 05 novembre 2013 - 10:53 .

[Wulfram]

I like Bioware games. I liked DA2, even if I probably wouldn't say it was good. So, no this isn't their last chance. Though I might start cutting the price I'm prepared to pay if it wasn't very good.

[The Flying Grey Warden]

Mr.House wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

In many ways, I feel DA2 did this in as many ways as TW2 did. Just with a gender selector and a facial generator.

Personal perspective and all that.

Being able to select gender means a hell of a lot to me.

So screw writing because I can pretend to be a woman?

Er, I am a woman, but aside from that, what did that have to do with anything? When did I say anything about writing quality being sacrificed? Why on Earth would it be sacrificed if you have the ability to select gender?

Because there is something less genuine about unisex writing, and having to make everything about the character be viable for both a male and female lead simultaneously. It's just a basic sacrifice that takes place, if you want to appeal to both, you have to shave off things that might only appeal to one without appealing to the other, in order to be fair.

Not that it is neccisarily bad, but it is a sacrifice.

To be fair, P3P did an amazing job with making the female MC way diffrent then the male MC, the only thingt hey shared was the same background but both had diffrent base personalty, fighting styles ect. It' possible, it just takes more work.

Granted, that is true. I just assume that cost isn't something many companies are interested in taking.

[Estelindis]

Xilizhra wrote...

It's very specifically an RPG issue for me. I can play other games with male protagonists; I've even tried out God of War (which I found a rather empty experience, but for other reasons). When I'm just watching a character who's clearly not mine, it's all good, but I find it more problematic when you're allegedly making a character and yet are forbidden from making so many choices about them.

As I said, you are entitled to your preferences - and I maintain that.  But what confuses me is that gender should be such a huge issue that it would prevent you from connecting with the character you're roleplaying, even if that character had a huge number of things in common with you at the level of personality.